TWG IX - Manhunt - End of Day 2 - Game Over

[Tasselfoot]

to clarify: saying 3+ or 5 posts was merely a helpful guideline... not an exact science or law

to kilga: I plan on doing that. Didn't think I needed to relist them for Day 1. All future days will though.

PS - expect some form of plot update from me tomorrow... none of you have as of yet continued the plot. I encourage all of you to explore the jungle, gather food, hunt, move towards fresh water, etc. Things that one would normally do while exploring the jungle.

[The_Q]

1-5

Ok, so here's the quesa-dillio.

Charlotte, being the newb he is, assumes that intellect causes me to be a good player of the game. I actually fit just about as many "Good" qualities as "Bad." What's the difference? How have I won so many games? Simple, I utilize my resources. Tass used to be my prime resource, him being the God of TWG. I don't play the game nearly as well as you'd think, though. Eyespew would point out that when I play a game I love using psychology. When I started Diplomacy I made a personal message "accidentally" be broadcast to every player. I started with very n00bish moves for a reason. Still, I've never considered myself the best player of this game.

Q

[Tps222]

yay, i finished my essay. Well, there hasn't been too much since the last time i posted,so i'll check back tomarrow in computers, and will post around 2:30. ..

[Kefit]

Chardish is dead. That's not surprising at all.

eb's death, however, is. Although eb has proven himself a good thinker in the past, most of his alliance work in game VIII fell right into his lap when he was successfully guarded night two. Nothing like that could happen this game, so I really don't think that eb would be one of the best choices for night one - he certainly isn't a weak player, but alain and especially blah strike me as players that I would much rather be rid of than him.

And as far as Tass's hand-picking of the wolf goes, I think that above all he wants an interesting, even suspenseful game. I imagine that he wants it to be quite close - to go to the third or fourth day at least, or for Mirage to barely pull out a victory. Because of this, I would be quite surprised if he picked someone fairly new to the game as wolf, like Tsuteto or Charlotte.

Oh, and I was going to write something about how Q really isn't nearly as good at this game as everyone seems to think he is, but Q himself already beat me to it.

One final thing - feel free to contact me on aim as much as you like. last game I was being very reserved on aim (very much for the reasons I gave, too - it had nothing to do with me being a wolf), but as part of my promise to be more active this game, I will be more open to aim chat.

[alainbryden]

There's some lying going on here. Q is too egotistical to say he's a crappy player. He's just trying to save his ass and convince the wolves that he's not worth killing. He's human.

[alainbryden]

Kefit, I predicted that Chardish and EB exactly would go, because they are both trustworthy people when they are human, because Chardish is a strong player, and because EB has history and ties with the many other strong players such as Blah and I that would force blame on us. But I'm not complaining. If the plan is for us to get lynched, then we may be left in the game. We can only hope. In the meantime, I think we can make any reason for Tass picking any level of player, so we shouldn't base our reasoning on a psychoanalysis of Tass, even if that's all we have. I'm glad everyone has to post, that way we will soon have something to look at for everyone, as for Kilga, I certainly hope he does not make those count as valid posts in the end, because all that pointless math stuff was a waste of thinking space. Kilga, you did this last game too, you need to be more relevantly active.

oh and for tass.... I wander around find a rabbit and shoot it. I think about eating it, but am not particularily hungry and don't have the energy to cook it so I shoot it again and take a walk thinking 'this doesn't really need to turn into an RPG.'

[Charlotte21]

There's some lying going on here. Q is too egotistical to say he's a crappy player. He's just trying to save his ass and convince the wolves that he's not worth killing. He's human.

Do you really think someone as smart as Q would insert a strategy that would hurt the humans for his personal goals rather than do what is best for the group.

I personally at this point believe he is human, but that is only because I am making the assumption everyone is human until there is a little more stable evidence against someone. My vote for Q would be removed if removing votes were allowed because voting for Q based on the logic I used was newbish.

Q isn't being egotistical, he is being honest. I've looked through his past games.

Though this sparks a though (if you have seen A Beautiful Mind), the scene with the blonde and the thoughts on Adam Smith. If this were economics doing what is best for yourself would be helpful, but in this situation doing what is best for yourself is NOT helpful. The mentality of this game should be more John Nash than Adam Smith: for it is a group victory and not an individual one.

This game is unique because there is no way to make an failproof alliance, and no way to use signs of alliances or trust to find holes in logic. Therefore, it's much harder, and needs MUCH more communication. It also needs to get into the mentality of "Thinking of what is best for the group, not oneself."

I would say as a whole the two best things that can be done to help is:

1.) Explain your reasoning to the highest extent you can, maybe draw a little flowchart on a notepad to make sure it's precise and to the point you are trying to make.

2.) Post relevant things. Posting things that are not relevant just to get your "post quota" in is not helping at all, it is making the wolf and us easily suspect that you are a wolf when you may not be one.

This game is biased in the hunted's favour, we need to overcome that.

[Kilgamayan]

Post 3 of 5.

Kilga, you did this last game too, you need to be more relevantly active.

Yeah, well, too bad.

Just because I don't post more than once a day doesn't mean I'm not around. I simply have nothing to say most of the time.

Deal.

If you want information from me, this is the best I can offer: Based on previous posts in this topic and on conversations held last night, my top 3 suspects are currently Delta, Kappa and Pi. Take that for what you will.

- Delta...something about the way he's acting just doesn't strike me a right. This is more a feeling than a logical conclusion, but I believe one should be entitled to such a thing.

- I've already forgotten why I'm suspicious of Kappa, I just remember that I was. If I remember I'll post it.

- Pi not only worked his butt off trying to show why he wouldn't be picked, he basically showed why no one would be picked. >_>

But hell, if I was any of the people talking to me last night, I'd be pretty suspicious of me, so take that for what you will as well. All I did was screw around and make light of the whole situation.

That's all for now from Lambda Land.

λ

[Charlotte21]

One thing kilga:

There is no need to make a post counter, and even if there were, your completely irrelevant post about martices shouldn't be counted because that is what it is: completely irrelevant.

It's more of a rough guideline and that's what tass stated. Post things when you think of them, or at least write them down, so that you can keep more than just suspicions.

If you are human just having suspicions without much evidence hurts humans, but nonethless you are implying that you will post two more times so I am hoping you are going to be more thorough.

About your suspicions about me: Good, anyone can see the reasoning for your suspicions against me because they can just read the previous three pages. Though your other two I cannot see as well, therefore to benefit the humans and yourself, I suggest writing down your ideas when they come to you so you don't forget them.

(Edited for grammar)

[Tps222]

Another day and still not much to go off of. Charolette is being very active, but his posts are relevant, so i don't care. The whole Blah is starting to look not as suspcious as it first did to me, but i will have to keep an eye on that. Some people need to start posting more, because this game is built off comunication.

[Tps222]

O yea, to add to the plot " I decided to explore the jungle and fell into a pitfall. A tiny clan of jungle gnomes came over and tied me up and brought me to their dwelling. While on my way, i noticed some heavy branches broken, and some large footprints. Obviously someone must have been running thorugh this jungle quickly. I immediately wondered if it was Mirages'. I was then untied, and thrown into a mushroom shaped jail cell. I was very worried, for I had no clue what they were going to do with me. They then started chanting a scary chant, and started to merge together. Through this morphisis, they were beginning to form a shadow. They were forming it very slowly, they must have been using netzero. *plays cheap joke drum sound* Finally, the final shape started to appear, it appeared to be Mirage! It's face started to show when *Whack*, a coconut falls on my head. I am awoken to find that I am still at my base camp. What was that dream trying to tell me, i couldn't quite get a decent glimpse at the person. O well". *Walks over and takes a shower in a mamoth sized waterfall that somehow is still able to stand under without a budge, and no headeache*

Edit* Sorry, it's a pretty serious story, and it's cool and all, but I just wanted to lighten it up a bit. Actually the original story reminds me of "The Most Dangerous Game. Good short story.

[Tasselfoot]

Bah. To Alain and TPS... mock my ideas. Fine. I shall hold off on mid-game plot moves.

And, TPS... I wasn't sure at first what plot I wanted to use for this game. The first thing that came to mind was the movie Predator. Then second was TMDG (agreed, an excellent story). So, I went somewhat off of TMDG. Combined it a little with the terrible TMDG ripoff movie Surviving the Game, and added a little self flavor.

[Tps222]

I wasn't trying to mock your story at all. Predator would ahve been a good idea, as this is. I have never seen surviving the game, though. Also, come on people talk more.

[alainbryden]

wow, I just went to classes, passed out, woke up after missing a test 7 hours later, went to dinner, and there's been yay 5 new posts. This isn't looking up for teh humans. I've got nothing else to go off of. I'm finding the best strategy in this game so far is not to look for who is most likely a wolf, but instead put aside everyone who you have logical reasons to beleive is human, then another list of somewhat but not entirely trusted, and then pull someone off the last list that you know. Remember, there is only one wolf, so chances are he'll be fairly active. If there are still highly inactive players on the third day, then we have to start voting for them, just so we don't rule anything out.

[Kefit]

Something that just popped into my head:

Last night Blah got a bunch of people together for an aim chat to discuss theories and ideas on this game. We got pretty much no where, in large part because the chat was too chaotic.

At one point Q tried to quell the chaos by having us all speak our thoughts on something in turn. Nothing was wrong with this idea - it's something that we really need to do if we have any future chats for this game. What strikes me as odd is that he wanted us to talk about who we thought Mirage would kill tonight, and why.

I cannot think of any benefit a discussion on this would have for the humans, as the two kills each night are things we can't really do anything about. So why discuss it at all? Perhaps Mirage was trying to gather information on how each player would react to a given kill, which he could then use to plan out his kills in a way to cast as few eyes his way as possible.

There are probably faults with this idea, or I may have remembered the chat from last night incorrectly. If so, feel free to argue against this idea. Until then, Q has gained my suspicion.