TWG CVI: Postgame

[Vendetta21]

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I take that back dance is not to be trusted with killing me

[thesunfan]

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I'll start off what I thought about you guys now, was fun for my first wolf game and I swear I'll finally read an OP correctly one day.

YMIA: Pretty afk for the most part, you were considered a roleblock target night one just because we thought it was safe. Not a lot to say about you, hope you find the time to play again.

j-rodd123: Lol 1 post, yeah, being a replacement into a game like this sucks, I understand your apathy.

mellon: I don't even know how we managed to get you lynched Day One, I forget what started it... or how it went through... or how I only got a tiny bit of heat for it... also, sorry about your hands

afrobean: What the hell, does my play seem like TC_Halogen's to you? You gotta work on controlling those emotions, sending in a guess just because you're frustrated with my gameplay is not how you play TWG. I know you're a much better player than this.

Untimely Friction: Honestly, you somehow managed to be more of a loose cannon than I was. Would've been interesting to see you stick around, as I think you would've gotten a lot of heat. People just kinda forgot about how suspicious you were after you were replaced. Join another game if you can find the time

KgZ: Good roleplay, sorry you got sick.

Xx{Fallen}xX: Glad you got some experience, see you next game.

Gradiant: UGHHHHHHHHHH WHY DIDN'T I KILL YOU?! I'll be honest, I thought I had to be alive when the wolves won for me to win with them, or else you would've died night one. WP staying UTR throughout the game though. A very nice wolf game

TPS222: I'm really surprised someone didn't guess you earlier, it was pretty obvious to me who you were. I think, had there been a Day Four, it would've been either you or PA on the stool.

Yoshl: I swear you were nicer this game, it totally confused me that you died Day Two, I really was thrown off by that, mainly because Kayla didn't tell me she killed you . You had a rather impressive early game, and you made things happen. I think the game would've been a lot different had Kayla not found you out.

XelNya: Welcome to TWG. You had rather impressive reads for your first game, much to my surprise. You had some honestly bad posts on the first day, but improved as the game went on. You were veeery quickly lynched Day Three, and I would've liked to have seen how you defended yourself. Play another game sometime.

Velocity: Don't cheat plz. 3 rules broken Day One is pretty hilarious though.

Guest: WHY DIDN'T YOU CLAIM MASON AAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGH! That out of the way, I don't think its "impossible" for humans to win on FFR. It happens often enough, wolves are on a rather impressive streak since revival, however. Rather strange style, and you attracted a lot of heat from Manti. The frame job on you was rather obvious, and you did a nice job of defending yourself in that aspect.

notcommentingonmyselfbecauseobvious.

Emerald: Middie and you were the only ones who had me pegged right. GJ being the only thing that really stopped me this game. Look forward to seeing a vet like you in some more upcoming games, and sorry about the emotion after Yoshl died, just part of TWG.

FontSize: A decent first game, I expected you to be wolfed Night Two after you had a really nice post and named 2/3 wolves, with suspicions of the final. Really would've liked to see you finish the game out, as I think you could've influenced the final lynch. I think you should've claimed blue to have given yourself more influence, especially considering your power was gone.

Mea: Glad you had fun in your short time, see you around maybe?

Kayla: What can I say that hasn't been said. I preemptively wrote you down as the MVP and gave the wolves a victory in the History Synopsis of this game after you died. I was thoroughly impressed, and I guess we know who wears the TWG-Pants in your family

dAnce: You're a much better human than you are anything else. Your strategy itself was sound, and I could just *feel* that someone was going to change their vote over to you Day One, you were just a better lynch than mellon was. You just had a really unlucky game, as always when you're the seer haha.

Halogen: Sucks you went out the way you did. Maybe you'll get to play for longer than 2 seconds next game. I'd like to see what you can do, as your two games have hardly given us an example of your play.

V: You can't hide who you are apparently. You had me pegged down Day One, so it was really nice that dAnce killed you for me. <3. Had that not happened, this game would've been VERY different, as I know you wouldn't have let Kayla or myself get away with running the game.

Charu: You are CURSED! I swear it. Next game, buddy. You were wolfed just because all of us were sure that you weren't Paranoid.

Funny: Bleh, I did the same thing my second game on FFR, defended wolves, fought the blues. That being said, you and England should've claimed around the same time that Russia/Finland should've, you guys might've gotten more done that way. Your leadership was impressive, and I was rather surprised to see that Kayla had figured you out.

Manti: Your scope of England was off, but you were persistent. I should've known that you were Iran, with how you absorbed information all game.

All in all, gg, still kicking myself that I didn't kill you Jake <3

[Charu]

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Charu: You are CURSED! I swear it. Next game, buddy. You were wolfed just because all of us were sure that you weren't Paranoid.

Huh, well that makes me a little sad. I thought I was actually somewhat of a threat and that's why you picked, maaaaaaan.

Next game, tho... Next game.

[Svaz]

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I take that back dance is not to be trusted with killing me

dAnceguys are not to be trusted
by Vendetta

[YoshL]

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On the game itself I really enjoyed playing this. Getting to be anon I think helped me break into the game better. This game also made me dig back into old threads and start to get a better feel on how the game is played. I'll definitely play more in the future.

read as "dick back" and i loled hard

[Tps222]

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I guarantee that there is at least 1 wolf among the grouping of Germany, Egypt, and the US.

Close enough.

[TWG Australia]

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Silly Australia, I died before the game even started.

Meh. I didn't know.

My team was already pretty well fucked when I did that and I made a Hail Mary trying to take out someone I was pretty confident was a wolf. I was right, of course, but my mistake was obviously just in the guess. I saw France use the unusual phrase of "slow our role" (the correct phrase being "slow your roll") and connected it to something you had said earlier in another game, and thought that was enough of a tell to make a guess on. Oops. I guess homophone/idiom mistakes are common enough to not work for that.

Anyway, my thought process was: at least if I'm wrong about this being Halogen, I don't have to deal with this shitty-ass shit anymore. I also realized that I had accidentally let my true identity slip even further in those final moments before I made the guess, and I figured there was a good shot I'd be ID'd easily. And of course, I was right about that, since a few people did namecheck me after I died.

Can everyone else who made a guess explain their thought processes? There were some that made NO SENSE AT ALL. Some people had some tells, but others didn't have anything conclusive at all, especially early in the game. I just don't get it. Someone made a joke about IP checks... that didn't really happen, did it?

That said, USA did well. It just bugs the crap outta me how easily the town let themselves be manipulated this time. USA played it kind of like V did in the previous game... except not quite as well... but I guess the results speak for themselves regardless here, huh? I mean, by the end of the game, I was thinking "I'm not going to be surprised if US is red," but she was still able to keep very good control of the people who were still alive. Myself and a few others called Germany early on during day 1, so I'm not throwing them praise, even if they lasted for a bit past day 1. Ditto for France. Screw you, France. Greece left no impression before being mod-killed (what was that for again?), so no praise there either. Scotland was a replacement at the last second and I can't even think of who they were replacing, so no praise for them or the butt nugget they replaced. So yeah, I would say that USA pretty much single-handedly won it. Good job, USA.

ps Yes, yes, yes. Players who don't cut it should be excluded from signups for the next game at the very least. Maybe allow them to be replacements, but don't let them have a place ahead of people who will actually be able to remain engaged throughout the whole thing. I don't care what the reason is for failing to fulfill your duties, if you might not be able to play, don't sign up. If something unforeseen comes up, like some horrible car accident or something, then missing the next game should probably be the least of your worries.

[dAnceguy117]

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gg to the whole wolf team. more active than a lot of recent wolf teams here, which isn't a requisite (win at any cost), but it help makes the game entertaining for everyone.

I just got an answer from Xiz about it being okay to say, I wanted to verify for myself. I thought from the mannerisms that it was a lot like Halogen.

this post killed me. like, it might have actually killed me in the game. I knew South Korea was Halogen, and at the time I was sooooooo certain that a wolf wouldn't come out and tell the truth about who it was. I wrote USA off as a guaranteed human, which hurt the rest of my reads, and might have made my day 1 "pushes" just bad enough to force me to claim.

gutsy, gutsy move there. well done.



guesskilling V was definitely the worst thing I did all game, as it was a result of poor planning on my part. everything else I did, I think I was only slightly off the mark. sorry team! there's always next year




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Can everyone else who made a guess explain their thought processes?

V (Saudi Arabia) used the phrase "behavioral tells" in this game and in the last one. don't think I've seen that from anyone else.

pretty much every other guess, feel free to ask Psychoangel

[TC_Halogen]

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I saw France use the unusual phrase of "slow our role" (the correct phrase being "slow your roll") and connected it to something you had said earlier in another game, and thought that was enough of a tell to make a guess on.

It certainly wouldn't have worked for you in this instance, given that you've definitely mistaken me for another person, considering these were the only posts I had in my first game: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...archid=4373668

I had to drop out because work, school, and running the previous FFR Official Tournament really just sucked every single ounce of time I had. I highly doubt anyone got a read on me based off of the previous wolf game, and I hadn't played anything before that. With that being said, it's not exactly hard to figure out who I am based off of my posting mannerisms, which certainly did not change in this TWG (which inevitably was the reason how I was so easily guessed). Even if Greece didn't guess me on the first day, I'm willing to bet that I would have slipped up someone and made a post that was easily recognizable. With 16k+ posts on the forums, it's pretty hard to go without seeing a post of mine at some point.

[Afrobean]

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oops sorry it wasn't from a twg post, it was a post elsewhere on the forums: http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/...postcount=1317

That is the only instance Google could return of that phrasing on FFR, mistaking "role" for "roll". There are a lot of instances of the correct phrasing of "slow your roll" on FFR but only one instance with that homophone mix-up, so I thought it was worth a shot.

[TC_Halogen]

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holy shit that's one of my really bad posts, thanks for exposing me

I can't blame you for at least trying to make that aggressive connection, though. Coincidence or not, it was fixated at a pretty minor but reasonable detail.

[TWG United States]

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Can everyone else who made a guess explain their thought processes? There were some that made NO SENSE AT ALL. Some people had some tells, but others didn't have anything conclusive at all, especially early in the game. I just don't get it. Someone made a joke about IP checks... that didn't really happen, did it?

Unless for some reason Jon did it to get AJ there's no way IP checks happened. I have no access to any of that stuff and I don't think anyone else in the game did either.

Yoshl is someone I'm very familiar with after speaking with him frequently on skype and such. For a little while we thought that Canada may have been you or jrodd but I started noticing some changes. One thing was in the way he responded upon making a mistake. I'd have to find the post again but that immediately got me off it being either of the two I first thought. I also looked back into previous threads for playing styles of people when I thought I knew who they might be. What really sealed the deal on me for yoshl was when he posted something like I guarantee there's a wolf in those posts even though I'm not one Certain mannerisms give people away. If I dug up posts I could give more examples.

FunnyGurl I had thought at first might have been one of the more active players I had seen in the last game like BDN or Danceguy, once France died I noticed a bunch of tells start coming out. The biggest thing was her apologetic nature about being wrong and her confusion. If you go back I believe it's two wolf games ago you will see she ends up saying things like I'm sorry, I'm so confused, etc. She also has little quirks in her posting style you pick up on if you really pay attention to it.

TPS222 was really a hail Mary guess. I had remembered during earlier discussions in the game that France had mentioned that TPS tends to become less interested in the game when he's not a wolf. There was also the more aggressive posting style that was going on. Not only did I spend a lot of time digging through past TWG threads to get reads on people I also watched the bottom of the thread for who was viewing. TPS lurked on his main a lot during this game. Guest was another who lurked a lot but I would notice people log off their main and hop on to a twg account. They may not have hopped in the thread right away but I would watch the bottom of the main forum as well. The process of elimination helped as well since some of the people who were killed ended up coming out.
I didn't intend on the Italy guess but when he said he might know who I was and there was 30 some hours left in the night phase I didn't want to risk him deciding to say screw it and guess. We were too close to winning. The original intent was to put in a normal wolf kill and do the guess on FunnyGurl. I spoke with the other wolves and Fallen decided he was okay taking the risk with the Italy guess since he was the one I was least sure of out of the two.

It basically came down to a we need these kills or we're losing and we took the risk at the end there. There was no way in hell there wasn't going to be a ton of heat on the 3 of us after that insta went down. So we went for it.

gg to the whole wolf team. more active than a lot of recent wolf teams here, which isn't a requisite (win at any cost), but it help makes the game entertaining for everyone.

this post killed me. like, it might have actually killed me in the game. I knew South Korea was Halogen, and at the time I was sooooooo certain that a wolf wouldn't come out and tell the truth about who it was. I wrote USA off as a guaranteed human, which hurt the rest of my reads, and might have made my day 1 "pushes" just bad enough to force me to claim.

My thought process upon becoming a wolf was just to play like a human would. Why would I keep information from my fellow human brethren? I actually didn't have any confirmation that it was AJ, but I had noticed the same mannerisms that others had. I also hadn't known who killed him until after the fact. I literally just told the flat out truth there.

Random look into some thoughts/things in the game from my perspective:

I will admit I was getting very frustrated with both UF and sunfan during this game (no offense meant in the things I'm going to bring up) UF got to me a bit because he didn't want to listen to any advice given to him at all. He was just like "this is my first game I'm going to do what I want and see the reactions." In my head I'm like dude this is a team game and you're hurting your team. I was completely ready to kill him and almost focused attention to him for a lynch but then he asked for a replacement.

sunfan was the usurper and seemed to think he could pull fast ones on me and try to manipulate me. He also was trying to take control a lot of the time and there was no way I was going to let that happen considering he wanted to kill another wolf, so we definitely butt heads during the game a little bit. I didn't like the erratic posting either. Fortunately because of it when it came to Mexico he was the one to be killed. I actually flat out told him I felt as though Mexico was the vengeful nation and he stated he still wanted to kill him off. After the game he admitted to me that he had hoped that Mexico would have killed me, guess that backfired :3 He would tell lies and then recant them later on and it made it more difficult to work together as a team as well. He would get all over the place because of needing to kill of gradiant.
I know that the usurper needs the head wolf dead to win but I think a better strategy would be to get the game down to where it's closer to a wolf win while keeping a small amount of heat towards that main wolf and then turning for the kill in a lynch situation. Not bouncing like a ping pong so that you're making yourself and fellow wolves look fishy. I didn't like the following my votes on the first day, especially because I really was just trying to get more people to talk early on in the game. The more people that are talking and giving away information the easier it is to hide being a wolf.

Honestly because of the behaviors from UF and sunfan plus the lack of posting by gradiant early on I can't believe we pulled off a win. It took luck and a lot of manipulation on my part (sorry Funnygurl). It was really fun getting to be a wolf though. I love strategizing and if you were to ask the other wolves I'm sure they'd tell you how much I was talking lol.

[psychoangel691]

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lol oops ended up back in the US account when that posted. Oh well

[Gradiant]

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Myself and a few others called Germany early on during day 1, so I'm not throwing them praise, even if they lasted for a bit past day 1.

You guys had plenty of time to kill me then, why didn't you?

Aside of that, I was wanting to guess netjet! as egypt because the "cool beans" (dont hear this often at all) response for my reads list came in in forum search with few people including him and i was sure ive seen him playing twg before. Good thing i didnt go through with that. Nice guess psychoangel

[TWG Iran]

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Germany should have died when france flipped as usurper nation.

This post gave germany away:

Hey Egypt. I'm pretty sure I know who Germany is. Their style is almost a perfect match for their play... if the majority finds them suspicious, which I believe they do, I'm down to try and kill them, as I'm almost 100% sure of who they are. I'm not sure if I've answered everything you want to know, but please, ask if you have more questions.

P.S. Sleeping on it was a good idea
P.S.S. Mexico is one vote away from insta... unvote so that we don't lynch too quickly.

Why would france obsess over a nation's name like that? If france was the usurper trying to kill the head terrorist.