TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

**_Zenith_** · 09-19-2016, 03:44 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

I saw one post from Haku and guessed he was a wolf, mfw right

Specifically the post where you proclaimed to not want to vote d0 like I usually want to but it doesn't work out.

**Hakulyte** · 09-19-2016, 03:45 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by botchi246

yall a bunch of hos! charu good game!!! nice job. dbp was solid the whole game for me. haku and charu, i only ended up pairing near the end of my life but oh well. not like anyone was really looking to me for good reads

I legit wanted to keep you alive as long as possible because I thought your game was really interesting overall. (from a wolf point of view)

I'm kind of sad Charu wanted to kill you.

Part of me really wanted to get Charu killed and try to reach endgame myself, but I do realize there's no way someone like me could have won the end by myself.

**Hakulyte** · 09-19-2016, 03:47 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by _Zenith_

I saw one post from Haku and guessed he was a wolf, mfw right

Specifically the post where you proclaimed to not want to vote d0 like I usually want to but it doesn't work out.

I still don't understand why they didn't kill me Day 1 instead of R.E. Aryxi.

I would have kept him alive out of courtesy because first game and went with either myself or botchi thesunfan as town @ I would have died because thesunfan wasn't going to die.

I didn't vote because killing myself is a nonsense ergo I should have died.

I probably should have voted Charu Day 1 just to make people go ""wtf was that".

hint for reading me: I suck at lying. @ I usually tell the truth or say white noise.

Most of my WvW interactions with Charu are literally me wanting to kill Charu.

**MixMasterLar** · 09-19-2016, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by Charu

Here you go fella's

A fascinating read.

Killing Cedo/Storn is an alternative reality that I am not sure would have had a different winner, although for sure I would have probably grilled you some more, Charu

**ShadoWolfe** · 09-19-2016, 03:58 PM

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Originally posted by Hakulyte

Part of me really wanted to get Charu killed and try to reach endgame myself, but I do realize there's no way someone like me could have won the end by myself.

You totally can, you just have to play like you did in that phase, but with less nervous excitement. You kept saying things along the lines of "DBP I will vote however you want me to", and that screamed overeager wolf a lot more than scared town.

"Someone like you" can win this all by themselves, just keep calm and know how your posts are gonna be perceived. Your plays before that last phase were godawful though, in terms of not sharing reads until the end and not really voting until insta, and then hammering. Plan ahead and be flexible. Never think you can't do something. Just do it.

**thesunfan** · 09-19-2016, 03:58 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by Charu

For the record, I still think that's a crap way to go about finding a wolf. But to each there own I suppose.

its a good way of finding some wolves

in a game where you don't know anyone else, its a good baseline

if its known that a player (such as Charu or myself or AA or someone) can post a lot as a wolf, its not useful and can lead to some unfortunate scenarios

there is not and never will be a set of things that only town or wolves can do, and posting a lot is one of them

**Hakulyte** · 09-19-2016, 04:05 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by ShadoWolfe

You totally can, you just have to play like you did in that phase, but with less nervous excitement. You kept saying things along the lines of "DBP I will vote however you want me to", and that screamed overeager wolf a lot more than scared town.

"Someone like you" can win this all by themselves, just keep calm and know how your posts are gonna be perceived. Your plays before that last phase were godawful though, in terms of not sharing reads until the end and not really voting until insta, and then hammering. Plan ahead and be flexible. Never think you can't do something. Just do it.

I'm not talking about my tone.

I'm talking about my ability to write content and make it work. How I play is still way too shaky and even as Town it keeps making me get killed because I can't hold up every time I try to argue with someone. You can effectively kill me every game by arguing with me regardless of your alignment.

**thesunfan** · 09-19-2016, 04:06 PM

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hopefully, this makes people realize the importance of not claiming VT d0

now, the only people that left checks were the two wolves, MML and myself, with indheart kind of doing a weird thing where he wasn't claiming vt but didn't leave a check (which I think is better than claiming vt but worse than softing a green so I don't really understand this decision)

MML's check (thanks for leaving a check btw I'm glad that it seems like you understand the importance of not claiming VT now) was on a wolf, which was unfortunate, but assuming that it wasn't, wolves have at least a 50/50 guess on the cop if they aren't interested in killing indheart, which is still really bad for town

basically, if you're vanilla town, you need to pretend to the cop in this setup. It is of the utmost importance to town's victory chances. We haven't even really seen the cop do anything in this setup yet, but its pretty important that the seer survive n1 in order for town to stand a relative chance of winning the game, and it also makes the game a lot more (popcorn) because it usually forces wolves into a fakeclaim all-or-nothing on d2.

I think that town, despite this fact, played well, but were not confident in the right reads.

it is incredibly disappointing that even with 12/12 phases, cedo can not seem to stay interested in games. I hope this is not the norm but if I were to bet, I would bet that it is.

I think MML's play was better than it has been in his most recent games so that was good to see.

Also, I thought arnt was supposed to be the replacement?

**YoshL** · 09-19-2016, 04:12 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

arnt probably didn't respond quickly enough

charu was bursting brain cells though at haku tbh

**inDheart** · 09-19-2016, 04:12 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by thesunfan

hopefully, this makes people realize the importance of not claiming VT d0

now, the only people that left checks were the two wolves, MML and myself, with indheart kind of doing a weird thing where he wasn't claiming vt but didn't leave a check (which I think is better than claiming vt but worse than softing a green so I don't really understand this decision)

MML's check (thanks for leaving a check btw I'm glad that it seems like you understand the importance of not claiming VT now) was on a wolf, which was unfortunate, but assuming that it wasn't, wolves have at least a 50/50 guess on the cop if they aren't interested in killing indheart, which is still really bad for town

main reason i didn't leave a real check is because the strategy had already been called out by the time i entered, and i thought it might be hard to make that look organic. i've since rethought that and it's basically a net positive regardless of timing on the first day. i would've claimed aryxi green.

but cedo why -_-

**Hakulyte** · 09-19-2016, 04:13 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

I really liked MML's game too.

He mostly had the game in the bag from my point of view, at least up to when I died.

**pedolad** · 09-19-2016, 04:15 PM

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sorry guys. I probably wont be playing any more since my gf (whom I live with) won't let me on the internet for extended periods of time anymore.

so see ya was fun

**pedolad** · 09-19-2016, 04:18 PM

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the only time I'm away from her where I do have time to go on for more than hour is at work, and well working and playing twig is not suitable.

so until I defuse this situation, I'll have to take a break from twig

**Hakulyte** · 09-19-2016, 04:20 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by YoshL

charu was bursting brain cells though at haku tbh

Yeah, I can't count the amount of posts where he's like "haku wtf are you doing/facepalm".

**AragakiAyase** · 09-19-2016, 04:21 PM

Re: TWG Turbo IV Post-Game

Originally posted by thesunfan

hopefully, this makes people realize the importance of not claiming VT d0

now, the only people that left checks were the two wolves, MML and myself, with indheart kind of doing a weird thing where he wasn't claiming vt but didn't leave a check (which I think is better than claiming vt but worse than softing a green so I don't really understand this decision)

MML's check (thanks for leaving a check btw I'm glad that it seems like you understand the importance of not claiming VT now) was on a wolf, which was unfortunate, but assuming that it wasn't, wolves have at least a 50/50 guess on the cop if they aren't interested in killing indheart, which is still really bad for town

basically, if you're vanilla town, you need to pretend to the cop in this setup. It is of the utmost importance to town's victory chances. We haven't even really seen the cop do anything in this setup yet, but its pretty important that the seer survive n1 in order for town to stand a relative chance of winning the game, and it also makes the game a lot more (popcorn) because it usually forces wolves into a fakeclaim all-or-nothing on d2.

I think that town, despite this fact, played well, but were not confident in the right reads.

it is incredibly disappointing that even with 12/12 phases, cedo can not seem to stay interested in games. I hope this is not the norm but if I were to bet, I would bet that it is.

I think MML's play was better than it has been in his most recent games so that was good to see.

Also, I thought arnt was supposed to be the replacement?

in all fairness, he seemed to have a legitimate reason, although I'll wait to see if he can talk about it. It is unfortunate either way though.

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