TWG XIV - Michigan Meetup - Day 6 - HUMAN VICTORY

[talisman]

The reason I chose to look into him so much was because I got feelings when he started siding with Tass and what seemed in the forums, at the time, to be the 'human' thing to do.

Firstly, I trust tass, mainly because he knows more than every other human about the roles in this game and who, among those online last night, were blues and who weren't. I'm not trying to hop on his nuts and gain special tass human points or something... I just honestly think he knows the most.

Furthermore, I thought the idea was to side with tass for the remaining days, guaranteeing a win. I didn't realize this plan was suddenly going to end after one day, or maybe I misunderstood the initial plan.

He has been much more elaborate in his posts since blah died, which has obvious implications.

... ? This reasoning is bullshit. EVERYONE got more elaborate after blah's death because there was more to talk about. On day one and two, info is scarce... how "elaborate" can you be? Even YOU are starting to post with some frequency now instead of just showing up to vote, since blah's death.

There is also the issue that he has taken to summarising the way other players appear in this thread as being his major posts. He clearly has been avoiding discussion with players and does not appear to respond to suspicion of him that. if I'm not mistaken, were noted by Tass and I in the thread.

What's wrong with categorizing my thoughts on people in a post? And I DID respond to the suspicions you had of me... right at the BEGINNING of my last so-called "summary" post. (and I go on to talk about the bandwagonning accusations more when discussing kilga).

And, you will notice, I responded to guido's accusations, so I fail to see where I'm avoiding discussion. If you mean on AIM, maybe? Come talk to me, anyone. I'll be glad to chat.

I also have a good feeling that one or both of the remaining wolves are one of the four lesser known players that are less easy to target based on their behavior, and in general, less active.

What do you mean, less active? Out of mead, flux, gamepro, jenova and I (I'm not sure which four you mean so I'm putting all five), I have been quite arguably the most active. Shit, for the first two days I was probably alot more active than you. Or at least I didn't just pop in to vote and then leave.

[mead1]

Ok, I have some beef with Talisman, and I shall explain it now.

Firstly, if one looks back at his last couple of posts, he does several strange things. You will notice in his "omg heres what I think of everybody" post, he defends his blindly following Tass, and says he is suspicious of Kilga for doing the same. That seems just slightly hypocritical to me. Not to mention his spirited defense of Tass-wagoning in his post prior. I think he is just trying to spread some dirt on everyone on that list to create new suspects.

Also, he says in his latest post that Tass has stated he is being seered tonight.

EDIT: yea, forgot to add talisman saying that...

Oh and I found the part in the convo where tass says I am the third and that I will be seered tonight. I assumed there wasn't anything in the convo first time I saw it because tass had already lifted the most important parts, so I skimmed it and missed my name the first time. Firefox search stopped that the second time around. I welcome being seered tonight, and I've said that I'm willing to be seered from the beginning.

I probably have more to say, but I'm confused. Oh yea... Talisman bandwagoning on my vote is damn suspicious, as Alain pointed out, especially after I did say to Guido that talisman was the 3rd. I'm seriously confused as hell. I think I'm thinking too hard about this... going into 2, 3, even 4 reverses of logic.

Where did he say he was going to have Talisman seered? Please point it out to me.

Guido- not a blue, and hasn't been seered (EDIT: seered to be shown human)

Now, who said Guido was seered human? Tass has been on, and he hasn't announced it, and still seems to be pursuing guido, so what does this mean? It means that either Talisman is misinformed, misleading us, or that Tass hasn't decided to share this with us. Personally I don't think Tass would be voting and pushing for Guido if he knew him to be human, and why would the seer withold info from Tass, but then tell you? This leads me to one conclusion: that talisman is involved in some shifty going ons.

Now the statement I am basing this off of is a little vague, so I may be just misunderstanding it.

All this, and the reasons alain already stated, make me confident in my vote for talisman

[talisman]

Firstly, if one looks back at his last couple of posts, he does several strange things. You will notice in his "omg heres what I think of everybody" post, he defends his blindly following Tass, and says he is suspicious of Kilga for doing the same.

I am NOT suspicious of kilga. He seems highly human to me, based on his voting. My point was, which you should have gotten if you'd read my post, was that he ALSO bandwaggonned on to tass' vote, but no one mentions that, they just mention me. Of course, this could be for the obvious reason that kilga is pretty much a proven human and I am not.

Where did he say he was going to have Talisman seered? Please point it out to me.

Here:

TasselFoot (9:55:34 PM): talisman is your 3rd. he gets seered tonight.

Guido- not a blue, and hasn't been seered (EDIT: seered to be shown human)

Now, who said Guido was seered human?

I didn't say guido was seered to be shown human. I meant that guido was not a blue, and that he hasn't been seered to be shown human. Obviously. Otherwise tass wouldn't have voted him. The reason it's an edit is that it's an edit... I forgot to make it clear the first time.

[mead1]

If you are NOT suspicious of kilga, then why would you want people to look down on him for Tass-wagoning? If you had any degree of sense, and were human, you would leave it alone because you were not suspicious of Kilga anyway.

Also, Thanks for clarifying when Tass said you would be seered, since that was not in the forum, I had no way of knowing.

You really need to keep yourself straight here Talisman, the bottom line is this: you brought up something suspicious about kilga in your post. Something that would draw suspicion towards him. You then say you are NOT (I emphasize the caps) suspicious of him. It just doesn't add up.

[talisman]

KILGA IS HUMAN. WHAT I WROTE WAS AN ASIDE, IT IS IN PARENTHESES.

I was showing that I was not the only one who supposedly bandwaggonned, and that kilga's arguments were somewhat weak. I was in no way implicating him as a wolf. AT ALL.

[lightdarkness]

Guido (3.1) - Tass, Kilga, Talisman, PHANTOM
Talisman (2) - Alain, Mead
Gamepro (1) - Flux_

30 min

[JenovaSephiroth]

I need to vote to avoid a phantom. Sorry I wasn't around for a while.
JenovaSephiroth is my vote

[talisman]

Jenova wtf?

Do you just not care about the game or what? That post seems REALLY sketchy to me.

[alainbryden]

Allright, I talked to talisman, and he certainly adds up a lot more now, so I'm switching to JenovaSephiroth, keeping that I believe one of the wolves has been quiet, he is new and can get away with any behavior because we don't know his style of play.

I just read what he posted and that makes me feel alot better about voting him. As talisman nicely put it: "If he's a human, he just doesn't care about it." If he's a wolf, he has played with the perfect strategy for a new player because he's said nothing. By voting himself he is making the ultimate attempt to be uninvolved with any conviction, giving us nothing at all to work off of. By throwing an erronous vote on himself, he is avoiding conflict, same way he's been saying nothing. He's the perfect candidate for the underground-wolf type I've been picturing as following blah and whatever other wolf, and so now I vote him and hope we can make a last minute switch off of Guido who I strongly feel should not die.

[GuidoHunter]

I'm going to have to go and vote JenovaSephiroth. I don't have much against him other than speculation, but self-preservation takes precedence.

Of course, it's probably better than Jenova goes now rather than racking up the phantoms necessary for the wolves to end the game a day early. Who knows, maybe he was just lying low. Whatever, I just want to live to see the next day.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[alainbryden]

Edit, I fucked the stats right up.

[talisman]

Alright, jenova, I usually go by the policy that even a lame retarded human that won't check the thread ever is still a human and could pull through in the clutch with votes later on... but honestly I doubt you'll even be here.

Tass was suspicious of you quite a bit, which means that you aren't a blue.

I'm running out of time here, but see alain's post for reasons you are a good wolf candidate.

[lightdarkness]

Jenova (5.1) - Alain, Guido, Jenova, Talisman PHANTOM, PHANTOM
Guido (2.1) - Tass, Kilga, PHANTOM
Talisman (1) - Mead
Gamepro (1) - Flux_

[Kilgamayan]

All aboard the Jenova train!

[JenovaSephiroth]

For real, I was gone for a while. I couldn't play at all while I was out. I am going to change my vote to alain He started this little bandwagon against me. I didn't vote these last 2 times because I couldn't and I literally didn't have a chance because I was out. Not because I didn't care.