TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[Hateandhatred]

I'm done eating and committed until EOD.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Keep in mind Halu would also do that kind of shit as town assuming he would think of it and that's actually what is happening

So I don't think I can follow a Haku vote if that's the only argument

Why in the holy mattress of fax would Haku do this as Town, when he knows there's a 1/3 chance that if he's killed due to PoE or whatever bullshit he has no control over, he might literally end the game for town? Think about it, we are 6 players left, if haku was vengeful spirit and was lynched, we are guaranteed to enter N1 2-2 and we lose the game instantly. There is not a single world I can imagine where he would do this. He would have been better off parking his vote on himself rather than stay as unvote. You know damn well he would have self voted if it came to it, it's haku. In fact, I'm surprised he wasn't already self-voting when talking about asking for sunfan to be unvoted, unless of course it was the holy wolf gambit

I also know this guy like he's my brother, or so I feel like. I would almost guarantee it.

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I'm a good boy, only thc and alcohol for me and maybe shrooms once and maybe coke once but that's it!!

dude shrooms I'm so fucking down dude we would have so much fun and we could add sanz

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Thinking out loud

Ok here show me you're engaging the game in good faith and give me the two potential scum after Haku

Prove you ain't just trying to pick on the person who won't come call you out

I'll try to make a good reads list before 1 hour to EOD. I'm making one regardless, it might just not be overly deep or well written if I'm cutting it tight on time.

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

It's probably just OMGUS refusing to leave my body and soul but Hate sliding me the scum list because I don't "get" his tonfoil on Haku just makes me feel like he's planning to pair Haku and me off in a serious fashion the second i can no longer post

And I fucking hate it

Guys if his entire phase boils down to this one tinfoil and pushing the exact time that announced ahead of time they couldnt make EOD Imma be pretty vexed

I scumread you because I was frustrated with how differently we see this game, and I also genuinely felt like you weren't holding players to the same standards (I think sunfan also brought it up)

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

See my most recent response to MixMasterLar: it it was not an overall readlist and was a "this is how towny/wolfy I think everyone's EoD was" list, essentially!!!

But the melon suspicion at the time was like... just felt like she had the least towny EoD in a somewhat disconnected manner overall; sorry, that's just how I felt at the time!!

Gotcha, that's fine, I'm just not sure why that's relevant or useful, if I interpret it like some postgame commentary on players regardless of actual alignment. But fair enough either way if you were just isolating Raeko, I don't think I share your view, but that checks out at least

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Your town read on leetic is far too strong, all other things equal

Well that's also why I'm scumreading MML (see above reply), I've been neutral to negative on leetic since the game started personally, but everyone disagrees with me, so w/e.

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Reread this a couple times and like... I'm still not really sure where you're coming from?

Regarding your Haku suspicion overall... on one hand, it's risky in the sense that multiple people have talked about hard towning them; the mafia agenda path for actually eliminating them here narrows drastically for you to suspect them, with that!!! However, it's also notable that Haku is not here to defend themselves, which does make them a bit of an easy push, regardless of whether you can get them killed here or not!!

I just like... am finding it difficult to believe that you're weighting Haku not voting here that heavily; it doesn't matter that my vote didn't have much weight, when we'd previously discussed the whole issues of leaving 2 votes on someone possibly losing us the entire game if they're the Freikugel!!!! Real talk, did you fully read that conversation that happened earlier today, between me/Haku/Leetic regarding Haku's vote? I understand it's possible that you could have skimmed it and missed the details; would ask you to go back and reread that if so please, as it is very important in understanding why they may not have voted there as town!!!!

Also I do realize in retrospect that I just shouldn't have voted at the time, since Haku hadn't voted yet, to give them the vote space; sorry about that Haku!!!!!

I am tinfoiling Haku hard because we've had a very close relationship for like a decade and a half and I know this is exactly how he would play this out in this position. Even people who aren't having daily interactions with him have played with him long enough to know he would be cooking this shit up in wolfchat nonchalantly while talking about the reality that he's not going to be around for half the phase and already benefits from an immense amount of town cred in order to lock the game to his benefit, assuming we don't nail the other wolf instead.

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

The issue I have with this logic is that... both of the other people around at SoD (me/Leetic) expressed thoughts that we heavily townread Haku, and Haku hadn't been getting suspected at all - this sentence lives under the assumption that we would have tried to get Haku killed at all? Which like.. hypothetically if Haku is mafia, then they would be winning regardless of whether they voted here or not (as long as they don't vote their partner); them voting or not voting just is not significant at all, in that aspect!!!

The thing is that I'm not sure whether this is mafia!logic trying to eliminate town that can't defend themselves, or town!logic that just has a bit of a narrow view; currently leaning towards the former a bit though, because if Haku is town (and your logic does not dissuade me of that notion), then this is just straight up a very mafia-sided course of action to take!!

Again, what haku said is good, what haku did is bad. One of them is potentially all baloney, the other is tangible indisputable info. We know for a fact he parked himself on bugkid the entire phase and now isn't voting, regardless of how it was phrased, and he knew he wouldn't be around for EOD. We also know that he is keenly aware of the danger of not voting as HE BROUGHT IT UP HIMSELF! Even a stupid KITB setup could spell doom for town if he stayed unvoted, was lynched and was the vengeful spirit. None of those things are things he could defend himself on. I'm not accusing him of doing these things for bad reasons, I'm accusing him of doing these things at all based on the info we can actually track. I don't care if he was himself the gospel of truth, he could not defend that he stayed unvoted despite knowing the risk, and there's only one reason why he would do that. Unless he just misplayed extremely bad, but that's just unbelievable.

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Hateandhatred, here's a question for when you're around: let's say hypothetically Haku gets hypothermia and dies right now, flipping town!!! Who do you think is mafia in this situation?

Right now, thesunfan. I actually think part of him is trying to get sympathy from me right now and I think he's who makes the most sense since it means haku would have been solo wolfing for phase 1. I swear he told me FFR TWG wolfchat was off usually then brought up me potentially wolfchatting in the last 5 minutes before claiming (and to entertain the idea even a little, fuck off sunfan I would obviously know to claim vt as wolf, what is even the alternative), and I might be reading too much into it, but I think that question has slip potential in the first place.

But assuming Haku flipped town somehow... Probably still sunfan. My worldview of the game changes a lot (and I promise to further consider alternatives in a world where haku isn't straight up wolfing before EOD), it's just hard when y'all act like I'm crazy and predating on someone because they're not here when it's almost the equivalent to me of scumming a seer who got a red check on someone because the person can't defend themselves.

But yeah, sunfan, the last wolfchat question I thought was crap and that's why I fetched the rulechange I had to make in the previous TWG specifically because he told me that, though that's more a stretch.

Next is MML. Don't understand his skewed views, don't understand how he didn't want to vote off weiss/sunfan last round, but it's not so scummy than it is "I don't get it and I hate that".

Leetic I still think is very shallow and performative and treats the game more like a game manager than a player and he prolly takes the third spot.

Are you happy now?

Originally Posted by leetic

Everything

So are you going to address my wall post or not? I'm especially referring to the Haku thing.