On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

[Charu]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

this reminds me

what sort of dealing with it would the mods be doing, exactly

are we talking like game bans, probationary periods, stern warnings, what's the plan there

Probably a warning first. If the offending player did not feel they were out of line, then I suppose an appeal is made right there. If it's truly deemed that it was not out of line, then the warning is averted and probably is just a strict talking instead to perhaps approach a situation with less hostility. If the warning is valid, then next time they do it again, they'll get a game ban.

...I'm assuming that's how it's going to work out anyways.

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

this reminds me

what sort of dealing with it would the mods be doing, exactly

are we talking like game bans, probationary periods, stern warnings, what's the plan there

yeah I think sunfan and maybe YoshL should weigh in here for sure

I do think having the ability to ban in a worst case Ontario is still a good idea so maybe a global mod?

or maybe a TWG subforum group that mods can kick people out of the group (this is what we have for tgb). but the problem with that is people have to apply/be added manually in order to be kicked out of the forum group

[Charu]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

once again, excuse me, but what

She saying some of y'all are being jerks to the folks being accused of being jerks.

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This post is brought to you by someone's interpretation, one of the silly things I mentioned previously in the thread! Hooray for interpretation!

[Makilaz]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

Like I agree that straight up insults, personal attacks etc cross the line. But I think trying to police those is going to be really hard because of all the things I have brought up.

That's why I think Freezi's solution of "get a few more mods, and if problems arise have the mods deal with it in post-game" is the best solution

this reminds me

what sort of dealing with it would the mods be doing, exactly

are we talking like game bans, probationary periods, stern warnings, what's the plan there

[Funnygurl555]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

I think some people should look at their posts in this thread through the same lens to be completely frank

once again, excuse me, but what

[XelNya]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

nobody NEEDS to say anything, or really play at all. friendly jabs and insults can be a part of some people's personality and how they banter with their friends. It doesn't make the person toxic, and I don't think they need to take a step back for any reason

Ok I lied. I'm coming back this once.

This post pretty much summarizes how I feel about posts like the ones from Shadow earlier. Posts in the games always just feel like friendly banter - or like I guess a good modern equivalent would be playing among us, where you would speak more on the cuff, and loose with your friends.

That's how I've treated TWG.

Serious talk. How hard is it to actually be like, somewhat genuine and just -say- things without the need to throw a ton of swearing or personal jabs into it. You may not think we need to, but maybe it's something bigger than that.

If I can actually be really frank with you all for a minute, I'm not like, unaware at all that the way I talk is off-putting to people, but it's not like I go too far, I'd expect people in this area to just, tell me if I'm being too rough.

Like there's two instances I can think of where everyone did just that, that's LTWG when I called Roundbox a white-knight, and actually funny enough when I blew up over being modkilled at roundbox.

I already feel less genuine because I actively go out of my way to keep my posts more tame. I think some of you are too boomer, and attached to swear words being swear words instead of just really versatile words.

In short, Trevor to answer your question, I'm already less genuine because I don't talk in twg the same way I do IRL. If I didn't like most of you, this conversation would be very, very different.

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

Like I agree that straight up insults, personal attacks etc cross the line. But I think trying to police those is going to be really hard because of all the things I have brought up.

That's why I think Freezi's solution of "get a few more mods, and if problems arise have the mods deal with it in post-game" is the best solution

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

if something could be viewed as toxic regardless of the intention behind it maybe don't post it in the first place

but that is going to impact some people more than others and by extension impact the game.

some people don't use friendly jabs at all, they've just never done it or are afraid to be mean or whatever. while for others it is a part of their daily interactions with people and part of the way they talk to their friends. They would have to make a conscious effort to change the way they talk while playing while other player's wouldn't. And the more aggressive players would be more likely to be perceived as wolfy for sounding "unnatural"

not to even mention people's varying levels of tolerance for "toxic" behaviour. depending on the audience everything or nothing could be perceived as toxic and how is someone who is making the post supposed to know how someone else is going to read into it?

it's just super confusing

[Makilaz]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

nobody NEEDS to say anything, or really play at all. friendly jabs and insults can be a part of some people's personality and how they banter with their friends. It doesn't make the person toxic, and I don't think they need to take a step back for any reason

there's a big difference between banter with friends and chat/twg in an online community. friendly jabs between friends can look mean-spirited and unwelcoming if you're not already familiar with the people involved

like, it's super easy to see someone doing what they feel is friendly jabbing to their friend and think 'wow they're kind of an asshole, I better stay out of their way' and there's no need for that sort of misunderstanding to be possible in the first place

if something could be viewed as toxic regardless of the intention behind it maybe don't post it in the first place

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

also in a twist that will shock everyone, I 100% agree with Freezi's posts especially this one

I think trying to enforce some kind of hard rule is a mistake.

Just appoint another mod or 2 and hold people accountable in postgame if they have a meltdown.

Im sure people are smart enough to realize when theyre going too far. And if they dont it will quickly become apparent

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

friendly intentions or not

I think some people should look at their posts in this thread through the same lens to be completely frank

[mellonxcollie]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

if you absolutely need to involve insults and "friendly" "jabs" in your playstyle then maybe you should take a step back and figure out why that is

nobody NEEDS to say anything, or really play at all. friendly jabs and insults can be a part of some people's personality and how they banter with their friends. It doesn't make the person toxic, and I don't think they need to take a step back for any reason

[Makilaz]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

Here is my guide for not being a dingus

- dont insult people to discredit their points (bolth said it best, attack ideas not people)

- dont be a dick

- if someone asked u to stop doing a negative behavior towards them, respect their wishes

- at the end of the day your playing against another person, treat them like one

this is a good guide

[Makilaz]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

i think we should have some BASIC RULES
some COMMUNITY SUPPORT
some OUTREACH thanks

if i could quote this a hundred times i would

if you absolutely need to involve insults and "friendly" "jabs" in your playstyle then maybe you should take a step back and figure out why that is

everyone here should be perfectly capable of playing this game without being a dick, friendly intentions or not, to other players

[FreezinIce]

Re: On the subject of Toxicity/Community Check-in (TWG)

What makes this even funnier is that Greg called me Omar at Anime North last year

EDIT: How much is rent in your head?

Tree fiddy.

Here's the origin of the quote. Good old classics man

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4524964&postcount=2468

I guess AA orginally got it used on him first