TWG XL Postgame

[FoJaR]

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i dont really support nija's decision, because you gotta be in it to win.

although, he could have pulled off a win by not killing kilga at night.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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We would have still voted him the next day.

[FoJaR]

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kilga might not have

then you'd have a kitb, with a possible nija victory.

[FoJaR]

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well kilga probably would have, but whatever

[Kilgamayan]

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That's no guarantee since there would've been four people left. nija could've voted with me to induce a KitB.

In retrospect, killing Stoic was dumb because FFR actually did have a phantom from Day 1 that no one noticed because Observer didn't point it out. If I had been thinking I would've gone to nija and told him to kill you where I would've killed Afro, at which point we vote Stoic off and then I commit harakiri for him while Z3ratul looks on helplessly.

Hindsight is 20/20.

[StoicRoivaS]

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Clearly the most direct goal of a competition of any form is to succeed, but if I'm given the choice to either win or have fun, I'd rather have fun. Anytime, anywhere. Maybe this is where we differ.

[JurseyRider734]

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It might have been helpful to nija if, you know, Stoic didn't ALREADY KNOW HE WAS THE SK BEFORE ENTERING THE GAME.

Nija told me he did, and I asked Observer, and he said that Stoic wasn't "sure, just a suspicion", but it was also obvious that Stoic knew DBP was a human, and DBP knew nija was the SK...so if you put two and two together...
Also, DBP wouldn't have a reason to lie to his own brother if Stoic wasn't even playing. Very, very poor judgement on Observer and Stoic's parts. Replacements aren't allowed to have outside knowledge of the roles before entering the game. Complete bull****.

Oh, and I thought it was funny how aperson was wrong on almost all accusations of the SK and wolf kills. He had them completely backwards, and tried to support it with uh...math? I thought that was hilarious.

I highly recommend creating jTWG again.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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Man, I'll never forgot how good it was without you around.

(You know I'm just kidding)

[sertman]

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Kilga's pretty much articulated the points I wanted to make very well already, so I won't bother responding to stoic's crap

[jwcgator]

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Lol rioting, why did you say I had a PM? I don't think I even talked to you that much and I wouldn't be stupid enough to say I got a PM if the only people that got PM's were Reds and blues.

[nijatwo]

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Ok, time to answer some questions (hopefully this will clear it up a bit):

stuff

She's exactly right. I don't care if you don't give a flying **** what she says. When stoic was allowed to come into the game I was about ready to quit right there. I even sent observer in as my night kill once and I was serious about it.

When I killed talisman I was pretty sure he was either red or blue. Definately not a green. Both situations helped me. Were he red, I kept the balance I needed to stay alive until the end, were he blue I had a plan to come out and run the show so I could still win the game. Unfortunately for me, stoic comes in knowing I'm the sk, and observer says he would only bring him in as green since he knew stuff. Who gives a **** WHAT he knows, the point is he KNEW, and observer should never have let him in. At that point I was positive that rioting, hans, and kilga were the wolves (and I shared this with a few people that early, they can back me up) and I was going to be the only confirmed role after kagome died.

I was set up perfectly to win this game. Unfortunately I couldn't pull off reasonable suspicion on anyone that wasn't a wolf long enough to get to a point where I could force the win.

Trust me, in the beginning I was playing to win. DBP had to be green and would understand the value of my help early on, so I went to him. No, sorry stoic, I was not being honorable. No, sorry wolves, I was not going for a human win.

Toward the end I was going to launch my massive angry tirade on one of the replacements and then kill a wolf at night, meaning we'd have to 'find' the other wolf in the day time, hopefully overshadowing the danger I possessed for the next night and the win I would get the next day (1h dies, so 1h v 1sk = win condition).

Point is my goal was to deceive, not to balance. The plan went to high heaven when stoic came in though, because it limited the number of players I could cast suspicion on.
gg

Also: Irl rule on wilkin knowing hans had a pm? Oh, and jwc, I told a few people you'd told me 12 hours before the game started you had a pm. Might have come through the grape vine

[iggymatrixcounter]

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That's no guarantee since there would've been four people left. nija could've voted with me to induce a KitB.

In retrospect, killing Stoic was dumb because FFR actually did have a phantom from Day 1 that no one noticed because Observer didn't point it out.

I noticed. If you haven't learned that phantoms essentially win games for wolves then that's your own fault.

Should have talked with rioting on this because I thought he was the Sk and even told him to kill off people with phantoms because they would be a risk on day5. (Or whatever day would have had 4 people alive) And the wolves would use them to win the game. So he should have known better than to agree to wolf fojar or FFR.

Just because the host doesn't post phantoms, doesn't mean that it's entirely his fault. Yea it would be nice if the host did all the numbers for the game so everyone could think more objectively but IMO the host is not responsible for posting anything except rule clarifications and who has died. (Maybe a story XD)

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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Ok, time to answer some questions (hopefully this will clear it up a bit):

She's exactly right. I don't care if you don't give a flying **** what she says. When stoic was allowed to come into the game I was about ready to quit right there. I even sent observer in as my night kill once and I was serious about it.

When I killed talisman I was pretty sure he was either red or blue. Definately not a green. Both situations helped me. Were he red, I kept the balance I needed to stay alive until the end, were he blue I had a plan to come out and run the show so I could still win the game. Unfortunately for me, stoic comes in knowing I'm the sk, and observer says he would only bring him in as green since he knew stuff. Who gives a **** WHAT he knows, the point is he KNEW, and observer should never have let him in. At that point I was positive that rioting, hans, and kilga were the wolves (and I shared this with a few people that early, they can back me up) and I was going to be the only confirmed role after kagome died.

I was set up perfectly to win this game. Unfortunately I couldn't pull off reasonable suspicion on anyone that wasn't a wolf long enough to get to a point where I could force the win.

Trust me, in the beginning I was playing to win. DBP had to be green and would understand the value of my help early on, so I went to him. No, sorry stoic, I was not being honorable. No, sorry wolves, I was not going for a human win.

Toward the end I was going to launch my massive angry tirade on one of the replacements and then kill a wolf at night, meaning we'd have to 'find' the other wolf in the day time, hopefully overshadowing the danger I possessed for the next night and the win I would get the next day (1h dies, so 1h v 1sk = win condition).

Point is my goal was to deceive, not to balance. The plan went to high heaven when stoic came in though, because it limited the number of players I could cast suspicion on.
gg

Also: Irl rule on wilkin knowing hans had a pm? Oh, and jwc, I told a few people you'd told me 12 hours before the game started you had a pm. Might have come through the grape vine

Haha, I knew it. You totally should have told me when game ended.

Also, I would have worshiped you forever if you played me like that and won.

Actually, I will anyways.

I highly recommend creating jTWG again.

You can be in charge of making sure there's enough people to play.

[Wilkin]

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Iggy's post on page 1 about the SK: You're right, that's more understandable, since you were pretty much out in the open anyway. Perhaps the next kind of game with a SK could be two on the team with one kill per night? Although that does pretty much just make it a smaller wolf team.

Hans and the PM issue: The funny thing is, that was the only time I was actually in contact with him in person throughout the entire game, save a couple of times for poker. This is also why I'm a strong proponent of sending PMs to humans. As I was on Hans' laptop, I even told Jurs something along the lines of "OH NO OPENING PM HOPE I'M NOT A WOLF," before I had even checked the game thread to see that only special roles got a PM. Even if I was on my own computer, I would've said the same thing to Hans. I just figure it's safer to send PMs to everyone in general, as I tend to have a habit of TYPING IN CAPS THE FOREBODING MESSAGE MY PM BOX MAY CONTAIN.

[nforcer06164]

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This game was absolute ****. I have to say, even with all the early-ending games, this is the worst TWG I have ever played in. In fact, when all you guys switched over to me for no reason whatsoever, I didn't really care. I was glad to get out of this god-forsaken game.

Also, DBP is a ****ing idiot unless I really wasn't seered as human. That's all I have to say. I don't think I'll play again unless we re-create jTWG again. Oh, and I'm very well-inclined to withdraw a future signup if aperson gets in again. He reminds me of Tass's early behavior that made us ban him so we could play without his asinine "I AM GOD" behavior.

Guess what, AP? You were wrong all game. So learn to shut your ****ing mouth once in a while and take some time to consider other people's opinions, jackass.