TWG XIV - Michigan Meetup - Day 6 - HUMAN VICTORY

[Kilgamayan]

So much for Kefit getting to experience the "interesting side effect". >_>

[Tasselfoot]

The only people who have been online since the end of day 3:

Talisman
Kilga
Guido
Flux
Alain

At least 1, if not 2, have to be wolves. All for now. Will let y'all know when I get word from the psychic.


EDIT: Others in the game left:

Tass
Mead
Gamepro
Whorli
Jenova

[talisman]

Guess we'll have to see what revelations tass brings...

I can't tell if the wolves (wolf?) are just killing the best players or are actually trying to shoot at the blues.

EDIT: tass brought those revelations while I was typing. =/

[talisman]

Is this from monitoring aim or ffr? Because someone could have easily just not been on aim.

From the looks of that list though, I'd say flux stands out. Either him or alain.

[Tasselfoot]

Its from AIM... hmm. Mead should be on that list too.... he logged off, but was definately online right at the right time. So, add mead.

This isn't helping much... 6/10 were online during the timeframe.

[QreepyBORIS]

Omg dave got headshot!!~



This is actually at a really handy time, since I am having tons of homework this week, then a track meet or two. Phew.

[Tasselfoot]

My overwhelming vote goes to Guido


This was something he accidentially C&Ped to me at the beginning of our convo that makes no sense:

Ares113: mastr414: but i don't think you guys would try to be soo dick to me
mastr414: and have that little faith and respect in me
TasselFoot: whats that?
Ares113: Balls, wrong window.
Ares113: I'm compiling a convo I had with chardish.


Also, early in the game, he posts the "message" that Chardish gave to Blah, Kilga, and myself regarding Hans. Now, I asked Kilga if he had given it to Guido, he said no. I didn't give it to him, and I'm 99.9999% sure Chardish didn't. So, who gave it to Guido? It had to be Blah. Now, why would Blah tell Guido this... only one reason.


Lastly, FOUR different times during my interrogation of Guido tonight I mentioned that the seer had seen him as a wolf (This is not true, but who knows if the seer is or is not still alive... well, I do). Not one time did he get really really scared or upset about this, which would seem to me the natural reaction I'd have if I was human and someone told me they'd seered me a wolf. What would your reaction be? I'd be pissed to all hell, start screaming bloody murder. Guido didn't do this.... This is Guido's responses:

#1
TasselFoot: look... i know you're a wolf.
Ares113: o RLY?
TasselFoot: well, besides the seer report.... there were a few clues.
TasselFoot: Only IMing you to be nice, last words, etc.
Ares113: Hah.
Ares113: Last words?
TasselFoot: yes. like, before the lethal injection.
Ares113: So you're going to try and do to me what you did to Qreepy?
Ares113: I wake up and find the day's over.

#2
TasselFoot: kill someone, seer someone, repeat.
Ares113: As usual.
TasselFoot: you came back wolf. but, you know that.
Ares113: That's how the game's played.
TasselFoot: but, besides that... and, besides the "slipup" you just had...
TasselFoot: you posted the quote that chardish sent to me/blah/kilga... only, kilga nor I told you about it, nor did chardish.
Ares113: Missing an alt-tab makes me a wolf, huh?

#3
TasselFoot: i have MORE than enough evidence for a lynch on you, even without the seer.
Ares113: So you're pressing for the confession that you don't need and won't get?
TasselFoot: ehh... just wanted it for my satisfaction. boost my ego, you know.
Ares113: I know how important it is to you.

#4
TasselFoot: blah give the seer a false wolf report?
TasselFoot: cause, i'm not buying that in your case.
Ares113: Nonono.
Ares113: I was able to build up enough evidence against Cypher to get him lynched. I convinced myself, too.
Ares113: Turns out he was just human who hadn't played well.
Ares113: Or had an unfortunate game.


And, just as an extra... if you re-read all of his posts, they are VERY devoid of evidence, and mostly are just excuses for why he hasn't been active. Probably true, but still pretty helpful excuses.

[Kilgamayan]

An additional note is that Guido once said long ago (after either TWG 5 or Manhunt) he doesn't like playing the wolf because he doesn't feel he can act it well at all.

Tass told me that before today Guido has been avoiding conversation with Tass as much as possible, even once after telling Tass he would speak to him over AIM. Also note how his posts have, for the most part, been devoid of useful content.

Can't screw up your act if you don't talk to anyone or put your opinions on the public table, right?

And Guido was one of three votes for Flux when blah got lynched. An attempt to save blah, perhaps?

Looks like you've erected a really good case against you, Guido.

[User6773]

Okay, I know I'm dead, but this is between me and the hosts, and all hosts in general.

YOU WRITE THE STORY BEFORE THE DAY/NIGHT ENDS, SO YOU'RE READY WHEN YOU HAVE TO POST IT

[GuidoHunter]

Ugh, c'mon, Tass.

Y'know that quote from blah that I accidentally sent to you? Well, if you didn't notice, I said it came from a conversation with chardish. I was talking to him about suspicions and he mentioned blah. He said that on top of being gutsy enough to go for you on Night 1 he was being ridiculous with pressuring for information. CHARDISH sent ME that quote from blah just because it was rather humorous.

And about the message from Hans? I most definitely got that when you, blah, and Kilga did, too. I don't know where you got the idea that only you three got the message, but it's most certainly false.

Now, when you told me that there was a seer report out on me that came back wolf, why should I react? I know exactly what you're doing. If I were a wolf you would tell me this and expect me to break down and give up. Well, this just isn't true. I know that if I were seered I would come back human, so why should I give in to your tactics? You seem to forget that not everyone will act as you would.

Now, as for my posts, yeah, I agree that they're devoid of much substance. However, my vote for flux was necessary because time was winding down for me and I still hadn't voted. Everything I said in that post was true; I did have a feeling about flux_. Now, I'm not one to place a vote strictly on that, but aside from just a couple of conversations I had I've not been very active in this game. I didn't have much at all to put in a post, but I know that making a completely baseless vote would be especially sketchy.

Okay, now Kilga, to me, this "I've been avoiding Tass" business is just stupid. I told him that we would talk today. We did. I wasn't available until a few minutes before Tass started talking to me. I had stuff to do and Tass and I were both online. I figured that when he wanted to talk to me that he would IM me (which he did), but until then I would take the time I had to get some work done. I kept my promise to talk to Tass, so I have no idea why everyone thinks I was trying to avoid him.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[GuidoHunter]

For the sake of having it around, here's the entire conversation:

TasselFoot (6:19:18 PM): nothing to comment on in twg?

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Auto response from Ares113 (6:19:18 PM): MUCH needed nap. I have to recharge my backpack-jets.
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TasselFoot (9:49:08 PM): y'know, that was a really weak attempt to avoid me this game.
Ares113 (9:49:24 PM): I haven't made any attempts to avoid you.
Ares113 (9:49:51 PM): Well, I haven't gone out of my way to IM you, but if you consider that avoiding, then whatever.
TasselFoot (9:50:11 PM): when I specifically asked you to im me, and when you specifically said you would... yea, I do.
Ares113 (9:50:30 PM): I said I'd give you the conversation, not that I would IM you.
Ares113 (9:50:43 PM): I've been on and so have you. I figured you'd IMme when you wanted.
Ares113 (9:50:48 PM): I had other stuff to do, too.
Ares113 (9:51:18 PM): mastr414: but i don't think you guys would try to be soo dick to me
mastr414: and have that little faith and respect in me
TasselFoot (9:51:33 PM): whats that?
Ares113 (9:51:43 PM): Balls, wrong window.
Ares113 (9:51:53 PM): I'm compiling a convo I had with chardish.
TasselFoot (9:51:59 PM): look... i know you're a wolf.
Ares113 (9:52:10 PM): o RLY?
TasselFoot (9:52:23 PM): well, besides the seer report.... there were a few clues.
TasselFoot (9:52:38 PM): Only IMing you to be nice, last words, etc.
Ares113 (9:52:39 PM): Hah.
Ares113 (9:52:53 PM): Last words?
TasselFoot (9:53:06 PM): yes. like, before the lethal injection.
Ares113 (9:53:36 PM): So you're going to try and do to me what you did to Qreepy?
Ares113 (9:53:48 PM): I wake up and find the day's over.
TasselFoot (9:54:00 PM): qreepy was human. his fault for not coming to me and talking, trying to plead his case.
TasselFoot (9:54:10 PM): at this point, its just trial and error anyway.
TasselFoot (9:54:15 PM): kill someone, seer someone, repeat.
Ares113 (9:54:24 PM): As usual.
TasselFoot (9:54:26 PM): you came back wolf. but, you know that.
Ares113 (9:54:31 PM): That's how the game's played.
TasselFoot (9:54:42 PM): but, besides that... and, besides the "slipup" you just had...
TasselFoot (9:55:04 PM): you posted the quote that chardish sent to me/blah/kilga... only, kilga nor I told you about it, nor did chardish.
Ares113 (9:55:10 PM): Missing an alt-tab makes me a wolf, huh?
TasselFoot (9:55:12 PM): so, blah had to tell you. and, why would blah tell you?
TasselFoot (9:55:34 PM): talisman is your 3rd. he gets seered tonight.
Ares113 (9:56:04 PM): Well, I'm glad you hopefully figured out a wolf.
Ares113 (9:56:19 PM): Even if you take me out, at least the humans win.
TasselFoot (9:56:30 PM): and why would you want that?
Ares113 (9:56:47 PM): Ugh.
Ares113 (9:57:11 PM): You know good and well why.
TasselFoot (9:57:40 PM): why don't you tell me.
Ares113 (9:58:50 PM): Fine, you want to hear it from my mouth? I want my team to win.
TasselFoot (9:59:02 PM): ok... so, why do you want the humans to win?
Ares113 (9:59:27 PM): Dear God, even if I was a wolf I wouldn't answer as one.
Ares113 (9:59:34 PM): Come on, Tass.
TasselFoot (9:59:42 PM): hey, you've confessed to me in the past.
TasselFoot (10:00:16 PM): i have MORE than enough evidence for a lynch on you, even without the seer.
Ares113 (10:01:04 PM): So you're pressing for the confession that you don't need and won't get?
TasselFoot (10:01:31 PM): ehh... just wanted it for my satisfaction. boost my ego, you know.
Ares113 (10:01:40 PM): I know how important it is to you.
TasselFoot (10:02:10 PM): its ok. you really are not so good of a wolf...
Ares113 (10:03:06 PM): Well, since I haven't been trying to be one...
TasselFoot (10:03:22 PM): nobody tries to be one.
Ares113 (10:03:44 PM): Fine, I haven
Ares113 (10:03:54 PM): I haven't been trying to try to be human.
Ares113 (10:04:11 PM): I've been out of it this game, and that's hurt me.
TasselFoot (10:04:26 PM): blah too
Ares113 (10:04:30 PM): I haven't talked to many people, so it's going to be easy for you to lynch me.
Ares113 (10:05:14 PM): Unless, of course, you're trying some abstract shit on me right now.
Ares113 (10:05:35 PM): But I'm not going to believe that.
TasselFoot (10:05:40 PM): abstract shit?
Ares113 (10:06:52 PM): Put pressure on me to possibly crack and tell you something, maybe? You're trying to see what I have to say without any preconceived notion of lynching me?
TasselFoot (10:07:09 PM): i gave you evidence.
Ares113 (10:07:39 PM): Evidence got Cypher lynched in blah's game.
TasselFoot (10:07:59 PM): i have no idea what that means. i guess cypher was human?
Ares113 (10:08:03 PM): Yeah.
TasselFoot (10:08:25 PM): blah give the seer a false wolf report?
TasselFoot (10:08:33 PM): cause, i'm not buying that in your case.
Ares113 (10:08:38 PM): Nonono.
Ares113 (10:08:57 PM): I was able to build up enough evidence against Cypher to get him lynched. I convinced myself, too.
Ares113 (10:09:12 PM): Turns out he was just human who hadn't played well.
Ares113 (10:09:18 PM): Or had an unfortunate game.
TasselFoot (10:10:04 PM): so, answer me this... i've said 3 times now the seer has seen you as a wolf. if you're so human, why didn't you start screaming bloody hell that i'm lying to you? i gave you 3 shots.
Ares113 (10:10:29 PM): What good would that do?
Ares113 (10:10:32 PM): I know I'm human.
Ares113 (10:10:46 PM): You're just telling me that you've seen me as a wolf to get something out of me.
TasselFoot (10:11:04 PM): little late for the reasonings buddy...
TasselFoot (10:11:08 PM): gg
Ares113 (10:11:33 PM): Whatever, man.
Ares113 (10:11:42 PM): I know I can't fight you in this game.
Ares113 (10:11:47 PM): For that I thank the wolves.
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Session concluded at 10:21:26 PM

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Kefit]

God dammit, I was really hoping I would live to see the end of this one.

Ah well. Good luck, everyone.

[Tasselfoot]

Y'know that quote from blah that I accidentally sent to you? Well, if you didn't notice, I said it came from a conversation with chardish. I was talking to him about suspicions and he mentioned blah. He said that on top of being gutsy enough to go for you on Night 1 he was being ridiculous with pressuring for information. CHARDISH sent ME that quote from blah just because it was rather humorous.

Why are you talking about TWG to someone who is dead? That makes no sense.... I tried to say 1 random thing to chardish today about TWG and he got all pissy about not talking about the game. So... not buying that.

And about the message from Hans? I most definitely got that when you, blah, and Kilga did, too. I don't know where you got the idea that only you three got the message, but it's most certainly false.

The message was ABOUT hans, and came from Chardish, not hans. Regardless.... I checked my log, and Chardish did say he sent it to you. My mistake on that ONE piece of evidence.

Now, when you told me that there was a seer report out on me that came back wolf, why should I react? I know exactly what you're doing. If I were a wolf you would tell me this and expect me to break down and give up. Well, this just isn't true. I know that if I were seered I would come back human, so why should I give in to your tactics? You seem to forget that not everyone will act as you would.

Bull. Complete bull. If you're in school and your teacher comes up yelling at you that you cheated, when you KNOW you didn't... you're just going to sit back and let him yell at you? Of course not. Why would this be any different. Would you let amanda accuse you of cheating on her with another girl? No. So, why on earth would you let me accuse you of something that you aren't. Nobody likes to be falsely accused, and will defend themselves. You didn't, not once, when it was relevent to defend yourself. You only did so after you realized you were caught.

Okay, now Kilga, to me, this "I've been avoiding Tass" business is just stupid. I told him that we would talk today. We did. I wasn't available until a few minutes before Tass started talking to me. I had stuff to do and Tass and I were both online. I figured that when he wanted to talk to me that he would IM me (which he did), but until then I would take the time I had to get some work done. I kept my promise to talk to Tass, so I have no idea why everyone thinks I was trying to avoid him.

from yesterday:

Tass, I promise you'll have your convo and I promise I'll make a meaningful post tomorrow afternoon/evening.

You had other opportunities to come to me... yet you just "figured that when i wanted to talk i would IM you"... riiiiiight. I also specifically asked you to contact me before your post quoted above. You kept your promise to talk to me, but only because I decided to stop waiting for you to come to me and attack the hell out of you.

[GuidoHunter]

Y'know that quote from blah that I accidentally sent to you? Well, if you didn't notice, I said it came from a conversation with chardish. I was talking to him about suspicions and he mentioned blah. He said that on top of being gutsy enough to go for you on Night 1 he was being ridiculous with pressuring for information. CHARDISH sent ME that quote from blah just because it was rather humorous.

Why are you talking about TWG to someone who is dead? That makes no sense.... I tried to say 1 random thing to chardish today about TWG and he got all pissy about not talking about the game. So... not buying that.

Uh, how does that quote from me at all suggest that chardish was dead when I talked to him? He WAS alive during the game, you know... "was talking to him" can imply the very near past, but I WAS talking to him when he was in the game.

The message was ABOUT hans, and came from Chardish, not hans. Regardless.... I checked my log, and Chardish did say he sent it to you. My mistake on that ONE piece of evidence.

Very well, just as it was my mistake to say that it was from Hans.

Bull. Complete bull. If you're in school and your teacher comes up yelling at you that you cheated, when you KNOW you didn't... you're just going to sit back and let him yell at you? Of course not. Why would this be any different. Would you let amanda accuse you of cheating on her with another girl? No. So, why on earth would you let me accuse you of something that you aren't. Nobody likes to be falsely accused, and will defend themselves. You didn't, not once, when it was relevent to defend yourself. You only did so after you realized you were caught.

First of all, I still wouldn't flip out; that's not my style. Secondly, an accusation of cheating on a test or cheating on my girlfriend carries much more importance on my life than TWG. I know that they're about equivalent with you, Tass, but I say again, not everyone will act like you.
Remember, I know that you like to extrude information from people. An easy way to do that when you're in your current position is to tell people that they've been seered. Because I am so certain of its falsehood I don't have to worry myself about it, flip out, and go into ultra-defensive mode.

Look, believe what you want about my "trying to avoid you" but the fact is that I wasn't. I honestly don't care if you want to flatter yourself by saying that I was afraid of you, so you do what makes you feel good.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[talisman]

At first, I assumed guido was human because he didn't vote alain day two to force a knife in box between alain and blah, but then tass reminded me that blah had a phantom, so it didn't matter. Guido hasn't been in the thread as much, and like blah, he too acquired a phantom day one.

By the way, have we had word from the psychic yet? It would be helpful to know if qreepy was a wolf or not.