TWG XIV - Michigan Meetup - Day 6 - HUMAN VICTORY

[Kefit]

People seem to be assuming that Tass is going to do all their work for them, and that they don't need to do a damn thing in order for the humans to win this game.

The problem with this is that it provides too easy of an excuse for the wolves to just sit back and do nothing too. If they feel no obligation to contribute, then they won't attempt to do so, and the possibility of garnering a lead from a wolf screw-up is eliminated. Thus, while I usually hate looking at those who are inactive, I think it is warrented this game.

So far I have seen three people use this excuse for inactivity that rub me the wrong way, particularly since they usually contribute quite a bit - Alain, Blah, and Guido. Alain's recent post alleviates my concerns towards him, and I get the feeling that blah would relish his position as a wolf and be trying to manipulate us in someway or another. This leaves Guido, who according to Tass has been just as inactive on aim as he has been in this thread.

[flux_]

jenova expressed what he and I do nicely; just because I don't post a lot doesn't me I'm not watching, it simply means I have nothing positive to contribute to the game at that time. I come into chats and stay when there's talk of TWG actually going on.

I vote for alain

Alain claims that whorli is making an attempt to look too human. Basically what alain pointed out was that with a 99% chance that Tass is a human, we don't need to waste a see on him and congratulating the guardian for a successful job. Those both made sense and I'm sure he wanted to point out to the seer that he could most likely trust Tass, which may not be realised by a newer player.
There was nothing about whorli that made what he said more suspicious than what anyone else said. Kilga and Mead both make comments pressing humanity right after the night. Why not attack them?

Next the voting for Qreepy thing, which whorli kind of pointed out, but I'd like to add that many people here are throwing out avoiding-phantoms votes. Why attack just one person? Possibly another point to add to your accusation to make it look more solid?

Finally you say that he is changing his opinions to be on the good side...I looked through the thread, and I can't find any places where that happened. Did i miss something in the chat? Could you post it? In fact, he defends his opinion about seeing Tass once. Looks like one more thing to beef up your argument.

To me, it seems alain just randomly picked someone and either exagerated things, took them out of context, or made it up. Seems like something a wolf would do.

[whorlichan]

(flux, no offense...but I'm a girl.)

[Tasselfoot]

Just got home guys. If you wanna talk TWG, we got a little under 2 hours to do it. I'm available to chat.

I don't have enough time to do a big analysis on the voting/accusations, but fear not, I'll have one before day 3 starts. (I like having 2 days worth of voting data to use).

Another note to clarify: I have not confirmed or denied reports as to whether I know the seer, guardian, or psychic. I may know 0, 1, 2, or 3 of them. If I know 1 or more, then only those who are also involved know. Anyone who is on the outside will remain on the outside concerning this information. The less the wolves know, the better. So, again, NO ONE outside of my "circle" knows who, if anyone, has contacted me.

[Tasselfoot]

Aight.... the way things are going, nforcer is screwed. I do not in any way know if this is the correct or incorrect move, BUT...

my vote is going to blah. i know he's been doing similar things as he usually does, but i've been getting this terrible vibe from him, even on night 1, that something was different. he just hasn't backed down on me at all in trying to find out information, has been seriously discussing the possibility that i'm a wolf... and, from anyone but blah, I'd imagine they are insane, but with blah, I have to look deeper. Why would he do it? makes me really think he is human. OK, but to go a step further, blah would figure that I would assume that he was being a desperate human trying to get in the inner circle. so he does that to take suspicion off him from me, while still getting some from others.

Combine that with the fact that I think nforcer is human... although I'm not sure. I feel that he's had a problem before with saying stupid things on day 1 and getting killed for it, while being human. So, blah buddy... speak to me. maybe you have something to say in your defense.

Also, if blah gets lynched, that is ok, but I don't want everyone to bandwagon onto my vote. I do think nforcer isn't a wolf, so I'd rather not lynch him today, but, if you don't feel blah is worthy of a vote, then don't vote him.

[Tasselfoot]

nforcer: 3 (chardish, mead, Qreepy)
Gamepro: 2 (nforcer, gamepro)
Qreepy: 1 (whorli)
Flux: 1 (talisman)
whorli: 1 (alain)
blah: 2 (Kilga, Tass)
Guido: 1 (Kefit)
Alain: 1 (flux)

Still to vote: blah, Guido, Hans, Jenova (4)

[mead1]

You know, after a chat with nforcer, I am feeling a bit more confident of his humanity. However, my vote now turns to alain. flux made some very good points on him. He has really shoddy reasoning for voting whorli. On most anyone else, this would be acceptable, but I've seen alain in previous games, and he is acting a bit differently. He has never seemed to be one to home in on just one, normally he takes the liberty of shooting down every theory that has been thrown out, and casting suspicion on several people, but this time he just made one, rather weak, case. This speaks to me as being totally unlike him. So with that, my vote is cast.

[lightdarkness]

1 hour.

nforcer: 2 (chardish, Qreepy)
Gamepro: 2 (nforcer, Gamepro)
Alain: 2 (flux, mead1)
blah: 2 (Kilga, Tass)
Qreepy: 1 (whorli)
Flux: 1 (talisman)
whorli: 1 (alain)
Guido: 1 (Kefit)


Still to vote: blah, Guido, Hans, Jenova

We be using Eastern time, NOT FFR time.

[talisman]

Alright... it doesn't seem like anything major has developed since last night. I'm still leery of nforcer's early behavior, but I don't really know if that's enough to lynch a person. Although, to be fair, it seems the only votes people have given are because of behavioral observations. Whatever.

I don't have time to sift through the alain/whorli thing because I have to go to dinner right now. I think I'll leave my vote as it is, because I really don't have any firm feelings about either blah or alain or nforcer, so whatever happens happens, and I of course don't want a phantom, and I don't think flux is in any danger here.

[HansSky]

Sorry, I just woke up, and don't have almost no time. I'm going to stick with my original thoughs and vote nforcer.

[Tasselfoot]

Blah, Guido, Jenova... why have you not voted?

[alainbryden]

To defend my position, mead, I have a hard time believing that you found good points in flux's post when I found it so incoherent and difficult to understand, let alone justify. Perhaps my attack on whorli pushed evidence further than its worth, but I was pursuing and overall negative feeling towards whorlichans response to tass' position of power thus far in the game. I don't safe chat logs, so I can't gather quotes from which I put together my feeling that she was being complacent in general. I was in chat with her at a time you guys weren't, and you would have missed something that I saw that formed my opinion.

Now flux, that is my defence for my vote, but you have shown hypocricy in your post. You were going after me for attacking one person out of many who made comment of comparable questionability, even though I had a reason for the specific comment I was attacking. You then noted on the overall shabby reasoning of other people. So you are critisizing my attack of one person who you say has made comments comperable to many others, yet you are attacking my reasoning, which you determine to be inconsistent, despite acknowleging all round inconsistent reasoning by others. Hypocricy noted I hope.

Finally flux, there are people more active then me, but then you are less active than I, and you cannot base your vote because I observed on something you weren't around to see. So don't.

[Rebirth0]

I can see why Guido hasn't, he can't be in the chats but he can still go off what has been posted. Jenova and blah I don't know. Day ends about now?

[nforcer06164]

Ever since blah made his post about waiting to see how things developed, I've been a bit suspicious. Since then, he's been lurking in the shadows, making a presence on AIM (though I haven't talked to him) but steering clear of the thread. Why doesn't he make his suspicions of Tass's humanity more clear? It doesn't sit with me right, and is grounds enough to change my vote.

[lightdarkness]

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