TWG Game Building Thread

[YoshL]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

so in your setup, detail:
how many total players?
how many mason pairs?
how many werewolves?
what happens if a werewolf is given a vigilante power, do the werewolves get two kills in the night?

an immediate problem i see:
masons claim that they're masons with each other, and then the gun will go to that mason every single time, preventing werewolves from killing a confirmed human for the entire game. Then the game devolves into normal TWG almost, so the novelty is lost really quickly

[Rex96]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

so in your setup, detail:
how many total players?
how many mason pairs?
how many werewolves?
what happens if a werewolf is given a vigilante power, do the werewolves get two kills in the night?

an immediate problem i see:
masons claim that they're masons with each other, and then the gun will go to that mason every single time, preventing werewolves from killing a confirmed human for the entire game. Then the game devolves into normal TWG almost, so the novelty is lost really quickly

It can go with 12, 16 and 20 players.

12 Players : 2 Mason, 3 Werewolves
16 Players : 3 Mason, 4 Werewolves
20 Players : 3 Mason, 5 Werewolves

Yes, if werewolves got the gun, they can get another kill during the night.

How can the gun go to the mason every single time ?
how can someone be confirmed human if there's no seer ? unless the mason got lucky and kill the werewolves.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

the masons can claim that they're masons. if anyone else counterclaims, then there would have to be that many counterclaims at least for it to even be considered. you get confirmed humans through that, giving a mason the gun every single time

even with 3 masons claiming a masonry, and 3 wolves out of 5 in a game of 20 counterclaiming, you simply give the gun to someone in that group. best case scenario is that you have 2 masons dead the next morning because a werewolf gets the gun, otherwise you have a mason and werewolf dead.
worst case = 1 confirmed mason, and 5 wolves, with 18 players. you take out 3 townies and the 3 confirmed wolves, and it's a game of 1 confirmed town, 2 wolves, 12 people total, which is worse off for the wolves, and is very heavily town sided
best case, you have 2 confirmed masons, and 4 wolves, with 18 players. you take out 1 of the confirmed masons, 1 town, and 2 more wolves, leaving a game of 14 total - 2 wolves, and 1 confirmed town, which is even more horridly town sided

with 4 werewolves and 16 players
worst case
1 confirmed mason, 1 werewolf, 8 players.
best case
1 confirmed mason, 1 werewolf, 10 players.

with 3 werewolves, 2 masons and 12 players, this is the only one where you may lose all confirmed humans with 2 werewolves, however it's still lol. having a game revolve around this is really dumb

[Rex96]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

the masons can claim that they're masons. if anyone else counterclaims, then there would have to be that many counterclaims at least for it to even be considered. you get confirmed humans through that, giving a mason the gun every single time

Oh, I did not think about that..

Yes, if there's only 1 Counterclaim ( from werewolves) then it's obvious..

I'll think about it later, maybe I should remove the mason role or change the gun mechanism

[YoshL]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

if you wanted to do something like ->if you lynch a townsperson, they will die, but they get a vigi during the night.
if you lynch a wolf, they die and wolves get a nightkill

or something like that. it still leaves 1 kill per phase

although i think this is an already existing setup lol

[Rex96]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

even with 3 masons claiming a masonry, and 3 wolves out of 5 in a game of 20 counterclaiming, you simply give the gun to someone in that group. best case scenario is that you have 2 masons dead the next morning because a werewolf gets the gun, otherwise you have a mason and werewolf dead.
worst case = 1 confirmed mason, and 5 wolves, with 18 players. you take out 3 townies and the 3 confirmed wolves, and it's a game of 1 confirmed town, 2 wolves, 12 people total, which is worse off for the wolves, and is very heavily town sided
best case, you have 2 confirmed masons, and 4 wolves, with 18 players. you take out 1 of the confirmed masons, 1 town, and 2 more wolves, leaving a game of 14 total - 2 wolves, and 1 confirmed town, which is even more horridly town sided

with 4 werewolves and 16 players
worst case
1 confirmed mason, 1 werewolf, 8 players.
best case
1 confirmed mason, 1 werewolf, 10 players.

with 3 werewolves, 2 masons and 12 players, this is the only one where you may lose all confirmed humans with 2 werewolves, however it's still lol. having a game revolve around this is really dumb

Reading this makes me remember how bad I am at math..

if you wanted to do something like ->if you lynch a townsperson, they will die, but they get a vigi during the night.
if you lynch a wolf, they die and wolves get a nightkill

or something like that. it still leaves 1 kill per phase

although i think this is an already existing setup lol

how about just remove the mason, and the amount of werewolves = 1/4 of players total ?

So there would be only Humans, Werewolves, and the gun.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

i think, in the end it still becomes the same problem as rzr's setup, where there's a potential for all the playing power to rest in like 1 person who inevitably gets town read by everyone, and they end up getting the gun like very single night. while people can still be like "you need to shoot x or y tonight", in the end, it's that one person that would end up making that decision, and the game starts revolving around them

idk

[Rex96]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

i think, in the end it still becomes the same problem as rzr's setup, where there's a potential for all the playing power to rest in like 1 person who inevitably gets town read by everyone, and they end up getting the gun like very single night. while people can still be like "you need to shoot x or y tonight", in the end, it's that one person that would end up making that decision, and the game starts revolving around them

idk

then it would be the same thing as I make a Hunter role.. where he is the only can shoot/kill...

Which is not my purpose for making the setup

I'll change the gun mechanism then..

[rzr]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

So I had an idea a few nights ago that I know we've tried in various forms, but what'd you guys think about role switching games?

Like a musical chairs type thing - Each phase during twilight the roles are all re-rolled. So say out of 10 players (or more)
D1 - player x gets lynched, flips as a PR
At twilight (before night, but after day) I go back to the RNG machine, plug in the remaining 9 players and remaining 9 roles and re-roll.

No wolves would likely start and finish on the same team. Your role is almost 100% guaranteed to change, so you could go from a human to a wolf all of a sudden, but still have no idea who the previous wolves are, only your current partners.

Thoughts? If it could be arranged I think this would be a blast to play/host.

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

So I had an idea a few nights ago that I know we've tried in various forms, but what'd you guys think about role switching games?

Like a musical chairs type thing - Each phase during twilight the roles are all re-rolled. So say out of 10 players (or more)
D1 - player x gets lynched, flips as a PR
At twilight (before night, but after day) I go back to the RNG machine, plug in the remaining 9 players and remaining 9 roles and re-roll.

No wolves would likely start and finish on the same team. Your role is almost 100% guaranteed to change, so you could go from a human to a wolf all of a sudden, but still have no idea who the previous wolves are, only your current partners.

Thoughts? If it could be arranged I think this would be a blast to play/host.

Honestly this sounds like Battlestar when YoshL, Roundbox, Lurker, YoshL's friend (can't recall his name) and myself played a game

[rzr]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

How well did it work out? I've played/hosted where targets get "bit" and transform into a wolf, and ones where there could be a "cure" for a wolf to convert. But the mechanics are shaky - especially with the ladder.
That's why I think RNG all the way could work. Also considered making the wolves not know who each other are.

[YoshL]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

i think the concept is.super cool

i dont think it would work or be fun because its like tf2 team scramble. youll be winning or losing by chance, and scumhunting becomes dumb and stuff

if you had like a points based system based on how well each faction did for a phase that would be interesting, but then the people who die first pretty much always lose so its still no fun

[_Zenith_]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

i think the concept is.super cool

i dont think it would work or be fun because its like tf2 team scramble. youll be winning or losing by chance, and scumhunting becomes dumb and stuff

if you had like a points based system based on how well each faction did for a phase that would be interesting, but then the people who die first pretty much always lose so its still no fun

^ this

When we played we all were into it but it was entirely different from Mafia/TWG because it had a card system in it (not the only reason but this was a huge difference).

Seeing a point based system with this concept would probably work with enough tweaking and I'd be down to check it out and play it because honestly the switching faction mechanic is pretty cool because anything goes

[YoshL]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

something closer to bsg would be like

if you nightkill the sleeping wolf, who may or may not jnow that theyre the sleeping wolf, they awaken and become a full fledged wolf

if they get lynched, they get a kamikaze or something

[rzr]

Re: TWG Game Building Thread

if you had like a points based system based on how well each faction did for a phase that would be interesting, but then the people who die first pretty much always lose so its still no fun

That is an awesome idea, but like you said I would have to balance those that die initially. Hows this sound:

If the alignment you die with (wolf, town) is the team that wins you still gain victory points.
I.E. Manti is lynched d1. Manti is scum
rzr is lynched d2. Rzr is town.
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Wolves win!

Manti, having died as scum, would still win (just like a normal game).

As far as points go, I think this would be a decent start to a system:

1. Every day you are alive = 1 point
2. Lynching a successful target = 1 point (wolf convinces town to lynch town, wolf gets point. Town lynches scum, town gets 1 point)
3. Your teams success at end of game = 1 point

I had some other ideas, but I think these 3 point allocations provide a point system that can be applied to dead players. Meaning I would give you a point for a successful lynch target even if you are dead, as long as it fits your alignment upon death