TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

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  • YoshL
    Celestial Harbor
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    • Aug 2008
    • 6156

    #346
    Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

    Quick stuff analyzing new people

    eva is leaning town for me, esp. with her answer to the question that I posed


    Because it's mostly wrong in principle (in my opinion). Having IC really means there's one person you can trust. It means every single person has to be incredibly cautious when talking to the IC, because even town can say/do something really stupid and end up looking really wolfy. (see case: j-rodd/fiction). However, I'm really playing off the fact that eva's new and hasn't put too much thought into all of this. The fact that she's already put the IC in a fairly optimistic place tells me loads about her view, assuming she isn't trying to purpousefully mask her feelings, which I think she isn't. An honest answer that she thought of. If she was a wolf, I think she'd have definitely put much more thought into this.

    honestly, it's not that much of an "advantage", and drizz puts it much better in her post, but still not quite up to what I was looking for

    In urgency, yes. IC can hopefully be a good resource for that, but only because IC is confirmed town. Mafia statement is much better than eva's, however you can replace IC with "all non-mafia". Everyone's a threat, everyone needs to be cautious. This is also why I disagree so much with your statements defending j-rodd earlier

    "I think that danceguy is the most suspicious right now because he keeps trying to raise more suspicion for many people, instead of choosing one person."


    "I think he's the least suspicious because he states his opinions on a lot of things"

    Something just doesn't connect between the logic of these two statements. danceguy is suspicious...because he keeps trying to raise suspicion for lots of people. however, j-rodd is not suspicious because he states his opinions on alot of things. There's just a major disconnect right here that I'm fairly sure I don't have to explain.

    Her last post I linked is just playing super-overly cautious and conservative, which shouldn't be seen, at least this early in the game. It's been re-iterated in the thread I'm pretty sure, but we need activity and pushes. "I don't want him to be killed if he's really a townsperson" can apply to literally every single player in the game. And the second sentence offers no logical reasoning to not go for j-rodd.
    However, I really do think it's a bit of new player naievity on her part, because I still have my hunches on j-rodd flipping SK.

    ======

    What worries me about the new players is that (at least from what I did during the challenge board game) I really played up the fact that I was new, chatting to people how "oh I hope I do well" or "I hope i don't mess up or be really bad" and shit.

    so like, stuff like that won't fly. You can't sit back and try to flail your arms in the hopes that you do something right, you need to sit back, and think about what you need to do. kthx
    basically, your input is valued, because you two come from a perspective that no-one else has :P

    again, leanning much more town from eva, not so much drizz. V offers much explanation on TPS, go read his posts. And I do agree that the fluctuation of responses is kinda alarming. Also, j-rodd/fiction seems SK-ish to me.

    I do have more, although unsure as to what I think is right to post lol

    also, drizz, I don't know if you're just forgetting, or if you didn't actually read the thread, but pressure is needed. shouldn't have no vote placed at this point


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    • dAnceguy117
      new hand moves = dab
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      • Dec 2002
      • 10103

      #347
      Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

      Sweet. That question about IC was better thought-out than some stuff I've tried haha.

      Originally posted by drizzleRomanceGirl
      However, I'm not that sure yet, so for now I'm going to vote for a:
      No lynch
      Please reconsider. Day phases are the only opportunity to get rid of wolves. If we don't lynch someone, then everyone will be stuck on the same reads they had during Day 1. We need to progress the game and move forward.

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      • Krauthammer
        FFR Player
        • May 2012
        • 362

        #348
        Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

        I think that drizz has more chances to be human than evanescence.

        I feel that drizz is making an effort to try to contribute to the human cause, and judging by her posts, she has at least been paying attention to the thread, and trying to form an opinion of everybody.

        Aaaaaaaand...yeah, her no lynch post kinda settled the deal for me. I think the reasoning that lead to that vote is a human-new-player reasoning, something true and unbiased. In terms of "I'm not sure what to do, so I'll take the nolynch route"

        evanescence...I can't say I have much to say about that player.

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        • YoshL
          Celestial Harbor
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          • Aug 2008
          • 6156

          #349
          Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

          Originally posted by Krauthammer
          I think that drizz has more chances to be human than evanescence.

          I feel that drizz is making an effort to try to contribute to the human cause, and judging by her posts, she has at least been paying attention to the thread, and trying to form an opinion of everybody.

          Aaaaaaaand...yeah, her no lynch post kinda settled the deal for me. I think the reasoning that lead to that vote is a human-new-player reasoning, something true and unbiased. In terms of "I'm not sure what to do, so I'll take the nolynch route"

          evanescence...I can't say I have much to say about that player.
          You can't rule out the reasoning of
          "I'm a new-wolf-player and I don't want to draw more suspicion to myself than needed to I'll avoid voting wrong with a no-lynch"

          Kraut, you should know better than to immediately clear someone, even a new person on day 1.


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          • FictionJunction
            FFR Player
            • Nov 2006
            • 3843

            #350
            Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

            Originally posted by drizzleRomanceGirl
            No lynch
            Voting not to lynch is unacceptable behaviour if you're doing it because you're not sure who to vote for. You should only do no lynch votes when a mob of people are trying to kill someone and all you know is that the person likely to get lynched is innocent.

            Change your vote, we're all going to be held accountable.
            Originally posted by j-rodd123
            wow

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            • FictionJunction
              FFR Player
              • Nov 2006
              • 3843

              #351
              Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

              I just want to remind everyone that if there's a single wolf truth in TWG is that good wolves act more like humans than humans do. Bad wolves are transparent. Bad humans think they can see the bad wolves. Good humans don't jump to quick conclusions.
              Originally posted by j-rodd123
              wow

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              • FictionJunction
                FFR Player
                • Nov 2006
                • 3843

                #352
                Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                All I see are bad humans
                Originally posted by j-rodd123
                wow

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                • James May
                  FFR Player
                  • Oct 2012
                  • 3817

                  #353
                  Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                  Driz...at this point a no lynch is not an option...
                  bananas


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                  • FictionJunction
                    FFR Player
                    • Nov 2006
                    • 3843

                    #354
                    Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                    Originally posted by YoshL
                    You can't rule out the reasoning of
                    "I'm a new-wolf-player and I don't want to draw more suspicion to myself than needed to I'll avoid voting wrong with a no-lynch"
                    no lynches are suspicious precisely because of this and any wolf would know better not to draw suspicion to himself by doing something that will draw heat from players who don't know better (you)

                    You've got to at least try to think a few levels below what you see in the thread.
                    Originally posted by j-rodd123
                    wow

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                    • YoshL
                      Celestial Harbor
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                      • Aug 2008
                      • 6156

                      #355
                      Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                      Originally posted by FictionJunction
                      no lynches are suspicious precisely because of this and any wolf would know better not to draw suspicion to himself by doing something that will draw heat from players who don't know better (you)

                      You've got to at least try to think a few levels below what you see in the thread.
                      And at the same time, you can't ever rule out possibilities of meta-games from wolves that decide to go against that. Instead of always thinking a few levels below, it's sometimes beneficial to keep a mind elsewhere.

                      point taken however.


                      Originally posted by Charu
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                      • FictionJunction
                        FFR Player
                        • Nov 2006
                        • 3843

                        #356
                        Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                        the wolf mindset is one of 100% paranoia - everything is harder for wolves. There aren't many players who are 100% comfortable playing as a wolf so I assume every wolf in the game is freaking out just a little bit. Humans are allowed to be carefree. No paranoid wolf would confidently do a no vote on day one.
                        Originally posted by j-rodd123
                        wow

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                        • YoshL
                          Celestial Harbor
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                          #357
                          Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                          also, still keep in mind that i think, most everyone is expecting eva and drizz to slip up at least somewhat if they're wolves, just due to inexperience. (it's why i made my analysis post earlier)


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                          • YoshL
                            Celestial Harbor
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                            • Aug 2008
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                            #358
                            Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                            back to lurking kthxbye


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                            • FictionJunction
                              FFR Player
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 3843

                              #359
                              Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                              if you're not focused on finding the wolf ringleader then you're not playing the game
                              Originally posted by j-rodd123
                              wow

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                              • FoJaR
                                The Worst
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 2816

                                #360
                                Re: TWG XCVIII: A bunch of people in a room playing mafia

                                VOTECOUNT: Day 1 (ends Tuesday 8PM EST)

                                tps (3): dance, v, yoman
                                yoman(3): tps, kraut, xiz
                                drizz (2): fiction, evan
                                eva (1): james
                                james (1): vicc

                                No Lynch (1): drizz

                                4 votes away from lynch

                                yet to vote: manti, yoshl

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