TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Also for those of you who think that my posts should be better because "normally he plays better than this" don't give me that shit, I've gotten that same argument several games in a row which makes it useless because the standard that my posts are being held to has apparently shifted

If you're going to read me then do it with some basis instead of saying vague sentences
Also look at the posts I write

[AragakiAyase]

Oh look I'm posting while half asleep I should get town points for being comfortable

[XelNya]

I'm home now.

[XelNya]

If someone has something they really want me to respond to I'll do it if you catch me before I go to sleep. But first, need to read things.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by XelNya

If someone has something they really want me to respond to I'll do it if you catch me before I go to sleep. But first, need to read things.

I did not have a pleasant day at work though, so don't expect me to be nice about it if you cheese cake it up

[XelNya]

This is me throwing my computer into the wall right now.

Because I was about halfway through another post and then all of a sudden notepad decided to fuckin' close.

Like, for fuckin' real.

[XelNya]

Sigh, time to start over I guess.

[XelNya]

Hi ass blaster.

[XelNya]

Care to inquire anything in particular?

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

personally I think slank cover is fine if you propose it far in advance

scummier when "hey I g2g to a concert now"

How is there any fucking difference in the two scenarios other than me already being there as it started before we were even allowed to post in the game thread, but letting you all know what's up when I had some downtime, and choof saying "I'll be going somewhere in a bit"?

Fuck you and your double standards.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Care to inquire anything in particular?

Not really. I'm just catching up and seeing a lot of arguing about stuff YoshL has said.
It's kinda like watching someone beat a dead horse.

[Red Blaster]

Can you stop calling me ass blaster btw

[XelNya]

Ok so, I am gonna make a reads list really quick. Buuuuut before my computer shits on me again:

Originally Posted by roundbox

pretty sure you should give the game rules a reread

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Originally Posted by DaBackpack

what are your thoughts on the game so far?

lames zenith cake blaster are all equal tiers of fucking useless

choof is playin' the choof game so he's prob town

Yoshl's prob town

You're not comin off as scummy but it could be good sk cover because your interests to a point meld with town's.

Originally Posted by Vendetta21

Uhh we aren't playing a zero sum game of aggression like we're trying to catch liars and you... Uhh... Do that by being yourself?

But that's just boring.

Plus everyone gets mad when all I post is gifs.

Originally Posted by YoshL

everyone is waving red flags this game for some reason

Originally Posted by YoshL

it's more so that the phrase "red flag" has been for some reason primed in everyone's minds and now it's being tossed around like a hot potato

So has the words "Data point" or any derivative of it.

Ya'll caught the Zenith, we're gonna need to quarantine you before you all become useless shits.

/not sorry

Originally Posted by YoshL

in the end, it looks like dabackpack said it first, and everyone else was saying red flag in response to other people saying red flag

probably just confirmation bias, me thinking that it's been said a lot more than it has, and reading the phrase in like 10 other quoted messages and w/e

if it's interesting to you as a data point then ????? cause i don't make anything out of it lol

SEE.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

And finally on Xel's post, well that was more of an "This is different" type of thing. I'm not really used to seeing Xel put so much effort, although to be honest he probably puts more effort into his yuru-yuri gif posting :P, into the game that early. Has anyone seen Xel play like this in early game before?

My opinion is useless here, but fuck it, you're gonna get it anyway. As if you made a crappy simfile or something.

1. I have not done that sort of thing in recent games that I can recall, no.
2. I wouldn't say that post took a lot of effort. In fact I'd have to agree with choof later and say it's really more white noise, which is what I said it'd be was my shit posting condensed into one post rather than you know, the onslaught of them I tend to post.
3. The question here, is that do you think that difference is bad or good? What's it indicating to you? Do I feel scummy after telling you it's more white noise than you credited it for?

Note: question 3 assumes my opinion on it meant anything. Which it doesn't.

Originally Posted by choof

I know rabbits are skittish, but fuck, son



cool, that post mindmelds mostly everyone's thoughts
what do you think about shit that happened after xel's big post

I guess this is a decent reason to back-track a little and respond to something I don't think I responded to

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Wait a minute, do you really think I was the data point roundbox was talking about? His speculation didn't even bring me into the equation whatsoever lmao.

And what are you finding weird because this section of your post replies to Roundbox saying we have one data point and speculation has no reasoning at the time of that posting. Fuck, it wasn't even speculation; it was stating the obvious. I would like an explanation from you, Xel, about why you felt above is weird.

No. I was making a joke at how you're usually the only person who tends to call things in game data points.

Which is why I'm gonna keep harping on it.

--- finally caught back up to where I was the first time, yay. ---

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

307: I thought xel's big post had some decent content in it, why do you just label it as white noise?

after that I will come up with reads

Originally I remembered the post as being mostly white noise, and tbh I still say it's a majority white noise so the comment's fair.

However my question as of reading this is where be your reads... Do they show up later or...

Originally Posted by YoshL

i feel wholy underwhelmed by AA

regardless of him needing to shit

Can't say I disagree here.

AA is a player who even on kinda quick skims seems to do a fair amount of analysis and the one time I think he was more quiet and such he was actually scum if my memory recalls.

So I can't say that post sat well with me the first time I saw it.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

because I'm not the SK and talking about the SK like this is stupid

I dunno, I think HUNTING the SK here is bad and not a good use of time, but I can't say being cautious of it is bad. Nor is it bad to talk about because then it does create more conversation and more data - NO I WILL NOT SAY IT.

But you knew that.

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

So far I'm feeling comfortable calling choof town. Not only has he kept up his activity but he's not posting bland commentary or making weak gestures in ambiguous directions or asking questions with obvious answers for the sake of asking questions like he's tended to do as scum in the past. He's doing quote wall analysis stuff but in between he's also active in pursuing specific aims. I can follow his line of thoughts and they seem genuine.

Also feeling that dap is town based on his tone and line of thinking. He's interjecting and suggesting things just as I'm used to him doing. Round is also town in my eyes. Last game I was convinced he was scum because his posts didn't seem like they had any true purpose to him, but this game I'm seeing him prodding and asking questions and connecting dots rather than just commentarying and cherrypicking quotes/shit to say. That's not to say that his big posts/quote walls make him human because it's his town meta though...he could make a mashi-level quote wall and still be scummy. It all depends on what he says rather than how much he says or in what way he says it.

I agree on everybody saying AA is way off/abnormally quiet but has he been in the thread much? I know he's stayed out of the most recent TWGs or struggled with ones he was in because of school taking up his time, so maybe his play here reflects that?

Xel had a decent analysis post early on but has dropped off. I think he's playing his wolf game so far, but it's still early in the game. I'm waiting to see him put in that afterwork work. I think he's an important player to keep an eye on.

I felt similarly to V with his point about YMIA just tossing out the zenith suspicions/vote without any real intention of doing anything with it. It was like he made a bunch of commentary, saw that most of his suspicions in that commentary revolved around zenith and then threw a vote there just for the sake of it. It was like somebody following a script of what they should do to appear town rather than a towny doing it for the sake of catching wolves.

Meld with you on the choof read. I feel pretty comfortable saying if Choof smells scum he's gonna go ham on it, rather than trying to carefully throw someone under the bus.

... I meld again on DBP. But it's less of a "what I'm used to" thing in my case. It feels like he's trying to have town not stray from the course too hard.

I don't have a solid read on rounds, I need to go reread him alone again and get my own opinion on that one.

Not gonna argue myself really. I wanna try somethin' a bit different because having such a clear meta annoys the piss out of me. But different seldom goes well.

V read is kinda hard for me to do. I haven't a clue how V's town and scum games differ, but I can't say I lean him scum either. :/ God I hate when V is in a game, it's like having charu who is ready to verbally assault you into submission at any time.

Not a fan of AA. Being quiet is normal, but not doing anything with it is not.

Yoshl gets a townie lean because he's not done anything particularly scummy imho yet.

Wait YMIA posted? Shit I missed those.

I was gonna make a joke at how RB and lames are uesless but it feels too hypocritical at this moment.

Zenith feels townie. The No-lynch suggestion was dumb, but his thought process felt like it was in a townie place to a point.

Like it didn't read as if he was just trying to stall a phase for a free kill. It felt more like "we could no lynch here, see how many kills happen and then try to make a more informed choice later"

Which like, isn't a good idea imho, but it that's kinda how it came off.

I dunno I'm tired and angry for no good reason at this point so this might be a little off. I might come back to this before work tomorrow if there's not like 10 pages to read in 50 minutes. I will be rereading Zenith over night one though, that needs to happen.

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

// I know I responded to this earlier but using gifs from my phone is cancer.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I'll start with people who I don't like as much this game


Xel: I liked his first big post but since then he's dropped off and that makes me concerned. It's reminiscent of his wolf game where he tries to act town for a little bit but quickly fades away. Just saw that plop posted this so lol. Null leaning a bit scum right now

rzr: reasoning for not voting is terrible but not alignment indicative. why is it that here you have yoshl town and roundbox null but then if yoshl is scum roundbox is as well? given that roundbox has barely posted anything at this point it's an odd association. impression management holy shit, why do you care so much about people reading you differently? this could be a town very concerned about looking town but it's more scummy because as town you should be scumhunting instead of focusing on how you look. slight scum lean

zenith: says he doesn't want to speculate about the setup but then wastes a lot of time fighting about wondering why we shouldn't speculate about the setup. I strongly disagree with post 102. You usually get into a fight about someone because you say things that are easily misinterpreted and then when you defend yourself everyone gets more confused. You come out hard and then back off as D0 comes to a close because you supposedly don't want to fight and absorb the lynch instead.

post 151 is shit, it's been beaten to death but not lynching sucks for town. I don't like 186 because it seems like he's trying to deflect suspicion with a useless pre-game piece of info instead of defending himself. his reads list is pretty much all meta/commentary except for the bit on yoshl, so that doesn't help. I can't even make sense of this post. even though I don't like what he's saying it feels like normal zenith play so slight town lean

dbp: a lot of commentary/fluff during the yoshl/zenith fight. "yoshl's really aggressive", "yoshl you're being sloppy". I would have expected some analysis during it instead of this. 6 pages in and all he's done is caution yoshl. it doesn't feel like a T/T interaction to me, I think it would be more likely for dbp to yell at yoshl for playing badly instead of just send him gentle reminders.

page 12 and I still haven't seen anything useful, he talked to rzr about why not voting is detrimental to town but no content. he appeals to choof here and then proceeds to shitpost some more. completely ignored pressure from yoshl about SK on page 20 which is really odd. his reasoning for not denying it is weak. indirectly denies it here but it still seems like a really roundabout way of defending himself. I expected him to come out harder against such a strong accusation. jumped on my bandwagon on page 21, seems like he's trying to direct attention away from him. definitely a strong SK candidate, meta says he's posting too much to be wolf but there's astoundingly little content

James May: where the fuck are you don't vanish like last time I played with you. we should pressure him if he doesn't show up soon

yoshl: yoshl comes out hard immediately, even more so than usual. there's usually a little shitposting before that but almost none here. yes zenith made a dumb post right away but it still seems odd. post 22/23 are lol, seems like he's clearing himself to do dumb shit and then pass it off. it's been noted before already but he makes an overly big deal about invis, I don't think it's relevant to the course of the game. the only reason you want someone off of invis is to know that they're viewing the thread, presumably so you can pressure them. But if the only reason you're going to pressure them is because you saw them viewing the thread then that's weird, it should be a non-issue but yoshl makes it an issue.

it feels like the confrontation with zenith was forced. Zenith said he wanted to converse and yoshl called him out for not having anything ready, but I read zenith's post as an intent to have a certain playstyle, not that he had things he wanted to discuss right away. why did you appeal to V here? is it because of a previous discussion? his aggression seems very different and more forced than his town games which makes me lean him scum. he backs off of zenith for whatever reason to switch to dbp. while I do agree that dbp seems SKish yoshl still reads scummy to me so it could be a wolf going for town points by pinging out someone playing strangely. this post is interesting where he scumreads roundbox. he was townreading round earlier so I'm not sure where the change came from. still pressuring dbp which is fine but he's being inconsistent. oh here's the reason he scumreads round but it's absolute shit. the only interesting implication is that yoshl could be pulling one of his elaborate reaction tests for reads, but inconsistency isn't something I've seen during them so I'm not sure. strongest scumread for now, I'm curious what he thinks of this

RB: slank cover early on, mindmeld here but it's pretty shallow stuff. big reads post here. I disagree with his analysis of yoshl/zenith alignment. it's true that they tend to fight regardless of alignment but their approaches to the fight are more telling. I scumread yoshl because his approach feels unusual in that it seems more forced, while zenith is null/town because he's business as usual. the rest of his post is good though, slight town lean.

ymia: drops slank and what I'll assume is a shitvote on rzr immediately. goes for easy town points on an issue that's done with already, seems like he's trying too hard for it. the rest of his drunk posts are incoherent. he tells v to elaborate but it seems out of place because I don't see anything about v saying he could elaborate like ymia seems to think he did. I just don't see anything good from him so far, null leaning scum.


also look I linked some posts, happy choof?

also wow I don't like a lot of people this game

analysis on people I feel better about coming up next

Ok so yay he did do it.

1. What was so good about that bigger post though from me?! Like fuckin' really.

2. Oh. It's not a shitty reads list... Um...

Ok AA is a lot more townie in my book. Not because he delivered but because of the format / actual content of the delivery.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

regarding the SK thing, I probably didn't handle it well, I thought I'd rather not attract a lot of attention to myself but that backfired tremendously

Ehh?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

holy fuck YoshL can you shut up

No lie - I laughed here.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

regarding a wolf YoshL, he 100% would target Zenith the way he did because he wants to maintain his meta of being a shitlord towards Zenith for whatever reason he can find

and establishing that right off that bat is a good way to force that impression on us

Not to argue with you, but in this case wouldn't it make even more sense to go on red blaster than zenither or alternate / some deviation of a combination of this?

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

YoshL what are your thoughts on YMIA

Originally Posted by YoshL

didn't read his posts lol

I'm not the only one x.x'

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

it really shouldn't

I disagree because figuring out wolf pairs pends interactions and saying one thing one way versus another can paint some people in a different light

Like if I spent an entire game just getting along with red blaster that'd be really fuckin' weird right? That could be a small hint that him and I might have some sort of thing going, be it a subtle understanding of each others roles, or a scummy interaction going on.

Though imho if anyone can guess my role on the first day I feel like I've failed in a way.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

alright so one of my wolf suspects does not comment on my other two wolf suspects

I know it's early to start looking at wolf teams, and this is highly conditional on flips, but if I had to guess, I think Xel/YoshL/(maybe YMIA) is my current guess

I need to see if YoshL has made any mention to these characters early on, because he sure has acknowledged everyone else

at any rate, I think that the Xel meta is largely correct --- with town Xel, there is content interspersed with shitposts and his wolfiness depends on how long he maintains that style

As others pointed out, he's beginning to fail at that
Last game I was able to give him a town read for this meta, and I'm not getting that impression this time around, so I think he would be the safest candidate for a D0 lynch

YMIA I didn't consider until V told me to look back at his posts, and that led me to some conclusions that I feel are solid

In addition to everything else stated about YoshL, it was weird how he backed off of me just by me saying "I'm not the SK", which indicates that either he believes me, or that he was looking for a reason to lay off me so he could get off the sinking ship

I'm not sure he's a good lynch for today, but there are strange things about him

I wanna argue this, but it's so self meta-riddled discussion wise, I can't do it. Goddamn it.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Xel's low postcount is also to note -- but he's come in recently to refute one of Plop's points against him

during that time he could have tried defending himself or at least trying to make reasoning

I can't particularly say I'm good at defending myself. Though, I don't recall refuting anything and more aknowledging it was there.

I mean:

Originally Posted by XelNya

Congrats, now you get nothing.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Said me seriously: never.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Um, yes. 100% yes.

Posting from my phone is zzzz.

Is hardly a way to refute anything if you asked me.

But again I don't think my opinion on that matters too much.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

not to lecture, but V's reasoning seems to be goal-centric, which is great for motivated wolves but I don't think it's a good lens by which to view characters like Xelnyar, whose external characteristics betray their lack of motivation

from a adversarial game theoretical standpoint, you assume that players take options which maximize their utility, and in this scenario, we assume that those options reveal their goals

but if a character makes suboptimal decisions because they aren't fully engaged, the goal-oriented mindset will fail

... Can I safely admit this post confuses me?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

yeah how is it a slip yoshl/choof

... That's it?

Originally Posted by roundbox

I sincerely hope that you're going to expand on this list next time you're in the thread, specifically:

How XelNya switched from "null but slight town" to pure null here
How AA went from "spectator mode with slank cover" to slight town
How DaBackpack went from null to full-on townread



I will admit that I did not correctly read the word "gutread" in your initial post, but gutreads are gutreads, and concrete evidence works better than an inkling. And yes, of course I do anticipate you to update and change reads as you do get new information, which is the point of this current post.

There's a reason I can come up with, and it kinda goes: the longer I go without returning to their perception of my town norm the worse I read to people. Which without self metaing I can't really comment on and I'm trying to get better at not doing that because I know how much I do it and I a keep saying this shit so I don't fucking do it and arrrrrrgh.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

Also for those of you who think that my posts should be better because "normally he plays better than this" don't give me that shit, I've gotten that same argument several games in a row which makes it useless because the standard that my posts are being held to has apparently shifted

If you're going to read me then do it with some basis instead of saying vague sentences
Also look at the posts I write

It's less "your posts should be better" and more of "You normally are a lot more precise, and have longer posts, but often less of them."

Sort of like how people perceive my meta. Which again I am gonna say I won't talk about because /developing a better in game habit is important needs to be done hnnnnnnnnnnng\

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

It's kinda like watching someone beat a dead horse.

I, like that patriots guy, prefer the beating of deflated horses.

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

Can you stop calling me ass blaster btw

Can I? Yes. I can. Will I? Not likely.



























































For now.

[Red Blaster]

Originally Posted by xelnya

My opinion is useless here, but fuck it, you're gonna get it anyway. As if you made a crappy simfile or something.

1. I have not done that sort of thing in recent games that I can recall, no.
2. I wouldn't say that post took a lot of effort. In fact I'd have to agree with choof later and say it's really more white noise, which is what I said it'd be was my shit posting condensed into one post rather than you know, the onslaught of them I tend to post.
3. The question here, is that do you think that difference is bad or good? What's it indicating to you? Do I feel scummy after telling you it's more white noise than you credited it for?

Note: question 3 assumes my opinion on it meant anything. Which it doesn't.

I kinda remember a similar type of play style shift, at least in regards to my personal meta with you, last game where you were going for a more serious type of post.

I think with you admitting it was white noise comes from a human mindset.
My inner conspirator sort of finds a slight possibility of scummyness, in that I think were you a wolf here I think we'd see exactly the same post regardless, but I digress.

Time to head out for work.

[XelNya]

Anyways reads listu:

1. Vendetta21 I do not feel confident in any read I give you. I don't know how to read you, so I am tossing you as a null. I like your posts, and they don't feel scum oriented in mindset. But just, I am so goddamned paranoid. I don't wanna settle into a mindset with you. And I think I need to try this approach on Charu next time I get the pleasure of playing with him.
2. MrPopadopalis25 Town Innocent Child - Actually is a mother fucking wolf. Who knew? / CUE SARCASM.
3. XelNya - SK, just like he wanted. Obviously. Duh.
4. rzr - I don't remember you even being here actually. I just don't like you.
5. _Zenith_ - Light town lean. Yeah suggesting a no lynch is gross, but I already touched on that earlier. I wanna see a bit more before I hard sell you into the townie block.
6. DaBackPack - Shut up and take my town read.
7. roundbox I almost put you as null here but then quick skimmed over your latest posts and realized I've been being a fucking dumb ass about you this entire game.
8. James May - No, I'm not dumb when you hit the quote button. I did that intentionally, assuming it shows.
9. Yoshl - Poke and prod and poke and prod, but I don't... Ehhh. Later. Need to check that thought and amend. When I'm not tired that is.
10. Red Blaster -

Originally Posted by YoshL

red blastercya

11. AragakiAyase - You're not D0 material. But anything I have to say about you is either moot or hypocritical.
12. choof - Shut up anage my town read you jerk.
13. yo man im awesome - No really, who are you again?

If I had a shot atm I'd just shoot lames and get it over with, but that doesn't feel like it would help outside the flip. So I can't say it'd be good...

My brain is fried. I need to do more non tired reading. I have work to do on night one, that is for sure... I need to live twg it up and take some fuckin' notes.

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

I kinda remember a similar type of play style shift, at least in regards to my personal meta with you, last game where you were going for a more serious type of post.

I think with you admitting it was white noise comes from a human mindset.
My inner conspirator sort of finds a slight possibility of scummyness, in that I think were you a wolf here I think we'd see exactly the same post regardless, but I digress.

Time to head out for work.

There's no human / scum mindset to that admission.

Like I said, my opinion of it is fucking useless. I just am being transparent, I think is the right term.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Zenith/Yoshl/AA

Zenith is now, on top of all of his earlier low-quality posting, trying to mindmeld with people around him by giving me a "slight-wolf lean", also simultaneously tied to me voting him. Note Zenith gives AA mild town and yoshl completely null.

Yoshl is pushing his points to the grave and is super accusational. "So you're not denying x....." has been said at least 4 times in some form or another. pretty sure he also gave me a "slight-wolf lean" mindmelding, I also mentioned that I was suspicious, albeit a little, in my Zenith vote post so that likely had something to do with that.

AA's big analysis posts are even more general and irrelevant than Xelnya's, and from what I understand he is more than capable of producing well thought out posts. Note that in his "read" post, 481, he basically says that Zenith is playing poorly, but gives him a town lean, votes yoshl, and leans me scum.

I literally don't care about DBP today, I don't see him as wolf currently today so I see no reason to belabor any more of that argument. At this point everyone needs to focus on actual lynch targets. Less about how "everyone feels", and more who's a good lynch target. I don't want D0 to end up us trying to rush a lynch at the end of the day, I want a lynch that makes sense.

I think any of those 3 above are worth lynching today.

I feel like this entire post is a forced observation. To start, his read on me is extremely poor. Top wolf lean because my low-tier posting with other reasons that have no concrete stability to solidify a lynch? Yeah. Calls out my attempts to mindmeld which is asinine to point out because mindmelding isn't in particular a scummy tactic but more a player getting to understand where the other player is coming from (usually on the same subject; also this comes from just my own words of mindmelding before yoshL pitches a fit). Wants to note my read changes without me actually explaining yet why I changed reads; extremely sketchy.

His read on YoshL is so forced it makes me cringed. First off, it is evident YMIA hasn't played with YoshL enough to know his accusations and abrasiveness is key parts of his playstyle along with constant bashing while setting up breadcrumbs (if he is wolf) or trying to get a rise out of a certain player (I know, this happens way too fucking frequently against myself). AGAIN THOUGH, YMIA nearly tells that YoshL gave him a slight wolf lean, and that he doesn't understand why, so he (YMIA) is going to OMGUS certain players that have slight wolf leans on them.

AA Read is about 70% forced because the other 30% is literally him reposting that his acknowledges what AA has posted thus far and restates what happened in this post; IE: pretty useless read. You even call out XelNya in comparison to AA's reads list when it seems like above happened where you don't quite understand their playstyle and are naturally assuming something is off when everything has been pretty typical excluding a few players.

Brings up DBP for no fucking reason at all and it is bizarre that in a post targeting his "top wolf leans" with the first line of DBP saying "I literally don't care about DBP today...". Why in the fucking right mind YMIA would you add this section of the post stating we should consider "real" lynch targets and in your fucking post of who you think are real lynch targets add DBP who you state isn't a wolf today?

You are literally sold on my vote for the rest of the game because this post is hugely indicative of what you are about this game; forced and fake.
YMIA

Originally Posted by roundbox

I sincerely hope that you're going to expand on this list next time you're in the thread, specifically:

How XelNya switched from "null but slight town" to pure null here
How AA went from "spectator mode with slank cover" to slight town
How DaBackpack went from null to full-on townread



I will admit that I did not correctly read the word "gutread" in your initial post, but gutreads are gutreads, and concrete evidence works better than an inkling. And yes, of course I do anticipate you to update and change reads as you do get new information, which is the point of this current post.

I'll answer your questions but my final reads list will be later on today because I'm seriously taking the time and isolating everyone from a post 1 to post x basis.

Xel simply gained the pure null slot due to how laid back he is in this game and where it can be attributed elsewhere that it isn't alignment indicative, I don't see where I can lean him yet. He has few town points moreso than my own suspicion of being a wolf though I could not lean him when I made the read post. I read his megapost and there was some good sections in it and others where I would expect a memelord Xel to appear but still continues to be laid back.

AA is naturally performing a town-telling style of posting in which I considered him worthy enough for a town pass for today. I saw YoshL thought he slipped somewhere (might still consider) but I chalked it up to a normal accusation from YoshL.

DBP is a hard read D0 to be honest for me. Just like plop, the two have this style where my cheesecake brain cannot compute some of their posts and it leaves me going "Null" but there are a few posts (I'll quote them in here for you) that sold that DBP is town for the time being. He also became more of an adviser early on when YoshL and I fought which he did the same in a previous game but this game it seemed more pure than the last one where it seemed like he didn't really care but at the same time he wanted to move us in other directions (and then he gets heat from YoshL because YoshL is a TWGdick).

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

this post tells me that V is encouraging what he considers "proper" reasoning, which suggests a constructive mindset from him

he wants people who he considers town to make good reasoning, which fosters in an environment conducive for streams of positive information

- Pure observation via V

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

Xel's low postcount is also to note -- but he's come in recently to refute one of Plop's points against him

during that time he could have tried defending himself or at least trying to make reasoning

- Mindmeld earlier on, however I believe above did happen.

Originally Posted by DaBackpack

alright so one of my wolf suspects does not comment on my other two wolf suspects

I know it's early to start looking at wolf teams, and this is highly conditional on flips, but if I had to guess, I think Xel/YoshL/(maybe YMIA) is my current guess

I need to see if YoshL has made any mention to these characters early on, because he sure has acknowledged everyone else

at any rate, I think that the Xel meta is largely correct --- with town Xel, there is content interspersed with shitposts and his wolfiness depends on how long he maintains that style

As others pointed out, he's beginning to fail at that
Last game I was able to give him a town read for this meta, and I'm not getting that impression this time around, so I think he would be the safest candidate for a D0 lynch

YMIA I didn't consider until V told me to look back at his posts, and that led me to some conclusions that I feel are solid

In addition to everything else stated about YoshL, it was weird how he backed off of me just by me saying "I'm not the SK", which indicates that either he believes me, or that he was looking for a reason to lay off me so he could get off the sinking ship

I'm not sure he's a good lynch for today, but there are strange things about him

- This was the best indicator imo that he is town-aligned.

[AragakiAyase]

So... My campus just blocked ffr. I'm going to see if I can get it unblocked but for now I'm on my phone so posts will definitely be smaller and possibly less cohesive.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

Even in the dorms and shit?? Fucked up if that's the case.

It's all campus WiFi, I'm on my carrier right now. Might have to set up a VPN although idk if that would help.

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by MrPopadopalis25

On this note, I feel like given zenith's latest post people are going to start saying "there's no way YMIA and zenith are on a team." While I don't have any solid feelings on that point yet, I don't feel it's right to assume that because I absolutely believe that zenith would bus in a game with cardflips on.

Bus in a game with cardflips on? lmao

If I did that I would get buried immediately because I couldn't pull of that kind of stunt and survive

don't give me credit where credit is not due!