TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[roundbox]

On Zenith and ymia: I don't think his list was necessarily as forced as you're making it out to be. Yes, ymia might need to do more defending and have better reasoning, but I think the post makes sense given his situation. He's tied at the top lynch slot, so he needs to come up with lynch alternatives because if he sticks in defense mode, people will come after him.

His read on you is fine.
His read on YoshL is okay but is very underdeveloped
His read on AA is bland and a little tied to OMGUS and the fact he has the three of you as the wolf crew.
DaBackpack stuff does not come out of the blue, in my opinion. He is one of the more common names being tossed around for a lynch and it fits in with the context of the post.

I might consider jumping on a ymia lynch if he doesn't make any developments but I will look into more people later when I'm done with school, namely Red Blaster and Xelnya.

Where's rzr and James May?

[roundbox]

See you guys in 4 hours

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by roundbox

On Zenith and ymia: I don't think his list was necessarily as forced as you're making it out to be. Yes, ymia might need to do more defending and have better reasoning, but I think the post makes sense given his situation. He's tied at the top lynch slot, so he needs to come up with lynch alternatives because if he sticks in defense mode, people will come after him.

His read on you is fine.
His read on YoshL is okay but is very underdeveloped
His read on AA is bland and a little tied to OMGUS and the fact he has the three of you as the wolf crew.
DaBackpack stuff does not come out of the blue, in my opinion. He is one of the more common names being tossed around for a lynch and it fits in with the context of the post.

I might consider jumping on a ymia lynch if he doesn't make any developments but I will look into more people later when I'm done with school, namely Red Blaster and Xelnya.

Where's rzr and James May?

If you aren't referring to me in bolded, then right there is a false statement. He only has 1 vote (myself) compared to me (three against).

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

If you aren't referring to me in bolded, then right there is a false statement. He only has 1 vote (myself) compared to me (three against).

Wow I'm brain dead
I do remember he was at 3 votes at one point. The point still stands that he is one of the top suspects on many players' lists

[rzr]

you twats better give me more than a day here, yesterday was a shit show with buying that car. I'm here lookin up stuff

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Because if you're really trying to push your 97% certainty that YMIA is scum I think you would've tried to argue with round and convince him otherwise (ie that your reads were right and his refutation of them are wrong) instead of arguing a minor, almost semantic point.

I mean I want to say that when round said his point about myself that he was also incorporating his own reads on that point because if you really read ymia's wolf reads list then you can see a majority of the content is tinfoil.

I can agree to the YoshL read to a point. It is still pretty forced imo because YoshL has plenty of posts so why not use the rest of the posts instead of a handful.

Rounds point on AA is shaky because it is minimal. "A little OMGUS..." doesn't apply to AA here but more-than-likely myself since I'm his top and he is my top. I also think AA leans town with what is given and he applied typical counter-pressure from YoshL calling him on a "slip".

Roundbox also must have glazed over ymia specifically in the first line of the post say "Zenith/YoshL/AA" without specifying other players; just us. Seeing how the majority of ymia's post is about who he thinks is suspicious, I don't see why ymia wouldn't have included DBP unless he solely is denouncing us three as a possible wolf team. The DBP section imo is utterly forced to breadcrumb if he survives longer than two phases (and the chance DBP can be a wolf which I doubt currently).

Don't get me wrong, Round brought good points after a bad early post but this one post is being judged by now multiple people; adding more voice to the general situation of ymia. We can easily both be right or wrong but I'm not going to back down against ymia. I want him lynched this phase.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I didn't have a single useful post prior to today, but that's not me trying to be neutral. You're thinking too hard; I was actually just piss-drunk.

But I guess that's fine.

This post alarms me.

I would imagine if ymia was town that he would show more reluctance in admitting his self-uselessness but instead try to correct the matter and actually try to hunt here.

He gives V the open invitation to scrutinize him which in itself is a bad move and he explicitly states "...but that's not me trying to be neutral.".

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

xel why do you think yoshl is town? does his play read as normal/non-scummy to you? Also you keep saying that you think your opinion is useless, seems like a different form of hedging language. whether or not you think your opinion is useless is mostly irrelevant, just give it because it doesn't hurt town

Yoshl is one of those players that can do stuff without it really going either way

Yeah sticking to the SK thing so hard earlier can be kinda not good, but yoshl kinda hammering something into the ground isn't new? At least it doesn't feel that way. It feels more like he said something and committed to it.

Originally Posted by roundbox

On Zenith and ymia: I don't think his list was necessarily as forced as you're making it out to be. Yes, ymia might need to do more defending and have better reasoning, but I think the post makes sense given his situation. He's tied at the top lynch slot, so he needs to come up with lynch alternatives because if he sticks in defense mode, people will come after him.

His read on you is fine.
His read on YoshL is okay but is very underdeveloped
His read on AA is bland and a little tied to OMGUS and the fact he has the three of you as the wolf crew.
DaBackpack stuff does not come out of the blue, in my opinion. He is one of the more common names being tossed around for a lynch and it fits in with the context of the post.

I might consider jumping on a ymia lynch if he doesn't make any developments but I will look into more people later when I'm done with school, namely Red Blaster and Xelnya.

Where's rzr and James May?

Ehhhhh.

Originally Posted by rzr

you twats better give me more than a day here, yesterday was a shit show with buying that car. I'm here lookin up stuff

Geez why so maddo here?

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

OMGUS

I'll fuckin' hit yah mate.

[XelNya]

Wait am I online at the same time as any of you for once, how nice.

[Red Blaster]

So I've looked at yo man in iso and I'm not really seeing much to convince me he's scummy, I've rarely had the opportunity to play with ymia so I can't say I have an established meta to base his actions/posts off of and formulate reads one way or the other.
If anything his drunk posts read, to me, as fake as fuck given the general lack of misspellings despite being "crossfaded"..but this is essentially a moot point.
I honestly want to give him benefit of the doubt and say he's just shaking off the twg rust since this is his first game since like Manti's Mystery Game way back whenever that was.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

So I've looked at yo man in iso and I'm not really seeing much to convince me he's scummy, I've rarely had the opportunity to play with ymia so I can't say I have an established meta to base his actions/posts off of and formulate reads one way or the other.
If anything his drunk posts read, to me, as fake as fuck given the general lack of misspellings despite being "crossfaded"..but this is essentially a moot point.
I honestly want to give him benefit of the doubt and say he's just shaking off the twg rust since this is his first game since like Manti's Mystery Game way back whenever that was.

Hard to see much to see someone as scummy when there isn't much there.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hard to see much to see someone as scummy when there isn't much there.

Exactly my point.
Which is why I don't see how others ARE coming up with scumreads on him.

[XelNya]

But that's just boring.

[YoshL]

the difference would have been playing with ymia much more than you've even seen him, redbahster

[rzr]

Okay, let's see what we can break down here.
Starting where I left off, just wanna note that any suspicions I've had on roundbox earlier are temporarily quelled while I search here. I see round commenting on my non-voteliness and just wanna say this is me attempting to change my meta. I've had 3 games with you guys, the first one I was killed n1 and the next 2 I was scum. So I'm trying hard to be one across-the-board guy because it's frustrating getting lynched from "the tone of my posts." That's why I gotta create a persona or something for you guys to attach to so I don't just always seem scummy. I really don't wanna have to throw out a vote at this point because it looks like I've been convinced or I'm just "going with the flow." But this isn't about me, so moving on.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

V made the original post suggesting that I would be a SK candidate based on posting style --- not about the actual logistics of the game setup

as far as I'm concerned, that's where the suspicions are coming from, not that you actually have reason to assume that a SK exists

and thus I don't really care because it's a waste of human computation in my eyes

This I agree with. I noticed while Yosh and Zenith were going at it that Yosh didn't seem to be pressing as hard as he was with Charu last time. Doeesn't seem like a lot, but given where I'm at right now it's worth an ISO. The concept of DBP being SK seems.. arbitrary? Though I suppose it is fair for PoE. Either way, DBP leans more toewn to me than Yosh.

Not gonna single these quotes out, but on page 20 Zenith and DBP both seem defensive, and for little reason.

Originally Posted by roundbox

And yet you join me on a vote on AA?

I noticed this. And it seemed at the perfect time, just enough accusations flying around for it to not seem wagony.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

oh roundbox had one on too unvote

So yeah. Wagony.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

What are you basing this off of? The last TWG, which you hosted btw, I didn't really say or do shit early on and I was a human..so if anything you are kinda contradicting meta. I did also say I was at a music festival so that would kinda explain my not being here yesterday, although I did make an effort to let you all know what was going on but you must've glossed over that..or consciously omitted it from your read on me.

I'd usually like to give RB the benefit of the doubt. Last game when people were pushing him hard, he went along with it very smoothly and took criticism well. This seems far more defensive, which for me is a major flag.

Originally Posted by YoshL

everyone is waving red flags this game for some reason

I think we al lneed to take a seat lol.

This is my response to post 436, since it's so long to quote:

1. RB, what the fuck man I'm so jealous how the hell can you see Jane's Addictoin and Wu Tang on the same stage!!!
2. From what you said about Yosh I would tend to agree Zenith/yosh or Zenith/Yosh
3. So what is it that you're saying about roundbox? His actions seem to contradict his words? If he wants us to target whoever is rolehunting, than why, if you say he is doing that, don't you target him for that?
4. I've vocalized my thoughts on roundbox's entrance. He doesn't seem phased by it, which bothered me at first. Now I see him more nuetral, acting/prodding as he was last game ish. I'm not going to bother commenting on my voting phiosophy anymore, I'll just take what everyone said into consideration. I should say though, that you are right and I believe I hjave addressed this that I'm trying to re-establish my meta. Anyway, I would also like to mention I don't want "anyone running with my thoughts" because of how early this is. I don't seem to offer much that you guys bother to discuss, so from my POV throwing out my thoughts with everyone else would just get them after me (like before). That's why I'm leaving them all for this post mostly. Also, I'd be wary of a wolf rush at any phase. Kinda my point. If we have 3 wolves that are already very convincing steering the game (i.e. what if it is Z/yosh) than someone like me, who's thoughts are subject to change more frequently than you guys I'd say, could have their opinion swayed more easily by the wolves. So I keep to myself if I can. I'll ISO roundbox if you want, but I think I made my point here.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Nah

I like your tenacity. Lotta hypocrisy around here.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

no I don't like multiquoting because I lose my train of thought more easily.

on page 8 now

Just put it all in notrepad that's what I do, it helps the rest of us lol.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

rzr: reasoning for not voting is terrible but not alignment indicative. why is it that here you have yoshl town and roundbox null but then if yoshl is scum roundbox is as well? given that roundbox has barely posted anything at this point it's an odd association. impression management holy shit, why do you care so much about people reading you differently? this could be a town very concerned about looking town but it's more scummy because as town you should be scumhunting instead of focusing on how you look. slight scum lean

I'm not taking this very seriously. I've already described my impression management before this game, and why I'm doing it, so if you have any questions after you read that we'll go from there. I will say my points on roundbox were that he came out more aggresively that expected, and that he seemed to meld with Yosh at the time, so I would put them closer to being aligned than the zenith/yosh or zenith/roundbox table.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

regarding the SK thing, I probably didn't handle it well, I thought I'd rather not attract a lot of attention to myself but that backfired tremendously

): that's the first post you had that makes me think you're full of it. As much as I don't want to get into it, I'd say yosh may be right. Either that or you're a wolf who didn't want attention, and are now aofting to backtrack, but idk.

Originally Posted by YoshL

as soon as people acknowledge that you're the sk

Why? Reminds me of charu bussing storn.

Originally Posted by YoshL

yeah, except it took like a year and a half for you to actually say it holy fuck lol

i still don't see AA doing much other than riding the "yoshl's a wolf" wagon. his "reads" list is much more of a commentary after actually deciding to skim

My problem with this is that I agree, and that contradicts the vibe I get on yosh.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you're very touchy this game, the only thing similar about your playstyle to your other games is your aggression focused on a single player

But I'll ride this one instead. The point about yosh usually focusing his aggressin on a single player reasonates with me. I do see yosh as being a bit more defeensive as a whole, and not so much pressing his issues (escept the sk one), where it seemed to me that once Yosh had something to run with, he would until it was solid or dead.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

alright so one of my wolf suspects does not comment on my other two wolf suspects

I know it's early to start looking at wolf teams, and this is highly conditional on flips, but if I had to guess, I think Xel/YoshL/(maybe YMIA) is my current guess

I need to see if YoshL has made any mention to these characters early on, because he sure has acknowledged everyone else


In addition to everything else stated about YoshL, it was weird how he backed off of me just by me saying "I'm not the SK", which indicates that either he believes me, or that he was looking for a reason to lay off me so he could get off the sinking ship

I think this is an excellent point, reinforces DBP on my town side for now. Is it not strange for yosh to keep certain names from his vocabulary? Is it not strange for him to push the sk thing so hard, and then just walk away from it? Like I already said, why is role hunting for the sk so important anyway? I'm not targetting yosh, just seeing more content about him than from him.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I want to place pressure on rzr right now. I reread some of his posts and reread my read on him and something didn't add up. A synopsis of this new read is his defensive tone when he had earlier pressure into leaving (unless I missed his post saying he wouldn't be around today) abruptly. It seems uncharacteristic of him unless warranted is what I'm getting at.

This is false, you're doing this to keep the train moving. Your last post inquired about your vote status, impression management? And with nobody replying to it, you throw this out there. There's a lot more to work with Zenith, voting for me for the same reason everyone else has thrown around is a cop out.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I expect a reaction from rzr

Hope ya got what ya came for.

Originally Posted by YoshL

read rest of posts pls

]Before you say this, let's just assume we all have and go from there. I understand how cracking the game would be the big deal breaker for us, but it is definitely worth noting the hunt.

Originally Posted by choof

copout

ninja'd

Originally Posted by YoshL

i do believe that i've gone after zenith regardless of my own alignment, and regardless of his, so narrowing down to "this interaction probably has a wolf in it" is very shallow.

D-, show your work

This kinda mmakes me think you're the sk, not that it matters..

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Zenith/Yoshl/AA

Zenith is now, on top of all of his earlier low-quality posting, trying to mindmeld with people around him by giving me a "slight-wolf lean", also simultaneously tied to me voting him. Note Zenith gives AA mild town and yoshl completely null.

Yoshl is pushing his points to the grave and is super accusational. "So you're not denying x....." has been said at least 4 times in some form or another. pretty sure he also gave me a "slight-wolf lean" mindmelding, I also mentioned that I was suspicious, albeit a little, in my Zenith vote post so that likely had something to do with that.

AA's big analysis posts are even more general and irrelevant than Xelnya's, and from what I understand he is more than capable of producing well thought out posts. Note that in his "read" post, 481, he basically says that Zenith is playing poorly, but gives him a town lean, votes yoshl, and leans me scum.

I literally don't care about DBP today, I don't see him as wolf currently today so I see no reason to belabor any more of that argument. At this point everyone needs to focus on actual lynch targets. Less about how "everyone feels", and more who's a good lynch target. I don't want D0 to end up us trying to rush a lynch at the end of the day, I want a lynch that makes sense.

I think any of those 3 above are worth lynching today.

Do you have thoughts on the other players? Or perhaps comments on what they've said about you? I'd agree with most of this, but that doesn't mean I see you as any townier.

Originally Posted by roundbox

Two things: are you going to pursue this for the lynch?

Second:

Feel free to read the rest of his posts from that game (http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...6&pp=50&page=6), it looks like any of his other human games (even the one we just played http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...&pp=50&page=10 where he DIDN'T callsign properly). I can't find anything really striking between the two.

I would like to ask right here, does this seem like the amount of diggina normal roundbox would do? I don't know his meta like that, but it seems like an awful lotta trouble to go through for scum, esp d0 with no heat on him. Town points I'd say.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

One last thing, ymia tone change is interesting, seems like he's responding to pressure finally

Dunno if I'd say it's repsonsive as much as just getting something on the table.

Originally Posted by XelNya

This is me throwing my computer into the wall right now.

Because I was about halfway through another post and then all of a sudden notepad decided to fuckin' close.

Like, for fuckin' real.

That's why I keep ctrl+v ing everything when I go back and forth from pad to browser, so it's always in the clipboard.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Can you stop calling me ass blaster btw

It is better than clown pee

[rzr]

stopping on page 31 cuz I've been at this for almost 2 fuckin hours reading the thread and my wife just got home so I'm gonna start dinner and smoke a damn blunt then I'll come back, I pretty much halted at Xel's giant post. Be back in like an hour

[rzr]

at this time I'd be more inclined to put a vote on Zenith, because I don't trust a lot of his reasoning
or ymia because he seems to be skirting the line between actually solving/interrogating and just putting something out there to get by

[rzr]

so ymia

[rzr]

choof

[rzr]

plop