TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[ShadoWolfe]

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Zenith

[ShadoWolfe]

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the sun fan - I've had my moments of paranoia and hesitation but he's lock town. his read progressions actually make sense when you trace them, and he hasn't had a single structural push that ties him to anyone. his votes and pushes and even switches have been pro-town. the way he got to ben at D0 EOD was genuinely painful to watch and felt real. his read on DBP has been independent and persistent across both phases. EVERYONE WHO IS LIKE ME AND GETS PARANOID, DO NOT TINFOIL THIS READ. Town.

Hakulyte - town. voted DBP at D0 when nobody else did. I can see he's evolved as a player since we used to play together, but there's a certain kind of tinfoil I relied on to be able to read when he was town and I haven't gotten it wrong yet and he's been showing it this game. his reads have been better than ever and show the evolution I'm talking about. he's also been updating on new information rather than entrenching or echoing endlessly. I don't have a single flag on him. town.


bugkid666 - their low D0 presence was explained upfront and the posts they did make were honest. their vibe has been genuine all game and their D2 (and earlier) read on DBP has personal weight that I think is real. they knows what wolf DBP looks like, or at least what town DBP doesn't look like, and they're calling it out. their observation in #1130 about whether two wolves would pile onto a wolf zenith and asking if that's why DBP switched was sharp and independent. solid town as well.


botchi246 - the D0 NV was bad and the D1 vote on me was thin. but D2 has been more engaged than I expected. his "I really don't see a wolf just voting by themselves" reasoning is at least a real principle and he's been honest about his own confusion throughout. the sunfan vote looks OMGUS to me and I think he'll admit that. slight town lean but I haven't done enough work to clear him properly.


FreezinIce - two bad EOD calls is a problem. he was on HnH with DBP at D1 EOD and they were the two most vocal drivers of that wagon. his D2 self-disclosure about playing on surface reads and tone rather than analysis was either genuine transparency or a wolf getting ahead of a read, and I can't tell which. his read shifts have tracked with whoever was most recently talking to him rather than developing independently. his mic drop of xel/botchi/zenith conspicuously excludes DBP. null, can't clear yet, and if zenith flips red his stocks go up.


XelNya - was early on the ben wagon alongside DBP in D0 without much stated reasoning, and ended on the zenith wagon at D1 EOD also without reasoning. Xel could easily bus, so not giving much points for that. low engagement across both phases. his D2 post was the most substantive thing he's produced all game but it arrived very late and some of his reasoning was hard to follow. slight wolf lean, lowest priority.


Zenith - today's vote. the D0 contradiction between threatening sunfan and later claiming he was "just building a town circle" has never been resolved. the PR comment in a vanilla setup generated four different explanations when pressed. he and DBP validated each other's case against ben in D0 and ben was town. he survived D1 only because DBP moved off him at the last second to create the coinflip. wolf read.


DaBackpack - covered in the post above. wolf.

[roundbox]

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The Votecount
_Zenith_ (3) - the sun fan, bugkid666, Hakulyte
botchi246 (1) - DaBackpack

Not voting - ShadoWolfe, _Zenith_, XelNya, botchi246, FreezinIce

[the sun fan]

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this phase has really sucked for me and I do apologize for that
in all honestly I maybe shouldn't have signed up for this game, not because I haven't played enough, but because I did have to sacrifice some stuff to be here and I

genuinely would rather be at this party right now than explaining why we have to kill zenith
that's just the truth of the matter, I guess

idk if this helps anyone

[FreezinIce]

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ok uhh reads real quick I guess would be good to get out

sunfan you do the same

i dont think im ever dying tonight but ill do it too cause why not

My world

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i have spent pretty much 0 time thinking about pairings so these reads will reflect that.

the sun fan is still my top town, probably not really worth explaining, my previous read on him is still the same.

Hakulyte gets my townread due to effortposting and being extremely consistent with tone and post direction.

Zenith has ghosted and will probably die today.

bugkid666 is close to town but not quite, I like their posts a lot and the tone is consistent, but they seem a bit more...stilted than usual? Stiff? I would expect more from town bugkid, especially around eod. Maybe thats paranoia

ShadoWolfe is the only true null left on my reads list. He really deserves an ISO as well before I feel good about him one way or the other. At least hes around at EOD and putting himself out there i guess.

XelNya and botchi are 2 players i was leaning town at the start of the day but have degraded due to ghosting today. Probably will need to look here tomorrow

DaBackpack I posted my thoughts but he's probably the player i feel the worst about overall.

[the sun fan]

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ok uhh reads real quick I guess would be good to get out

sunfan you do the same

my reads suck, especially on haku, because I haven't had time to dedicate myself to this game today
I trust bugkid the most and have them as my only solid villager

I *think* I have freezin next, but there is a true, ocean-sized gulf between freezin and bugkid, and I am not sure if I trust botchi more

botchi is because he just genuinely feels like a lost villager, and freezin has been on the same page as me for so, so long that it is hard for me to not believe he is town
a zenith t flip makes it hard to read freezin, because I do know he might just try to stunt on the wagons (or maybe he would be saving DBP????) the day before, but a zenith w flip makes freezin stocks plummet more than a shitcoin

I kind of hadn't actually really put it together before now how important it is that zenith is likely to flip w here
I probably should't have been trusting freezin as much as I have, consider botchi 2nd on my townreads

I genuinely don't know who I have after that
both xel and haku need reevaluation (haku I've literally just been sheeping star, which sucks, I haven't known how to read haku ever since he learned how to post more than 5 times per phase as a wolf)
shado needs proper and firm evaluation, I know that your EOD theatrics make it tougher for you to be W

zenith wolfier than dbp but it REALLY feels like they are both W, maybe it is just freezin as the third and freezin is going to have a much harder game moving forward

posting this in the interest of time

[Hakulyte]

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I guess DBP did leave a botchi vote at least.

Going with Zenith 'cause it's the most resourceful vote.

I sometimes wish I could do some crazy CFD EoD shenanigans, but I don't think I have what it takes to back it up purposefully this time.

[Hakulyte]

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If the team is Zenith/DBP/botchi, you guys realize the entire wolf team is missing this eod ? That's insane.

[FreezinIce]

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damn i become lowkey kinda chaotic when eod comes around, feels like how i used to play

[FreezinIce]

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But what if haku is right tho

[ShadoWolfe]

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ok uhh reads real quick I guess would be good to get out

sunfan you do the same

[the sun fan]

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ok jesus I was worried we were in the twilight zone for a sec

[FreezinIce]

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Oh thats what sunfan meant when he said mechanics. Vote mechanics

[ShadoWolfe]

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no, no, you're right. We lynch Zenith and only Zenith

[ShadoWolfe]

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shado, I'll do my best to explain why we CAN'T kill afford not to kill Zenith
you are right that these are best left tto the mod normally
(I am missing out on something truly grand to be here btw I am experiencing FOMO)

Zenith is not here
he hasn't been here in a while, long enough for me to believe he isn't coming back
normally, this results in a replacement (or modkill)
the OP doesn't have anything about modkills for inactivity in it, I would be spitballing toi suppose something here

I think we have to operate under the assumption that he is not coming back, and that he will not be replaced (this is the most I will comment on the 2nd of these suppositions in this sentence)

Because of this, if he is a villager (which I think he likely isn't but w/e), town enters lylo essentially down a villager
in my estimation, we basically already have lost the game if this occurs

wolves can force a coinflip forever AT MINIMUM and town can only insta if a wolf busses another wolf, or votes for a town alongside town (which maybe they will, honestly, it is kinda based for wolves to just make town win the 12.5% rolls but I bet they'd be cowards instead since that feels like the theme of this game)

DBP (or whoever else) CAN be a wolf, obviously outside of zenith there are 2 or 3

but you cannot possibly tell me that you expect town to benefit immensely from
a) frontloading the flip from DBP (or whoever else) can possibly outweigh the risk of a permanent 12.5% win percentage
b) I actually forgot my 2nd point and checked a discord message and don't remembner, but in the interest of time, I will post this now

we ARE killing zenith, whoever else is wolfy WILL be here tomorrow, and town will either profit immensely by flipping zenith W or we will avoid forever disaster by flipping zenith T

killing Zenith even if he is town has genuinely the highest non-role related upside in a game I have ever seen

I am missing amazing tacos that I MYSELF MADE on family night to be here, so I feel you on the FOMO

and I get where you're coming from now. I was a dumbass and forgot that we need the town VOTES, not just the content