jTWG XXIV: iTWG

[thunderstrike687]

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Okay, has anyone even bothered to consider the fact that if demon was a wolf, who knew he was going to die, why wouldn't a wolf vote for themselves? It is already throwing you off. If he was a wolf, he is trying to make it seem like he wasn't. It makes complete sense. He has made himself appear human. What you have not considered is that HE COULD HAVE BEEN A WOLF. I do onot know for sure obviously if he was a wolf, but it is a possibility worth considering, unless you can provide evidence beyond reasonable doubt for why he is a human.

[thunderstrike687]

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And by the way, this is not to say I am not also considering that he was human. I just dont think we should disregard the possibility at this point.

[T3hDDRKid]

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But the thing is, he didn't know he was going to die - he was being accused, but could have very well defended himself against most accusations and possibly pulled through. However, he just said "screw this" and voted himself. Very immature, in my opinion, but he seems much more likely to be human, in my opinion.

[nijatwo]

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Player's reactions to being lynched are very wishy-washy grounds for any statement, be it "he was a wolf/human" or "these people are all wolves/humans". I'd try not use it as the basis for any decisions.

[flawofhumanity]

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Player's reactions to being lynched are very wishy-washy grounds for any statement, be it "he was a wolf/human" or "these people are all wolves/humans". I'd try not use it as the basis for any decisions.

I agree, and anyways, in my opinion Demon is much too eccentric to be named either human OR wolf in any kind of certainty. Bickering about whether or not he was a wolf will have its time or place, but it isn't right now. Right now we need to start gathering our suspicions and organizing them in a way other people can make sense of them, post them, and actually get something done BEFORE 4 hours before the lynch.

[jugglinguy]

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I am newly suspicious of those that jumped at the chance to vote Demon. P.S. For easy reference, here is the list

thunderstrike687
DarkManticoreX2
x3Mamimi
jugglinguy
X3R0H0UR

The reason why i voted for him was because he wouldn't just say: ok i'm voting for myself if

a) his vote actually mattered
or
b) he wanted his votes off of him because of he is a wolf

Besides it was pretty much the only lead there was, I know there isn't that much info up there, but it's a lead, something we were lacking.

[x3Mamimi]

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I wouldn't have voted for Demon if I didn't think he was a wolf.

If he were actually 'obviously Human' ...no one would have voted for him. It wasn't bandwagon on my or manticore's part. We both posted at around the same time, as in, I hadn't read his when I posted.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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"WAKE UP!" yelled flawofhumanity. "I went to bed last night, assuming it would be my last, and you idiots make me live through another killing of a friend?" he continued.

"Flaw, what are you talking about?" asked jugglinguy.

"FictionJunction IS DEAD. WE NEED TO PUT A STOP TO THIS ****.

And so the village returned to the elder's house, with two less populating their ranks than the previous day, in hopes that the threat will soon be gone.

How much longer will it take?

FictionJunction IS DEAD.

It is now day 3, day will end Saturday at midnight. (EST)

Players sill alive:
kentbball
flawofhumanity
X3R0H0UR
jugglinguy
x3Mamimi
jwcgator
thunderstrike687
DarkManticoreX2
T3hDDRKid
Yesssss
Farka
nijatwo

[flawofhumanity]

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Farka Is a wolf. Let me explain here. As part of my plan that I posted, I told Farka first, and then FARKA told fiction, and later as the seer came out it came to the point where I had to post that I came out to a mason and THAT'S why the seer came to me. Well, if Farka here is smart enough to put two and two together, that would mean he knew Fiction was the seer.

Fiction warned me that if he died farka is likely to be a wolf, and it seems that this is coming together now. Without a seer, this game will be ultimately harder, but we will indeed see VERY soon whether or not we still have a chance.

[FictionJunction]

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[Farka]

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True, I DID have close ties to Fiction, but you fail to consider the fact that I had nothing else to go on and I had very little to trust at the time. You're saying that because I told Fiction that your a mason because I needed his input on whether it was BS or not, that I figured that HE came out to you days later out of ALL the other players. No, if anything, I figured Fiction was the Master Wolf at times. He was very theoretical and he was always bringing up the possibilities. So regardless I always kept a safe distance from him.

This is how I figured it:

Flaw tells me he's a Mason after I explain my theory of why I think he's human(it was because of his caution in the game).

Nakah92: hey
RedRumForTheRich: hey
Nakah92: is there a chat going on?
RedRumForTheRich: not that i know of
RedRumForTheRich: I just got here
RedRumForTheRich: like
RedRumForTheRich: ten minutes ago
Nakah92: ah ok
Nakah92: I don't think one is going on.
RedRumForTheRich: ah
RedRumForTheRich: that's ok
RedRumForTheRich: it wouldn't be about jtwg
RedRumForTheRich: if it was going on
RedRumForTheRich: pnt is dead
RedRumForTheRich: that's so unexpected
RedRumForTheRich: He was my main suspect
RedRumForTheRich: Man...I really thought I had something =\
Nakah92: I trust you. Give me a second and I'll explain why.
Nakah92: You're style of playing this game is very different. Last game you were much more layed back. That is because you were a wolf an knew who the humans were. This game you are MUCH more cautious and you're pulling more suspicions out of people. This is proving that you're unsure who to trust. Thus, making you seem human.
Nakah92: You're being more cautious than last game, and it's making me believe you're human/mason.
Nakah92: So, assuming you are what you seem...perhaps we should make a psuedo-alliance.
RedRumForTheRich is idle at 12:40:19 AM.
RedRumForTheRich is no longer idle at 12:42:50 AM.
RedRumForTheRich: ah.
RedRumForTheRich: Well how about this, I'm a mason.
RedRumForTheRich: Now it's your move =P
Nakah92: Hmm..
Nakah92: I'm human.
RedRumForTheRich: Hmm, we'll see.
Nakah92: now it's back to where we started
RedRumForTheRich: By the way, don't leak what I said to everyone.
Nakah92: whether we cna trust each other
Nakah92: Ofcourse I won't
Nakah92: that'd be bad for us
RedRumForTheRich: well anyways
RedRumForTheRich: i'll tell you my thoughts
RedRumForTheRich: I've got A LOT to say about pnt
RedRumForTheRich: and I'll post it later
RedRumForTheRich: but
RedRumForTheRich: my second suspect
RedRumForTheRich: was you.
Nakah92: why's this
Nakah92: because of our conversation last night?
RedRumForTheRich: i don't know, kind of
RedRumForTheRich: your dismissal
RedRumForTheRich: of everything so quickly
RedRumForTheRich: to pretty much anything i proposed
RedRumForTheRich: you were just like "oh it's night 1"
Nakah92: It was
Nakah92: what was I supposed to pull out of it?
RedRumForTheRich: I don't know
RedRumForTheRich: nothing really
RedRumForTheRich: it was just fluff
Nakah92: you were the first person I talked to
RedRumForTheRich: I'm just saying
RedRumForTheRich: the quickness
RedRumForTheRich: in which you dismissed it
Nakah92: I was making more jokes than conversation
RedRumForTheRich: you didn't consider
RedRumForTheRich: anything
RedRumForTheRich: i know
RedRumForTheRich: I'm not saying"OMGWOLF!"
RedRumForTheRich: I'm just saying.
Nakah92: Well last night's conversation has made me believe that you're human, or mason.
Nakah92: You were suspecting everything I said
Nakah92: and took it all very seriously
RedRumForTheRich: afk
Nakah92: which makes you seem human/mason.
Nakah92: If I was a wolf though, why would I try to prove that you're human?
Nakah92: A wolf would try to do the opposite.

Second, I showed this conversation to Fiction, because to be honest and not to pick on you guys....he's a lot smarter than a lot of you and I needed his input to be able to confirm whether flaw was bull****ting us.

Yeah Flaw, you're going with the only possibility that would make sense of the situation.

At the time I told Fiction that you were a mason, you weren't confirmed as a mason at all yet. You had told me that you were a Mason and I saw it as a possible way of tricking me into thinking you were a mason. It was very early in the game.

The people who are going to back up flaw's theory will most likely be masons/wolves. I demand that you all allow this day to last so that I can clear this up.

Flaw, I was NOT the only one who could have known that he was the seer. You told EVERYONE that you were the mason before the seer even came out to you. Therefore, ANYONE could have assumed he was the seer. You're throwing me into it because I am the one who showed him the conversation, but in the end, everybody knew before this kill. So you can't just point your finger at one person.

There will be more to come when it isn't 1:00 a.m.

[flawofhumanity]

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I'm not saying he CAME OUT TO YOU. I'm saying that you KNEW he was a seer.


Let's go through this simply.

You knew I was a mason before I came out publicly. Correct?

You knew that HE knew I was a mason before I came out publicly. Correct?

Then, that same day, I said the seer came out to me. Correct?

When asked why he trusted me, a day later, I said because I told him I was a mason, Correct?

Well then, at this point YOU are the only other person besides me and the seer who knew that he knew I was a mason, and also that he was the only one besides you. Correct?

Therefore, YOU KNEW that you weren't the seer, so through process of elimination, you KNEW Fiction was the seer since day 2 began. Correct?

And of course, if by some chance you are human, and you really didn't know he was a seer, you're ignorant.

[Yesssss]

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You're too convincing flaw. I'd think up of paths that we could go on now, but I need to go to bed.

I'll believe the story since FJ on AIM made a very detailed analysis of what the seer should do in every case, and he even specifically said "makilaz is red" as if he knew it for a fact. Also he said that flaw would not leave the info of the seer's name, and the fact that flaw just said the seer's name when he died points to even more evidence. I can provide the exact logs tomorrow if anybody wants them.

I'm convinced.

Farka

[Farka]

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I need to sleep it's 2:19 a.m. and I will explain myself tommorow if everyone will just hold their votes. To vote me off before I can explain and defend myself would be unfair and a bad decision. I'll post tommorow at 6 or 7:00 p.m. after track practice.

[nijatwo]

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@ all: remember, bandwagoning for an instalynch isn't always the best idea. Votes this early worry me (even though the argument is pretty damn convincing). I trusted fiction, and I've got some stuff I need to look over, but I think he and I had thought through some things that are going to make this a little more clear.