TWG XL Postgame

[Kilgamayan]

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Also, DBP is a ****ing idiot unless I really wasn't seered as human. That's all I have to say.

You were seered Night 2, if I remember right. Afro was Night 3.

EDIT:

I was set up perfectly to win this game. Unfortunately I couldn't pull off reasonable suspicion on anyone that wasn't a wolf long enough to get to a point where I could force the win.

Dude, you could've just gone to me the night you killed me and asked me to help you because you knew I had zero chance of winning once mead died and you had to know I knew it too. Instead of that you played the "I know you're green that was just a test" game with me and got my hopes up just enough that I didn't just go to you instead.

EDIT 2: Also, I suppose I'm permanently screwed after this game because there's very little, if anything, that I can still say I wouldn't do as a wolf. >_>

[Afrobean]

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No the humans did not stand a chance (in this particular game) without his help.

May I repeat: The SK hurt us more than helped. He killed one of our blues, the most important one. Further more, he killed multiple humans and only one wolf, of which would have surely been lynched eventually in a normal game anyway.

The only way that humans "didn't stand a chance" was because the SK was taking out 2x as many humans most nights.

with complete disregard to his own well-being.

Am I really the only one who feels that if the last two wolves weren't killed in that way that SK could have still won?

How are we supposed to compete with that?

You guys weren't very far from winning either. Stop complaining.

nija doing what he did completely ruined the fairness of the game

No... the fairness was out the window the minute Observer chose the numbers. If the SK had functioned as he was supposed to have, it is highly unlikely that humans would have stood a chance at all. Go back and see other games with 2 wolf teams; they all have much more humans than this game did. I propose that any new-ish games that aren't classic in nature should be ran by someone specifically, rather than simply posted (I know I sure as hell didn't read anything about it... I assumed it would be fair without checking it out).

... in reading on into the thread...

I move that Observer be banned from hosting. As if unfair numbers wasn't enough, this letting stoic in despite him knowing things, then also telling nija stoic's role. What the hell. Oh and that "SK can't not kill" is bogus as well. What would have happened if he hadn't sent in a PM? Random kill? Stupid.

@nforcer: DBP values gut over statistics. He tried to lynch me after being seer'd human. Here's an idea for future games: players should be disallowed from voting for someone who they believe to be seer'd green. It is ****ing stupid in almost every single instance to try to lynch someone who has been seer'd human.

@kilga: I thought you played the game very well. I would have gone on thinking you were human if Mead hadn't called you out as red then turned up red himself. Really, there was nothing prior to that day that could have been used to justify a vote on you. No one could really answer the question "why is Kilga a wolf?" That should be enough to satisfy you, if only a little. I know it sucks playing a good wolf game but then being lynched without any fault of your own, but it happens.

[sertman]

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@nforcer: DBP values gut over statistics. He tried to lynch me after being seer'd human. Here's an idea for future games: players should be disallowed from voting for someone who they believe to be seer'd green. It is ****ing stupid in almost every single instance to try to lynch someone who has been seer'd human.

yeah that's work REAL well in games with a master wolf, such as this one

[Afrobean]

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yeah that's work REAL well in games with a master wolf, such as this one

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DBP values gut over statistics. He tried to lynch me after being seer'd human. Here's an idea for future games: players should be disallowed from voting for someone who they believe to be seer'd green. It is ****ing stupid in almost every single instance to try to lynch someone who has been seer'd human.

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It is ****ing stupid in almost every single instance to try to lynch someone who has been seer'd human.

It is ****ing stupid in almost every single instance

almost

Yes, there are obvious situations in which it is an ok idea to lynch someone who has been seer'd green. However, when the player has no specific thing against him such as being caught in an obvious lie or a faked conversation, it is unreasonable to lynch them that early in the game.

Please tell me that I'm not the only one who can see this.

EDIT: I'm really getting tired of saying this over and over. Are so many of you really so dense?

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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@nforcer: DBP values gut over statistics. He tried to lynch me after being seer'd human. Here's an idea for future games: players should be disallowed from voting for someone who they believe to be seer'd green. It is ****ing stupid in almost every single instance to try to lynch someone who has been seer'd human.

I've already explained to EACH of you why I voted you respectively.

Afro, we talked about it on aim and you almost fucking agreed with me, don't act like a hardass on the thread.

Nforcer, you were totally set up, I'm fucking sorry.

In case no one knows, Kilga AND Rioting both told me to have nforcer seered, at which point I believed both of them to be wolf.

WHICH WAS RIGHT

God I'm glad I can edit now.

Also, nforcer, your level of cool was effectively cut in half when you immediately flipped the fuck out and started swearing instead of asking a single question. Did we JUST talk about being good sports and stuff on aim? C'mon, I know you're better than that.

[Kilgamayan]

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In case no one knows, Kilga AND Rioting both told me to have nforcer seered, at which point I believed both of them to be wolf.

What the hell does that have to do with anything? We weren't the only two people who found him suspicious.

[Kilgamayan]

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You guys weren't very far from winning either. Stop complaining.

Why do all these greens think we had every shot of winning this game? We had no chance before Day 3 was done and were completely eradicated with two vote sessions still to go. If you consider 0% chance close to 100% chance, then yeah, we weren't very far from winning.

Also, to shut people up about how the SK hurt more than he helped, he killed two unseered wolves in five nights. Combine that with sertman getting seered on Day 1, that's three wolf deaths, making it mathematically impossible for them to win. How was the loss of three humans not worth that?

[nforcer06164]

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I know, I'm just kind of upset that my first game back turned out to be a total load of crap. I'm sorry. I think I just need to get my head back together on this whole thing. I'm not really as mad as I made myself out to be; I wasn't having a particularly good time during my lab shift today when I composed that post. Sorry, DBP.

[Afrobean]

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Also, to shut people up about how the SK hurt more than he helped, he killed two unseered wolves in five nights. Combine that with sertman getting seered on Day 1, that's three wolf deaths, making it mathematically impossible for them to win. How was the loss of three humans not worth that?

uh

what

we lynched sert, SK killed rioting, we lynched mead, SK killed kilga.

Had SK not existed this game, we almost certainly would have lynched you (kilga) the day after mead. Like I said before, the only X factor is if we would have gotten rioting without the SK's help, and I feel that with the extra days we would have gained from the SK not killing every night, combined with him not killing our blue, we almost certainly would have picked off rioting by the end.

As for the two unseer'd wolf thing: that wouldn't stop us from lynching you, Kilga, and I'm sure it wouldn't stop us from lynching rioting when it would come down to it.

And if this stuff with mead and kilga hadn't played out as it had, it easily could have been a wolf win.

things

Stop and think for a minute. You basically said you thought he was a wolf after his seering came back green because he flipped out. Caring about the game does not make a person a wolf. I believe you used the same justification in your thinking that I was a wolf despite my seering as well. Clearly, we're not the ones who are wrong here. You need to change how you identify wolves, because obviously, "flipping out" is not a sign of a wolf. It's only a sign of anger, anger which could easily be coming from a human who is mad that they're about to be lynched over bull**** when they've been seer'd green and as such shouldn't be lynched yet.

Oh. I just realized haha. It's circular logic. We were mad because we were going to be lynched as seer'd humans and it was us getting mad that made you think we were wolves even though we were seer'd human.

[StoicRoivaS]

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Ok, time to answer some questions (hopefully this will clear it up a bit):

I was set up perfectly to win this game. Unfortunately I couldn't pull off reasonable suspicion on anyone that wasn't a wolf long enough to get to a point where I could force the win.

Trust me, in the beginning I was playing to win. DBP had to be green and would understand the value of my help early on, so I went to him. No, sorry stoic, I was not being honorable. No, sorry wolves, I was not going for a human win.

Toward the end I was going to launch my massive angry tirade on one of the replacements and then kill a wolf at night, meaning we'd have to 'find' the other wolf in the day time, hopefully overshadowing the danger I possessed for the next night and the win I would get the next day (1h dies, so 1h v 1sk = win condition).

Point is my goal was to deceive, not to balance. The plan went to high heaven when stoic came in though, because it limited the number of players I could cast suspicion on.
gg

Do say it was all in jest, lest you lose your honor.

[Kilgamayan]

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meaningless stuff that's easy to say because it didn't actually happen BUT SPECULATION TELLS US THAT IT COULD HAVE

lol

[talisman]

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y'all need to chill out with the ego. game's over... relax...

[DarkManticoreX2]

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Alright I'm new to TWG, but isn't it possible with the type of game nija was trying to play, he screwed up thinking Kilga was green because Kilga played it so well?

You said it yourself Kilga

Instead of that you played the "I know you're green that was just a test" game with me and got my hopes up just enough that I didn't just go to you instead.

His only chance was to kill a green the night he went for you. Because you sold yourself as a green to nija so well he went to SK you so he could (possibly) come out the winner.

[JurseyRider734]

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I need to talk to the people in TWC sometime soon. Maybe we could get a group chat going sometime...like maybe tomorrow.

[Wilkin]

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Perhaps a new panel of TWC members should be elected, as only two of them (Kilga and Guido) are active anymore, and even Guido hasn't been involved a lot recently.

Thoughts?