Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

[TC_Halogen]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

.Spitfire.'s second point and Charu's point are things that should happen.

Honestly, I can't decide if I want Legacy to stay or go -- part of me wants to leave it for the hard work, but part of me wants to remove it from public ranks because newer players should not have to deal with those older charts when they are not relevant to today's standards.

[PaperclipGames]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

I feel a bit strange about putting it in Token ranks since they aren't really tokens, plus, as mentioned before, using the Token levelranks as a dump for Legacy doesn't seem right.

It seems best to let the ranks at least save somewhere, maybe even in a seperate Legacy ranking, or simply not at all... although not knowing what your best recorded score is in a Legacy song can be quite annoying, I guess.

On the other hand, I'll already be more than happy enough to see them vanish from the public levelranks, so if the only way to realize this properly is to shove them to the Tokens ranks, then... so be it.

[XelNya]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

How is this point entirely irrelevant? Seems pretty relevant to me since the only reason people play most of the public files over and over again is because the public ranks are displayed on profiles. Token ranks are not. It seems a pretty big concern that if you put them in a "hidden" level rank that their amount of plays will drastically decrease as well because it doesn't really "matter".

You, have failed to detect sarcasm.

I say the point is irrelevant however because the idea being purposed is to move them there to keep them out of the public rank, because no one "cares" about this rank. While it is true most do not, that does not mean it is a place to dump simchart levelranks simply for that idea alone. Tokens are supposed to be a reward, lumping in charts there because they're seen as "trash" isn't a solution, in fact it only creates another problem.

How is that the most viable option? You don't like the files but others might for various reasons and not liking a file is not a good enough reason to cut them off entirely (Let's just destroy all of the historic artifacts we found cause they're just silly compared to nowadays technology, right?!).

It is the most viable because they're meant to be an archive. This means that they shouldn't matter and should be there entirely for you to enjoy at your viewing leisure. By adding a levelrank to it, you compulse some "completion" players to complete this "part" of the game. So the best option naturally is to make the charts irrelevant, and there if you wish to play them.

You spout some pseudo-intelligent bias and write it off as fact when all you talk about is -your- perception of the files and your personal agenda to get them removed instead of adding anything constructive. There are plenty of alternatives that are much less invasive, such as creating a legacy rank category. And I agree with I like it about not adding them to token ranks.

My perception of files had no relevance to the idea of removing the oldest 150 charts from ranks entirely. Most of the first 150 charts in the game, are legacy charts. The argument to remove them in the first place is that they aren't "good" charts. The other charts within the first 150, and other specifically mentioned charts, fit the same ideal, they're not synced, they have a background that affects reading, they have an "unreasonable" section and the like.

As to the pseudo-intelligent bias comment, I'll say this, if you actually knew anything about me, you'd know very well I tend to indicate my own biases when I think it interferes.

To show you an example, allow me to rephrase my post, but adding in my own bias, my own agenda and the like.

It's certainly a beast to conquer, but it is better to leave legacy in token ranks so players can appreciate how much the game has changed over time.

Sure lets just move all the other trash there too, we can start with behanjc, xandertrax, yoshl, megamon, charts, and move our way to the more subtle offenders such as Ripoff, everything from dossard, and even some halogen charts that wouldn't have passed the batch in the first place had he actually manned up enough to send them through there in the first place such as Fractured Shitshine. I mean, all of these charts are hell to conquer.

That is what it would look like to a degree if I was doing what you said. Stop trying to deviate the attention from the actual argument.

In short:

This solves all the problems, and keeps a lot of issues from spawning out of the ordeal as well. It works for everyone, not just me. It works for players who seek to "complete" the game, it works for those who focus on ranks, it works for the purpose of the OP of the thread, there isn't a reason to do it another way. Someone can bring one up other than the one I am about to address, then sure, we talk it out. That is how a discussion works is it not?

The only issue that spawns out of this approach is "what about to those who worked hard to AAA them? Does that mean their hard work was worthless?"

To that, I actually don't have a response other than sadly, these are the only people who have any negative thing to say as far as I can tell.

[Xiz]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

Plan B: Make a contest. "FFR Restoration Project"

- Users pick a song, submit it back with the same steps as the original step artist intended.
- Sync it correctly, add colors when needed.
- Small judge team will look over the file.
- If accepted, credits / title / random reward here?

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

plan b: Make a contest. "ffr restoration project"

- users pick a song, submit it back with the same steps as the original step artist intended.
- sync it correctly, add colors when needed.
- small judge team will look over the file.
- if accepted, credits / title / random reward here?

+1111111111111111

edit: and then throw the old files away. Yesssssss
no.
...I wish.

[Charu]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

I wonder how hard it is to find an mp3 of all those songs? In good quality that is, doho

[PaperclipGames]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

Pretty hard, at least in some cases. It may be quite hard to even find some of the artists? I know that Anwar for example had to try really hard to obtain the original SSSG mp3.

[_Fluttershy_]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

I accidentally voted 'No', so you can change my vote to 'Yes' lol! So atm it's 19-10! XD

[ilikexd]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

Plan B: Make a contest. "FFR Restoration Project"

- Users pick a song, submit it back with the same steps as the original step artist intended.
- Sync it correctly, add colors when needed.
- Small judge team will look over the file.
- If accepted, credits / title / random reward here?

why is this is a good idea? most of the steps are just random patterns and misrhythms so there isnt even a way to sync them. it's not like the stepauthors intended anything but messed up, they just put random 16th/whatever patterns whenever there was music.

@ op, if legacy files are public files, they should count toward public ranks
i don't think they should be in the token ranks because they aren't tokens

a legacy section is a decent idea

an even better idea, as charu mentioned (i think), is making the more correctly stepped V2s or making new V2s public, and playing them unlocks the original legacy versions as tokens


edit: that last part didnt make sense

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

So if this gets implemented we can look forward to seeing the Tokens page being 90% v2 Tokens? *sigh*

Seriously, I think the Legacy rank would be the best way to improve competition on Legacy ranks (especially, as I said, if you make the ranks embarrassing and important)

edit: but FFR will do FFR things I suppose. I just think the separate rank would be the most efficient and productive way.

[TheSaxRunner05]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

I accidentally voted 'No', so you can change my vote to 'Yes' lol! So atm it's 19-10! XD

DO NOT BLASPHEME!
Nah that's alright, I'll remember

why is this is a good idea? most of the steps are just random patterns and misrhythms so there isnt even a way to sync them. it's not like the stepauthors intended anything but messed up, they just put random 16th/whatever patterns whenever there was music.

@ op, if legacy files are public files, they should count toward public ranks
i don't think they should be in the token ranks because they aren't tokens

a legacy section is a decent idea

an even better idea, as charu mentioned (i think), is making the more correctly stepped V2s or making new V2s public, and playing them unlocks the original legacy versions as tokens


edit: that last part didnt make sense

We can make replacement files for the songs and have the originals archived somewhere out of the ranks I guess.

Just brainsorming

[ilikexd]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

So if this gets implemented we can look forward to seeing the Tokens page being 90% v2 Tokens? *sigh*

if by v2 you mean legacy versions then no i think 90% is way way off

[mi40]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

hey can we make higher rates like 1.2 record

[shenjoku]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

The only reason I would want the Legacy songs gone is so that people can't pick them in tournaments. It's a super cheese way to get wins since hardly anyone seriously plays them. But then again the same thing can be accomplished by just saying in the rules that you can't pick them so I dunno if it's worth considering just for that reason.

[andy-o24]

Re: Should the Legacy genre no longer count towards public ranks?

Here's what I see happening:

Legacy files are replaced with re-stepped V1s saturating FFR with another 66 files which are all linked to tokens (these tokens being the current legacy files).

Legacy ranks are dumped into Token Level Ranks as a temporary fix and a portion of the community is pleased.

Legacy engine is reviewed and considered obsolete and then deleted.

Legacy files are wrecking the top tier player's Token Level Ranks as they have managed to perfect or nearly perfect every public song and have moved on to the Token Ranks for a sense of further completion.

This debate is brought back up, and the files are moved to a Legacy Level Ranks to please the majority of the community.

No one cares about the Legacy Level Ranks as the files are still *trash*

Legacy files are completely removed from the game to mediate the issues that have been around for a while.


Honestly, place them in a Legacy Level Ranks but please keep the Legacy genre. If they are currently considered to be *trash* files, then there is no need to put them in a pseudo-legitimate rank list. This results in no need for V1/V2 token creation and moves and removes them from the public level ranks which seems to be the main issue. They still deserve to be in the game, regardless of how they hold up to today's standards. Maybe add a section in the FAQ about the Legacy files and tell newer players to just avoid that genre altogether because they aren't up to the current standards.

-o24