TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Sorry, I've been consistently mispronouning (?) you, I'll try to do better. English is not my first language and I might slip up, I apologize in advance if I do =)

Not a big deal, I hadn't specified previously!!

Still reading through your post a bit, and like... hmm; actually I'll get into it a bit later!!!

Do appreciate the effort regardless though!!!!

[MixMasterLar]

Ara I totally forgot it was she/her, my apologies

I response to your post, I just find it odd to write a reads lists on everyone right after EOD when you know that the night flips will give greater context to make updated reads. Is that something you normally do?

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

It was supposed to be about someone's vote on leetic and how they should be sussing someone for that vote, when it was clearly, clearly a joke vote and I am not sure how town ara could have had that thought process but
Maybe it wasn't ara
I'll look again when I get back to a computer in like 90 minutes or so

I don't have a ton on ara but ara and leetic are the least townie to me

I don't think anyone has voted leetic this game? I could be misremembering, though!!

[leetic]

Alright, the thing that made me busy is (mostly) over. It'll still be a few before I have my laptop but I should be able to check in at least

[leetic]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

I don't think anyone has voted leetic this game? I could be misremembering, though!!

sunfan, apparently, for reasons that aren't exactly clear

[MixMasterLar]

SunFan you are going to have to really sell me on Leetic with like five Nat 20 rolls back to back on persuasion


Also @HnH: fucking lol

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by leetic

sunfan, apparently, for reasons that aren't exactly clear

Birthday vote originally
Might evolve into the person who I think is the least townie but I will need to reread some stuff

[leetic]

Anyway, we need to talk about claiming. The thing is that it's possible that the wolves already know who the Freikugel is (if Hate is town, they've narrowed it down to two people best-case scenario) and in those worlds there's not much for town to gain by keeping the Freikugel hidden. On the other hand, if the Freikugel used the ninja ability they should probably stay hidden as it's possible for the wolves to be mislead in that case.

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Birthday vote originally
Might evolve into the person who I think is the least townie but I will need to reread some stuff

Wonderful present thank you

[MixMasterLar]

Originally Posted by leetic

Anyway, we need to talk about claiming. The thing is that it's possible that the wolves already know who the Freikugel is (if Hate is town, they've narrowed it down to two people best-case scenario) and in those worlds there's not much for town to gain by keeping the Freikugel hidden. On the other hand, if the Freikugel used the ninja ability they should probably stay hidden as it's possible for the wolves to be mislead in that case.

I dont know if I'm for this plan. I think there's merit to staying hidden

Merit i do not wish to discuss

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

Ara I totally forgot it was she/her, my apologies

I response to your post, I just find it odd to write a reads lists on everyone right after EOD when you know that the night flips will give greater context to make updated reads. Is that something you normally do?

To clarify, it was not a reads list of where my head was at at the time; it was essentially noting down my observations of how people felt specifically at EoD - different from how I felt about everyone at the time, I'd probably have had melon up a tier overall at SoD!!!

I did it right after EoD because that was when it was most fresh in my mind, and yes I frequently revisit EoDs to see how people acted; if I'm going to do any reading during night phase, reviewing EoD in light of the most recent flip is typically always the first thing I do!! Just useful for seeing how people act when under pressure, where they can sometimes be more likely to show their true colours!!

Sure, I could have just not posted the parts about the people who died; however when I've done this in the past, I've had people then ask me about what I thought about dead people often enough that I find it faster to just post those parts pre-emptively!! Also, I prefer just putting all my thought processes out in the thread anyway for transparency; maybe it'd be helpful for someone else, who knows!!!

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by leetic

sunfan, apparently, for reasons that aren't exactly clear

Right yeah, I haven't mentioned yet - happy birthday!!!!! Hope you had a hype day!!!

[MixMasterLar]

It's probably just OMGUS refusing to leave my body and soul but Hate sliding me the scum list because I don't "get" his tonfoil on Haku just makes me feel like he's planning to pair Haku and me off in a serious fashion the second i can no longer post

And I fucking hate it

Guys if his entire phase boils down to this one tinfoil and pushing the exact time that announced ahead of time they couldnt make EOD Imma be pretty vexed

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

Birthday vote originally
Might evolve into the person who I think is the least townie but I will need to reread some stuff

I thought it was pretty clear that it was a meme "it's his birthday? Let's jump on him for the memes" type of thing, shrug!!!


That being said, you did have the "Leetic is stinky" message in your earlier post that I was questioning; maybe you're thinking of that?

[MixMasterLar]

So many typos and attempted autocorrects but the one I wanna correct is time should be team

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Speaking of which, in post #402, Ara posted an updated reads list. I think it pretty much reflects the current state of the game, but somehow put raeko with me in the bottom. I don't think they were particularly suspicious of her prior, just putting her in the middle, which echoes my feelings, mostly because she's just a very difficult player to read. I'm going to refrain from judging this directly because I was critical of bugkid from shifting the same way and it backfired, but it's interesting they would post this even after the flip. I just don't really know what to think of it, so Ara, can you elaborate? You said you liked her bug vote the least, and I can see why, but we were the two wagons and she specifically started liking my post more when I started responding directly. Is there anything else?

See my most recent response to MixMasterLar: it it was not an overall readlist and was a "this is how towny/wolfy I think everyone's EoD was" list, essentially!!!

But the melon suspicion at the time was like... just felt like she had the least towny EoD in a somewhat disconnected manner overall; sorry, that's just how I felt at the time!!

[leetic]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

I dont know if I'm for this plan. I think there's merit to staying hidden

Merit i do not wish to discuss

Maybe. I suppose the problem is you don't want the wolves to know what abilities the Freikugel has remaining. Having a definitive answer on who was the wolf kill and who was the Vig kill would be nice though and ideally if it's going to be revealed this phase it's not at last minute

[FreezinIce]

Votecount

thesunfan (1): Arapocalypse
leetic (1): thesunfan

I...don't think there have been any new votes? Correct me if I'm wrong

EOD in ~3 hours

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by MixMasterLar

SunFan you are going to have to really sell me on Leetic with like five Nat 20 rolls back to back on persuasion


Also @HnH: fucking lol

Your town read on leetic is far too strong, all other things equal

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

I honestly have to vote for Hakulyte as it stands. He's the one who brought up how dangerous it is to not vote and didn't want to park a vote on sunfan despite knowing he will be absent. What I think is going on here is that he thinks there's a chance we won't lynch him because of the fact that he hasn't a vote. He's also being a LOT more involved so far than he was the previous day (which was notoriously off for Haku), and he's many players' top town right now, so I think this comes from a place of safety. He did give the reasoning that sunfan already had a vote and would only vote if ara unvoted, but I don't buy it considering how weak the vote on sunfan actually was, and sunfan lived because of this very principle. All the wolves need to do is pull it off one more day and they probably lock in the game. I do think he's been playing a great, useful game for us. He's kept every single player in his line of suspicion and has only voted for Bugkid in d0. He is in a great position to leverage his trust capital in order to steer the game, and therefore, I think he's the primary lynch candidate for today. If you reread him in iso, it seems to me that there's a good chance he has spent the game farming sympathy and suspicion in equal measure. Knowing Haku very personally, I think that's his gameplan here. At least judging by mechanics and flips, I can't see anything else.

I also think Thesunfan is the other wolf. There's obviously nothing indicating this in the meta, other than the fact that Weiss completely ghosted the game and wolves apparently are demotivated when they roll it. Not only that, but the aforementionned haku plan and behavior works best for him if he's solo wolfing, which is what would have happened during d0 due to the absence of Weiss. I think the threat of parking the vote on sunfan itself is nothing but a soft bussing just in case something went wrong, and even then, he didn't even commit to it, and again, this makes a lot of sense if we look at this behavior like he was justifying it by requesting ara to unvote. The ONLY thing that I don't understand is why we are both alive. I don't know what the freikugel was thinking if both myself and sunfan are alive. It's ok for them to believe that I wasn't a target, but the people who weren't interested in killing me in d0 were definitely interested in killing weiss, due to inactivity and other dynamic. I don't understand how they could pick raeko or roundbox over me and weiss/sunfan, and I think this is much more likely to make sense if sunfan is the freikugel, as they themselves are not an option and it becomes me vs others. However, that also implies that weiss ghosted a game with such a fantastic omega cool role, and while everyone enjoys the game for their own reason, I decide that this isn't likely. I also don't know how sunfan picks either raeko or roundbox here, but sunfan is a galaxy brained player compared to me, so... yeah. I don't think there's a scenario where sunfan is a VT here, so let's proceed with caution, but for now, I think Haku is who I would like to go down.

I will now go eat and expand on things I didn't touch when I'm back, but like, plz don't accuse me of not giving a fuck, I'm trying rly hard to play right especially since I should prolly be doing homework lul

Reread this a couple times and like... I'm still not really sure where you're coming from?

Regarding your Haku suspicion overall... on one hand, it's risky in the sense that multiple people have talked about hard towning them; the mafia agenda path for actually eliminating them here narrows drastically for you to suspect them, with that!!! However, it's also notable that Haku is not here to defend themselves, which does make them a bit of an easy push, regardless of whether you can get them killed here or not!!

I just like... am finding it difficult to believe that you're weighting Haku not voting here that heavily; it doesn't matter that my vote didn't have much weight, when we'd previously discussed the whole issues of leaving 2 votes on someone possibly losing us the entire game if they're the Freikugel!!!! Real talk, did you fully read that conversation that happened earlier today, between me/Haku/Leetic regarding Haku's vote? I understand it's possible that you could have skimmed it and missed the details; would ask you to go back and reread that if so please, as it is very important in understanding why they may not have voted there as town!!!!

Also I do realize in retrospect that I just shouldn't have voted at the time, since Haku hadn't voted yet, to give them the vote space; sorry about that Haku!!!!!