TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (Game Thread)

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

It feels weird having to defend myself when I'm not really even being attacked, I'm just very uncomfortable going into the night and want to do everything I can to get it all down here

So, I'd redirect you here as far as me and DBP, but I'd also have to ask the question about bussing/distancing if that were the case

I'm trying to get you and sunfan to help me build my cases so I can analyze how you regard each other, so I'm trying to be neutral by not leaning particularly either way and weighing the options carefully. I have a bunch if quotes set aside right now, I've been rereading for hours lol

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

is eod today?

[botchi246]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

eod is today. pretty positive

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

welp, I don't anticipate dying, I just want the PR's to have a really good plan here, I'd be nervous as all hell going into tomorrow with a sunfan wolf lol

[thesunfan]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

welp, I don't anticipate dying, I just want the PR's to have a really good plan here, I'd be nervous as all hell going into tomorrow with a sunfan wolf lol

I'm pretty sure that Red has made up his mind that botchi =/= wolf and that Jake is pretty close to it, so I think that the game is pretty clear cut at this point.

I don't know if there's anything you can say that will stop your lynch from happening, and its not even necessarily anything you've done, its just what botchi/I have done.

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Which truly throws me for a loop because I haven't seen that much -_-

AA I think it was that said "These are not sunfan Tier posts" and then this is one of the only substantial reads lists I've seen so far. Again, not saying you're being lazy or anything, and I also understand classes are very time consuming. I just can't for the life of me see why I'd be a more logical lynch.

It's like why bother signing up for the game when my try-hard posts are always overlooked, my detective work/logic is always called flawed or wrong (even when I've pinged out scum hard last few games), and because of this creating a "social stature" I'm an easy lynch target, could never be a successful wolf, and generally anything I do do for work just gets regarded as scummy any way. Tell me I'm wrong this is also not angry Ed posting, just a rant, and it's invis because I'm not trying to make this my point, again just ranting

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

I hate how I just missed him too - Red I mean

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

I take this as DBP distancing MML - I'm getting really damn curious about that flip now
But also, 2 posts later, here is DBP's thoughts on botchi

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D2)

I already commented on this when you tried to bring it up much earlier, talking about who is threatened by Charu does not help in any way shape or form on finding who his killer is or what the intentions were. Your guess is a good as mine.

just quoting this for laughs, note to self on Zenith's redirecting strategy
that also shows where I am in this reread - which I really hope gets looked at after I post. I'm seeeing a lot of DBP shit I've been skimming through.

Zenith, myself, and AA agreed DBP's post-claim remarks seem like he's genuinely hunting werewolves, and as AA said there's little-to-no chance DBP would bus his partner knowing they're the last one out there. This is a major date point for me

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

if anybody wants to pair me and Zenith up I ask you to do 2 things first:

im not, i'm pairing you with backpack. already said im sure of mml being zenith's partner

[Gradiant]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

could never be a successful wolf

well you are still here until the last parts of the game so there's that

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

How can you possibly pair me with backpack? DO I need to go over his tunneling on me? Maybe it's because I've spent the last 6 fuckin hours rereading this thread I can't believe how painfully obvious it is that sunfan is the last wolf

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Are you even reading what I've written or just picking out parts to build your case?

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

fuck it, this is everything I've reread and commented on up to page 167, I don't see the point n going on another 20 pages when nobody listens anyway so here (I'll re-quote the more important things):

yeah, I had forgotten that you had said you only had one partner

Given the set up we know now, I regard this as more of a town slip

i have suspected lar since the beginning, page 43 reads list.
top scum:dbp, zenith, lar,
top town:aa, rb
nulls: everyone else

I don't know what to think of this. I don't think botchi would be a busser, again especially in this case. And given the no kill possibilities, I think botchi posting 3/4 wolves as his top scum leads (and him being a wolf) is slim to none odds.

i don't often see greg getting angry but holy shit backpack outing doesn't suddenly make this game the complete destruaction of TWG take a chill pill

Minor data point here that I believe I've mentioed already

This post is so pure it hurts my nonexistent soul

See? That weird non-FFR posting I was talking about! Zenith doesn't compliment people lol

This was in regards to Zenith clearing MML. I don't take this as very genuine
http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=2766 - as much as I want to take this is as genuine, I don't it feels forced. Particularly things like "I am just an ordinary citizen." and "me saying rb is a wolf was just shitposting. " and saying I'm scummy, but leaving me completely out of his reads list.
Page 139 is chock full of examples why if MML/DBP, I would never ever vote for botchi. If MML/Zenith I could still be inclned to see the partnership between the other two. That and the following page, that is clear Zenith tunneling on Botchi - not bussing, not distancing. And botchi seems to get pretty irritated with Zenith. If MML/DBP, then I would bet my next paycheck it'd be Zenith/sunfan
Town points for botchi here http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=2810

Jailing me is a waste, I dont have any powers to block. I would suggest MML or zenith

This pisses me off cuz I've been going out of my way not to say things like this

the number of deaths doesn't confirm anyone, even if it's zero

Redirect to here so that you guys remember if I'm jailed tonight and sunfan or whoever opts for a no kill, I'm probably getting lynched out of convenience, but just remember this, and this:

Yah i see your reasoning, but what if you jail me and then there is only one night kill? That means the mafia held back their kill so they could frame me for a definite kill tomorrow.

=====================
This deserves special attention as it's been addressed a little bit

Votes from post 1919 to post 3074
Night in 0:01:23

This jail is not gonna help town at all tomorrow, i hope you see that

I also don't see botchi or any newer player pushing the line here, this post was at exactly 10:00, I highly doubt a scum would risk a modkill (and he was modkilled the other game, so we know he's aware of the fact).
---

• Votes -- Lynch -- Voters
• 5 -- DaBackpack -- MixMasterLar (56), thesunfan (83), AragakiAyase (203), Red Blaster (52), Gradiant (39)
• 1 -- botchi246 -- rzr (140)
• 4 -- unvote -- botchi246 (88), DaBackpack (229), _Zenith_ (171), lurker (60)

:00 good :01 bad

mafia gon win

The only living non vote is botchi. I think DBP's implication refers to the actual people who voted for him. In this particular instance I would say that avoiding a vote on DBP, as his partner, would almost be detrimental to it.

this is kind of a complex question. The answer depends on whether or not you think you'll be targeted by the tracker vs targeted by the jailkeeper vs targeted by both vs targeted by neither
cop doesn't really factor in

Another data point. Seems like sunfan has thought out the no kill in detail

Oh.Maybe? Unless he meant track as in scumhunt but yeah, that's a weird choice of wording

This definitelymakes me feel stronger about Zenith/MML
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

why did you check gradiant
and yeah a check on me probably would've solved the game

I also notice after this AA calls out sunfan quite a bit - and then who dies in the night?
Again the only person to bring up a no kill - http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=3188
follow up with post 3190 leads me to think 99% sunfan already knew people were suspcious of him, and he knew based on claims at this point that people would be seering him one way or another. If DBP was sunfan's partner a no kill from here on out seems to be (just about) his only choice for remaining UTR. Another reason for the cop to get killed before the tracker

zenith, MML, sunfan why did you all vote me immediately especially MML because I don't like his reaction the most

AA makes a good point here, and it's quite a coincidence MML and Zenith are here along next to sunfan, and says it was to apply pressure which I don't really believe. AA already had the pressure - there was a solid lack of a death and he was jailed, already gaining attention and had 2 votes real quick. Pressure, or at least l-2 pressure, seems unwarranted in this instance and frankly opportunistic

btw, in case anyone was not aware, and I am positive of this, the follower can make the nightkill and use their power on someone in the same night, so yeah, I'm not confirmed from Jake's result

Again what? I just find this such an odd post to make - I am all for providing both sides of the situation, but this just seems so out of place

Welp, this is alot to take in.
unvote for now. Worst case we play it safe and lynch Botchi. I know he's gonna flip red

From here you can completely assume botchi is almost cleared - both followers are dead and the only way mml COULD "KNOW" BOTCHI WOULD FLIP RED WOULD BE TO HAVE FOLLOWED HIM. Which he obviously didn't - so I see 2 possibilities:
MML's partner followed botchi and found him to be the rival faction (though I can't explain why he would still be alive at this point) or botchi has to be town. I think there might be a small chance he is scum, but I don't think the evidence points that way here, and it's totally worth noting sunfan's reply to MML's statement:

heh

yes, Zenith, Jake is right you're not making sense unless you're hardclaiming wolf.

You cannot assume that Jake is the cop AND assume that he got a red on you unless you're a wolf.

That's why he's bothered by what you said, as am I

I think MML is the best kill, actually

The only post in between these two is Gradiant asking Zenith the same question. Explain to me, sunfan, why you don't think Zenith would have been a better option considering this major slip? Of course, MML's tracker slip was already noted, but this would bring me closer to believing sunfan/Zenith combo is plausible

@Red I don't follow. I don't think wolves would send a nokill specifically for that reason but ok I guess...

Is this a small slip? Perhaps because sunfan would know why the wolves would no kill and botchi's statement irked him - either way leading me further away from botchi
Also, on page 165 just about everybody asks Sunfan to elaborate on when he said his top read was MML. Based on what I've already said, I would think that it's very possible Sunfan's follower partner followed MML and got that read, and with him gaining traction for a lynch there would be no point in killing him in the night. I'm starting to think the term slank was invented for you Greg

I think that we can consider me to be confirmed if the werewolf goon should ever be flipped, right?

What?

[rzr]

Re: TWG CXLVII - Read The Setup. (People have Died. D3)

Screw it, this is one of the best quotes in the whole damn thing take it or leave it
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS

why did you check gradiant
and yeah a check on me probably would've solved the game