TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[yo man im awesome]

Im reading in class hold on jeez

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I mean I want to say that when round said his point about myself that he was also incorporating his own reads on that point because if you really read ymia's wolf reads list then you can see a majority of the content is tinfoil.

Tinfoil implies that his wolf deductions are on highly townread players (to the point of sounding like a conspiracy, hence the name) after a long amount of time of them being townread. None of these players have been universally townread, and I'm not sure what you mean by "if you really read ymia's wolf reads list". Is there some other magical way I'm supposed to read this?

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Rounds point on AA is shaky because it is minimal. "A little OMGUS..." doesn't apply to AA here but more-than-likely myself since I'm his top and he is my top. I also think AA leans town with what is given and he applied typical counter-pressure from YoshL calling him on a "slip".

My post was partially examining ymia's reasoning in addition to factoring in your analysis of his reads. I would argue that the OMGUS part here is solely for the fact that ymia mentions that he was scumread (I think it was scum lean?) by AA in this post and mentions nothing of his read from you as well as YoshL.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Roundbox also must have glazed over ymia specifically in the first line of the post say "Zenith/YoshL/AA" without specifying other players; just us. Seeing how the majority of ymia's post is about who he thinks is suspicious, I don't see why ymia wouldn't have included DBP unless he solely is denouncing us three as a possible wolf team. The DBP section imo is utterly forced to breadcrumb if he survives longer than two phases (and the chance DBP can be a wolf which I doubt currently).

I do think the breadcrumbing here is a good point, but ymia is concerned about lynch candidates here (both personal and thread-based). If he went straight on defensive, he would be chastised. Just take a look at what you said after rzr made his big post recently. You solidified your scumread of him since his post was, in your words, defensive. I need to take a look at it myself to see if I arrive to the same conclusion, but my point still stands. ymia was just looking into lynch candidates, three of which are who he believes to be wolf. He put the section on DaBackpack there to convince people to ignore him and focus on the three wolf reads he posted, since he sees DaBackpack as a wasted lynch.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Don't get me wrong, Round brought good points after a bad early post but this one post is being judged by now multiple people; adding more voice to the general situation of ymia. We can easily both be right or wrong but I'm not going to back down against ymia. I want him lynched this phase.

What bad early post are you referring to? Haven't you and plop really been the only ones to say something about "this one post now being judged by multiple people"? Has someone else scrutinized my post about you and ymia?

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Im reading in class hold on jeez

Oh no I'm not trying to rush you; take your time.

Give it it your all because I'm locked.

[yo man im awesome]

And youre still scummy Zenith

[choof]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

Give it it your all because I'm locked.

no you're fuckin not

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Yoshl is one of those players that can do stuff without it really going either way

Yeah sticking to the SK thing so hard earlier can be kinda not good, but yoshl kinda hammering something into the ground isn't new? At least it doesn't feel that way. It feels more like he said something and committed to it.

Ehhhhh.

Geez why so maddo here?

I'll fuckin' hit yah mate.

Xel, what the hell does any of this mean? Yes, we appreciate the commentary on YoshL, but what is your interpretation on his alignment? The point about YoshL's aggression tactics has been already covered by a few people, so bringing it up again here isn't really doing anything. Would it be accurate in saying you feel like YoshL comes off as more townie in this situation?

And what's up with these last three reactions? What is ehhhhhh supposed to mean? Say something. Rip my reads apart, rip my strategy apart.
Is rzr's "anger" in this situation relevant to his alignment?
What's the point of this Zenith quote?

[AragakiAyase]

going through this

Originally Posted by rzr

big post

I'd usually like to give RB the benefit of the doubt. Last game when people were pushing him hard, he went along with it very smoothly and took criticism well. This seems far more defensive, which for me is a major flag.

it doesn't read to me as overly defensive, multiple people were pushing on him for dropping slank cover even though others had done the same, the justification being minor semantics (dbp saying slank cover in advance is better than "I g2g to a concert right now")

2. From what you said about Yosh I would tend to agree Zenith/yosh or Zenith/Yosh

The latter is possible although I doubt it. but do you really think that if zenith/yoshl are both scum that they would go at each other that hard that early? It could be a distancing play but it doesn't seem smart to make such a racket and draw scrutiny early on.

I'm not taking this very seriously.

Ok, but you seem to keep bringing up this new meta even when people don't prod you about it (see top of your post).

My problem with this is that I agree, and that contradicts the vibe I get on yosh.

some if it inevitably is going to seem like a commentary given that I caught up on 10+ pages but if you actually read it you'd see I gave reads on a lot of people with basis for all of them.

This kinda mmakes me think you're the sk, not that it matters..

what about this makes you think yoshl is SK, and why don't you think it matters?

I would like to ask right here, does this seem like the amount of diggina normal roundbox would do? I don't know his meta like that, but it seems like an awful lotta trouble to go through for scum, esp d0 with no heat on him. Town points I'd say.

I've seen round dig through other games before, can't remember if he's done it as wolf though.

[yo man im awesome]

If you want to tell me that my post calling a team of you/AA/Yoshl as weak and no confidence, youre just flat out wrong. I specifically said that i want people voting for who they want lynched now, of top candidates, not someone who isnt worth hunting this phase. I wouldnt make a vote/scumread post that says that while having no cinfidence in my own vote. I think youre scummy, and with that confidence, i know that even if you werent, your toxic/bad input wont detract from the game further.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by rzr

unvote
haha just to fuck with you guys. I'll consider changing my voting philosophy.

so who are you actually scumreading? You mentioned zenith and ymia but then you pull this shitvoting. I also want to know what you're thinking about the rest of the players, you focused on a few but haven't given very conclusive reads on those.

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

He went from pretty defensive to on the defense. How splendid.

Based on being your partner and the defensive style, I'm going to leave you at a strong 2nd wolf candidate. However, at the moment I'm still extremely confident a wolf hit is within ymia.

are you referring to rzr? If so, what kind of reaction do you expect to get from someone when you attack them? ignoring your attack? that would be much worse than responding

[yo man im awesome]

And you arent my top wolf, i think AA is more wolfy imo than you. I do however think your posting is more toxic to the game overall.

[roundbox]

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

So I've looked at yo man in iso and I'm not really seeing much to convince me he's scummy, I've rarely had the opportunity to play with ymia so I can't say I have an established meta to base his actions/posts off of and formulate reads one way or the other.
If anything his drunk posts read, to me, as fake as fuck given the general lack of misspellings despite being "crossfaded"..but this is essentially a moot point.
I honestly want to give him benefit of the doubt and say he's just shaking off the twg rust since this is his first game since like Manti's Mystery Game way back whenever that was.

I was thinking of the latter too, considering he hasn't played with many of the people in the current player pool. ymia is still a candidate for me, but I'm starting to teeter in favor of other lynch candidates today.
Red Blaster, who are you looking at for a lynch today? It's nice that you touch upon one of the top lynch candidates, but I think you really need to do some scum hunting.

Originally Posted by XelNya

But that's just boring.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa you're doing it again

[yo man im awesome]

I think rzr is a fucking idiot with those last posts but i dont think its scummy

[yo man im awesome]

Bye zenith

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Tinfoil implies that his wolf deductions are on highly townread players (to the point of sounding like a conspiracy, hence the name) after a long amount of time of them being townread. None of these players have been universally townread, and I'm not sure what you mean by "if you really read ymia's wolf reads list". Is there some other magical way I'm supposed to read this?



My post was partially examining ymia's reasoning in addition to factoring in your analysis of his reads. I would argue that the OMGUS part here is solely for the fact that ymia mentions that he was scumread (I think it was scum lean?) by AA in this post and mentions nothing of his read from you as well as YoshL.



I do think the breadcrumbing here is a good point, but ymia is concerned about lynch candidates here (both personal and thread-based). If he went straight on defensive, he would be chastised. Just take a look at what you said after rzr made his big post recently. You solidified your scumread of him since his post was, in your words, defensive. I need to take a look at it myself to see if I arrive to the same conclusion, but my point still stands. ymia was just looking into lynch candidates, three of which are who he believes to be wolf. He put the section on DaBackpack there to convince people to ignore him and focus on the three wolf reads he posted, since he sees DaBackpack as a wasted lynch.



What bad early post are you referring to? Haven't you and plop really been the only ones to say something about "this one post now being judged by multiple people"? Has someone else scrutinized my post about you and ymia?

*Insert YoshL fixing my terminology mistake* because I misused the word Tinfoil there. I should've used the vague word, shaky, to describe it because imo the thought process doesn't hold. Also, you're right about the last of the first section because of different perceptions of how we read posts, so I was basically trying to say "hopefully you can see the post a different way".

My response was also incorporating my own read on AA there, but I would counter-argue that ymia and I are against each other dominantly but with reason, as well as AA which you stated and I'm not sure if I reapplied the word omgus towards YoshL.

It seems extremely awkward though the inclusion of DBP here (you stated his name is frequently tossed around by multiple players). I know that is 10/10 breadcrumbing material that I strongly feel he'll use if he lives, but there is no need to state DBP there. You, Round, mentioned that he thinks DBP is a waste of a lynch; then why include him in a list of his suspicions?.

I'm referring to your setup post in which you mentioned "any post after this..." which imo gave off a weird vibe and it slapped you on some radars.

[yo man im awesome]

Fyi ill be in a midterm at 8:45 est tonight, it shouldnt be terribly long though its p easy

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

If you want to tell me that my post calling a team of you/AA/Yoshl as weak and no confidence, youre just flat out wrong. I specifically said that i want people voting for who they want lynched now, of top candidates, not someone who isnt worth hunting this phase. I wouldnt make a vote/scumread post that says that while having no cinfidence in my own vote. I think youre scummy, and with that confidence, i know that even if you werent, your toxic/bad input wont detract from the game further.

meh

the only reason you seem to think I'm scummy is omgus and my "general and irrelevant reads". You question how I can lean zenith town after I said he's playing poorly and then immediately lean you and yoshl scum, but you clearly didn't read my post very carefully because I stated reasons for all of those. Your dismissal of my reads is laughably hypocritical because you don't even pick anything out in particular (aside from what I just mentioned which doesn't help your case), you just say that they're bad reads so you're leaning me scum now

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

AA's big analysis posts are even more general and irrelevant than Xelnya's, and from what I understand he is more than capable of producing well thought out posts. Note that in his "read" post, 481, he basically says that Zenith is playing poorly, but gives him a town lean, votes yoshl, and leans me scum.

[AragakiAyase]

oh don't forget to use meta that other people have talked about but you don't actually have any experience with, that couldn't possibly lead you wrong

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by choof

no you're fuckin not

Oh but I am. I will die for it.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

And you arent my top wolf, i think AA is more wolfy imo than you. I do however think your posting is more toxic to the game overall.

so has something else occurred to you aside from my reads list? or is this another half-assed attempt to push a wagon on me?

[_Zenith_]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

so who are you actually scumreading? You mentioned zenith and ymia but then you pull this shitvoting. I also want to know what you're thinking about the rest of the players, you focused on a few but haven't given very conclusive reads on those.



are you referring to rzr? If so, what kind of reaction do you expect to get from someone when you attack them? ignoring your attack? that would be much worse than responding

I was referring to rzr, yes, and I know rzr won't let a post that mentions him go by unbeknownst to him. If I got no reaction, it would've gone two different ways: 1) I pressure him more, and 2) I take my attention elsewhere while noting rzr not responding.