TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

[bugkid666]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

The Votecount

benguino (5) - DaBackpack, XelNya, ShadoWolfe, Hateandhatred, the sun fan

botchi246 (2) - benguino, FreezinIce
star-crossed (2) - bugkid666, mellon_collie
DaBackpack (1) - Hakulyte
the sun fan (1) - _Zenith_
bugkid666 (1) - star-crossed

Not voting - botchi246

unless we want to believe ben's entire train was town there has to be at least one wolf between dbp, sunfan and xel.

The Votecount
_Zenith_ (3) - XelNya, the sun fan, ShadoWolfe
Hateandhatred (3) - FreezinIce, star-crossed, DaBackpack

botchi246 (2) - Hakulyte, bugkid666

DaBackpack (1) - Hateandhatred
ShadoWolfe (1) - botchi246
Hakulyte (1) - _Zenith_

i cant quite glean anything that good from this day yet, i think its definitely possible that all town voted for zenith but its literally impossible for there not to be at least one wolf among xel, sunfan, freezin and dbp (both trains)

The Votecount
_Zenith_ (4) - the sun fan, bugkid666, Hakulyte, ShadoWolfe
botchi246 (1) - DaBackpack

Not voting - _Zenith_, XelNya, botchi246, FreezinIce

this day is particularly wacky for me. i think its basically impossible for all three wolves to have straight up not voted, so im operating under the guise that a wolf team of freezin/botchi/xel cant exist.

however one person is on all of my sus lists and its xel

[FreezinIce]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

the fact that you arent makes me think you and potentially freezin have been pocketing me this entire fucking time and i hate it. i'm now deeply concerned that dbp is not a hit

I feel like we've barely talked though?

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

this is fair I guess. I'm not gonna lie I havent even read last phase's EOD, but I think the specific story of "how Zenith got to be the wagon" is extremely important for this reason

It will give us a pretty good characterization of the mindset of the wolf team

I'm feeling more confident in the notion that "the wolves have never been in any real danger", which would then suggest that most of the game has been town just fucking ourselves over and over. A passive wolf team wouldn't necessarily feel compelled to steer AWAY from a Zenith mislynch---- something something Napoleon something never interrupting your opponent making a mistake

if we assume you are town, and we are perhaps a little generous to the botchi wagon first eod, then only botchi had a chance of dying by now

I think that the zenith wagon was formed out of necessity; obv go read it yourself, but to quote shadowolfe from yesterday (loosely)
"no, you're right sunfan, we kill zenith today and only zenith"

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

it does matter because no sheep is better than a 7/8 chance at winning the game outright

wolves could literally all claim wolf and just say "win 3 KitB in a row or lose, villagers"

this is fair I guess. I'm not gonna lie I havent even read last phase's EOD, but I think the specific story of "how Zenith got to be the wagon" is extremely important for this reason

It will give us a pretty good characterization of the mindset of the wolf team

I'm feeling more confident in the notion that "the wolves have never been in any real danger", which would then suggest that most of the game has been town just fucking ourselves over and over. A passive wolf team wouldn't necessarily feel compelled to steer AWAY from a Zenith mislynch---- something something Napoleon something never interrupting your opponent making a mistake

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

I guess a team with Haku on it is less inclined to kill shado?
given Shado townread him so hard?

idk maybe a team with haku has haku in such a good position it doesn't really bear thinking about such a thing

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

do you have anything else to say?

I need to reread Shado for now.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Alternatively, the Zenith target didn't matter because the wolves already had a sheep lined up for today (probably me)

it does matter because no sheep is better than a 7/8 chance at winning the game outright

wolves could literally all claim wolf and just say "win 3 KitB in a row or lose, villagers"

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Fun fact: I will be missing this EoD.

do you have anything else to say?

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

genuinely don't think I have a clue why shado dies
I don't think I will think of the why or anything; I was once in a game where wolves nightkilled a lowposter because they thought they were going to replace out and they wanted to stop the mod from being burdened with finding a replacement

I don't think this is likely to be in that tier
idk
I guess I did just play a turbo where wolves lost just about entirely because of horrid night actions
and I don't think the shado kill is horrid (probably??)

I just don't know that I'll get the why
if anyone has any ideas, I think this is important if we can figure out the why

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

honestly wait
idk how much true credit I can get for this, but it is a factual statement that I never steer town towards killing zenith if I am a wolf unless I am with like
exactly dbp/xel? maybe botchi was also killable yesterday but probably not tbh

if I am a wolf, I try to kill any town OTHER than Zenith and get a very free win afterword

I do think this is very important and should hopefully thwart a good bit of any paranoia that wolves were hoping to get from leaving me alive

this logic doesnt apply exclusively to you; it would apply to anybody who had some level of influence over starting wagons

Alternatively, the Zenith target didn't matter because the wolves already had a sheep lined up for today (probably me)

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

Fun fact: I will be missing this EoD.

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

No
Apparently I am now cringe

you ARE

[roundbox]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

are votes locked in lylo?

No
Apparently I am now cringe

[the sun fan]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

honestly wait
idk how much true credit I can get for this, but it is a factual statement that I never steer town towards killing zenith if I am a wolf unless I am with like
exactly dbp/xel? maybe botchi was also killable yesterday but probably not tbh

if I am a wolf, I try to kill any town OTHER than Zenith and get a very free win afterword

I do think this is very important and should hopefully thwart a good bit of any paranoia that wolves were hoping to get from leaving me alive

[DaBackpack]

Re: TWG 210: Vanilla Ice Cream in Sprite [GAME THREAD]

the OP doesn't say that they are, so I would assume no
SOD post doesn't either
so the only conclusion I can reasonably make is that they aren't locked in, which means that roundbox is CRINGE

this is my guess too

in either case, it js extremely important for nobody to prematurely vote because if youre town and you vote a town then the wolves can instantly vote rush to win

@everyone