TWG IX - Manhunt - End of Day 2 - Game Over

[Tasselfoot]

*Sounds from the engines of the plane make it difficult for everyone to hear the man talking. The group is in what appears to be a military aircraft. There are no seats, just 14 people sitting in the hull of the plane, listening intently to the speech.*

“Thank you again, all of you, for partaking in this epic adventure. You have all signed up for an extreme 4 day expedition through the wilderness. We are currently traveling south to the Amazon jungle, where you will parachute out of the plane. Once safely on the ground, well… the trip is up to you. After 96 hours are up, turn on your tracking beacons so that we may locate you and extract you.”

“Please double check that all of your supplies are in your possession and safely secured.”

*He puts his hand up to his ear. An earpiece can be seen.*

“We’re 5 minutes out, folks. Let me give all of you the final piece of information regarding this voyage. 13 of you signed up for this Amazon Adventure. The 14th is an employee of our company, an ex-Delta Force Lieutenant whose codename is Mirage. He has been given instructions to kill two of you each night that you are in the jungle.”

*Shouts of horror and outrage fill the hull.*

“What the hell is the meaning of this?!” screams Gamma.

“How dare you set us up!” exclaims Zeta.

“You can’t get away with this!” yells Sigma.

“I’m pretty sure that I am getting away with this. At this point, none of you have any say in the matter. Fine print is a bitch, isn’t it? I digress. On to the good news for all of you. Should any of you survive all four days, or somehow manage to kill our fine Delta, you will be brought back to headquarters, given $250,000, and offered a position within our company. I believe this is your stop, everyone. Good luck!”

*He quickly exits through a door leading to the cockpit. The sound of a strong lock is distinctly heard. The back of the plane beings to open, and the cockpit wall begins to slowly move towards the group to force them all out of the plane.*

NOTES:

All of you will be given codenames, which I hope will be used throughout the game. It makes the scenario more realistic. Assuming that the person with codename Delta is the hunted is foolish. As always, no information will be given out by me or through my stories.

Again, no PMs will be sent out. Mirage has already been contacted and knows who he/she/it is.

Turning on one’s beacon before 96 hours is up will immediately notify Mirage of your location (For the purpose of the story. So don’t try to use that as a way to win.)

PLAYERS:

Alainbryden - Alpha
Blahblah18 - Beta
Chardish - Gamma
Charlotte21 - Delta
Evilbutterfly - Epsilon
GuidoHunter - Zeta
HansSky - Iota
Kefit - Kappa
Kilgamayan - Lambda
Nforcer06164 – Mu
Roopert - Omicron
The_Q – Pi
Tps222 - Rho
Tsuteto - Sigma


Afro signed up, but it was eb who signed up for him. I realized this gave them an unfair edge over everyone else, so I booted Afro from the game. Guido takes his spot.

Waiting on Mirage's choices on who to kill. It is now Night 1.

[Tasselfoot]

*Parachutes rain down into the jungle, with the majority of the hunted coming together in a close LZ*

*30 minutes pass while waiting for the entire group to come together to form a plan of action.*

Alpha decides to take charge, counting up how many of them there are. He sees that two are missing. “Guys, we’re missing two from our group. Does anyone know which two?"

Zeta calls out, "I'm pretty sure that Gamma and Epsilon aren’t here. Where could they have gone?”

Lambda nods in agreement, "It’s definitely Gamma and Epsilon."

"Well, we should go looking for them, right?" asks Iota.

Beta looks around, then sighs. "I guess we should split up into four groups of three each, and then meet back here at--*checks his watch, it reads 2230*--0100 to figure out what went wrong, how we got into this mess, and how we can get back alive."

"OK," agrees Alpha.

The teams split up and head off for two and a half hours. By 0100, all four teams are back.

"We came up blank," says Delta of herself, Mu, and Kappa.

"So did we," says Alpha of himself, Zeta, and Rho.

"There is something very interesting about 2.5 klicks to the west. We found a DB hanging from a tree. At first we thought that he just got caught in the tree, but looking closer, we noticed signs of foul play. It has to be the work of Mirage." states Iota of himself, Beta, and Pi.

"F*ckin' A. We found one too, about 2 klicks north of here. Same story. That Mirage has got to be a world class runner with amazing endurance to pull that off and still fit in with all of us. I'm not liking that information at all." proclaims Sigma of himself, Omicron, and Lambda.

"OK. So Gamma and Epsilon are dead. Do we have ANY idea which one of us is Mirage?" asks Zeta.

"I don't think any of us saw a goddamn thing. What I did think of though, is that we should kill off one person each day by popular vote, as our sole means of eliminating Mirage," theorizes Pi.

The rest all nod or grunt agreement.

"Good, then it’s settled. Let’s all get some rest, and meet back here at 0600 to start the day’s activities," says Rho.

"Shouldn't we post a guard or something?" asks Delta.

"For what purpose? Mirage already killed his two for today. Just get some rest. We'll all need it." declares Omicron.

And with that, everyone goes off to sleep.


IT IS NOW 0600 GAME TIME... you have until 8:00pm EST on Sunday to decide who to lynch. Insta is at 7 votes. Remember people... BE ACTIVE.

Also, I hope that all of you continue using the plot during the days. I may or may not contribute to furthering the plot during the daytime. I haven't decided yet.

Good Luck! IM me if you have any questions.

[chardish]

Am I dead?

*looks at chart*

Yes. Predictable. Well, back to working on Infiltration...see you all then.

[evilbutterfly]

I'll take this to mean I'm awesome enough to deserve a Night 1 kill. Thanks for the compliment, you bastard.

[alainbryden]

Well, I have an idea for targetting the wolf. I was thinking if I was a wolf, I might pull some confusion thing like AIM someone after the pre-game with something like "Have you gotten your pm yet? because I haven't," effectively telling the person that you were confused because you thought everyone got a pm, and seemingly unintentionally telling the person that you haden't gotten a pm, and thus were human. If anyone tried to pull this on you as the game started up, then bring their name forward and we have a wolf. This is just a thought, chances are no one used this strategy. I wouldn't have used it in the end because it would be so obvious, as a dedicated player, that I would have read the thread carefully.

[blahblah18]

shiet.. time to start the talkingt people...
Alpha (Alain) Beta (myself) and Delta (chardish) were talking during pre-game and futiley wasting time figuring out who Tass would choose.

I said that its a waste of thought that way because you can always outthink yoruself, and make jstifications for any person, so much more importantly is to analyze who was killed...

I feel those kills are really strong, and I'm not sure what to make of them, but remember people that we only have 4 chances at this, so we need to make good decisive picks.

[HansSky]

Honestly alain, I don't think they're that stupid. Not even the wolf was supposed to get a PM, just an IM by Tass.


So I don't think that would get us anywhere.

[Charlotte21]

For a seemingly random vote (as that is all our votes can really be yet), Pi.

I know that Pi is regarded as the smartest user on the boards, and to take out Gamma and Epsilon and not Pi seems in my opinion, a little strange. Not to say that Gamma and Epsilon are not great players, but Pi is also a great player. Though the hunted can only pick two people, and since we can see his mentality was "Get the most threatening people out ASAP", I would assume he would go for Pi, because Pi would seem equally, if not more, threatening.

[alainbryden]

Blah and I were talking about why the first two were picked of all the active and established players in this game. This sums up our reasoning so try to think a little higher than the wolves expect you to think.

mastr414: chardish and EB
mastr414: f*in great picks
mastr414: makes me think its you
mastr414: :-)
NEIGH006: really, because it makes me think it's you
NEIGH006: but isn't that what the wolves wanted?
mastr414: well duh

NEIGH006: I would have killed Chardish and EB actually
NEIGH006: If I were wolf
NEIGH006: it's perfect really
mastr414: i know
mastr414: it really is
mastr414: i'm f*in impressed

NEIGH006: chardish and eb are trustworthy generally and good players
mastr414: true
mastr414: they really are both trustworthy
NEIGH006: and Q you and I are great at racking up unwanted suspicion
NEIGH006: so there

[alainbryden]

Hans what did I write? "chances are no one used this strategy" "it would be so obvious". Nonetheless, if it happened, it happened, and that is our wolf. So I might as well say it.

Charlotte, good start but as I said, a truely smart wolf as most of TWG would be would take out a few good players than bad players to leave suspicion on the best players so that humans waste their lynchings thinking that the best players a wolves, otherwise they would have been wolfed yet. Don't make that the basis for your reasoning. That was very good evidence in TWG 4 but thinking is just going to higher and higher levels since then.

edited to include charlotte statement and again to say it was edited, because I didn't want to triple post.

[HansSky]

Alright alright. I just reread it a couple of times, and I got what you were trying to say. Sorry, I am just really out of it right now.

[Tasselfoot]

I just want to reiterate... impersonating the host in any way is cheating. It was brought to my attention that someone could fake my screenname on AIM (which is already clearly stated as cheating) to try and talk to the wolf.... Do not piss me off.

Also, "Assuming that the person with codename Delta is the hunted is foolish." Want to reiterate that as well. It is possible that Delta = Mirage, but there are 11 other possible Mirages as well.

Carry on.

[blahblah18]

you left out the part where I called us the tricksy ones :P
btw: I don't like how Delta is so educated about all this.. makes me wary, makes me also think she might try to save the smartest one for a lynch... she seemed to smart to make a random vote, yet she kinda sorta did...

also she was Gamma's (Chardish's) top suspicion :) not that it matters, cuz who'se to say they are right or wrong...
the reasoning (in my opinion its ridiculous, but chardish knows Tass better then I do and if you rather psychoanalyze him then use the info of the kills, this is for you) is that Delta is the one person in the story he gave us reason to not distrust, and therefore Tass would make delta the wolf... Charlotte had shown she knows what's what, and Tass would find it humorous to then pick her because none of us know her, yet she has info on all of us.
His further reasoning was that he then kicked Afro to make charlotte's name land on delta, but that's too absurd even for me :-p

[alainbryden]

Also,

Charlotte = Delta = 4th letter of greek alphabet. 4 days is a wolf win. :O

but don't worry Charlotte, we TWGers are better than this. We'll make it look like we have better reasons than that to vote you :P

[blahblah18]

well said.. I was going to say Alain = Alpha.. Blah = Beta... Chardish is dead so doesn't count.. Charlotte, Delta? C doesn't = D dun dun dun

[alainbryden]

ooh charlotte, sig is 690 pixels long, max is 500. Max width is 300, so you'll probably need to drop the spectre thing :S Sorry, but I got beat up for that, so :P

[Charlotte21]

Also,

Charlotte = Delta = 4th letter of greek alphabet. 4 days is a wolf win. :O

but don't worry Charlotte, we TWGers are better than this. We'll make it look like we have better reasons than that to vote you :P

Part of me feels like I'm being picked on for being a newb :(, and wondering if I should ignore these conspiracies alltogether.

[alainbryden]

yes

[Charlotte21]

yes

None the less this is distracting us from the real discussion at hand, and we need to get information flowing as quick as possible.

Every hour we waste silent is an hour handed to the hunted, who is an advantageous position since we have no leads for the entire day based on the people who have been killed.

Enough with the tass'-story-conspiracy, lets get some real discussion going.

[roopert]

How many of you have been contacted by Charlotte since the game started? I have. I was thinking that if I were a wolf who was new to this community, I would try to contact everyone and gather as much information as possible on them, so I would know who is the best choice for lyching. Perhaps on Night1 she just lynched people who had a good reputation because there was nothing else she had to go off of. I have been contacted by other people too, but since Charlotte seems to be our main suspect, I thought I'd add another perspective to her. (her, right?) Still no vote from me.

[Tps222]

Well, Charolette is a good idea, since Tass hinted at liking her(is it a her, or he) last game, so its a good choice, but i will have to see more on that. I have a little suspicion of Blah, though. He was in contact with EB all last game, and EB probably picked his style, so he got rid of him. Then i was talking to blah, and he said that he had a pregame convo with chardish, maybe chardish had somehow figured something out about blah, so blah had to dispose of him.

mastr414: i see you
mastr414: i know your'e browsing
mastr414: write a post
mastr414: a good once
Tps7910: actually
Tps7910: im there
mastr414: a good one
Tps7910: but im really nto
Tps7910: not
mastr414: ?
Tps7910: im typing a huge report paper thats dues tommarow
Tps7910: its worth half my grade
Tps7910: its on the Rise and Fall of the Roman empire
Tps7910: soill try to make some good posts
Tps7910: asap
mastr414: ok
mastr414: remember
mastr414: 15 posts before the day is over ;-)
Tps7910: yup
Tps7910: who do you find suspcious so far
mastr414: i don't know yet
Tps7910: well
mastr414: no one's psoted yet
Tps7910: if you had to kill someone right now
mastr414: when i see like 10 posts from each person
Tps7910: who would it be
mastr414: as a wolf, or as a human?
Tps7910: mine would be charoltte
Tps7910: humanb
mastr414: charlotte too
Tps7910: maybe guido, or nforcer
Tps7910: trying to think who tass would pick
mastr414: not chardish or eb
Tps7910: well
Tps7910: ther dead
mastr414: :-P
Tps7910: lol
Tps7910: so far im 2/2
Tps7910: but this 2 a night thing
Tps7910: is scaring me
mastr414: yup
Tps7910: charoltte imed me ealrier
Tps7910: and just said hi
Tps7910: and noting else
Tps7910: it was weird
Tps7910: like he was trying to establish himself on aim
Tps7910: but not talk too much
mastr414: she did that with everyone
mastr414: i assume she
Tps7910: o ok
Tps7910: she
Tps7910: the cool thing about this game
Tps7910: if someone gets lycnhed
Tps7910: and there human
Tps7910: u know
mastr414: ya
Tps7910: u might be the wolf
mastr414: ya
mastr414: i'm not
Tps7910: u worked with eb last game
mastr414: but i mig
mastr414: only cuz i guarded him
Tps7910: still
Tps7910: maybe u didnt want someone to know how you play
mastr414: Chardish contacted me pregame
Tps7910: and he must of had a good idea
Tps7910: maybe he said
Tps7910: argh, ur mean
Tps7910: and u were like
Tps7910: bye chardish
mastr414: no
mastr414: he said he thought i was human
mastr414: so we tlaked
mastr414: and figutrf er bnoth were
mastr414: why would i kill him if i was wolf then?
Tps7910: because u knew i was going to accuse you of this,a nd it would make sense not to kill him, so you would trick me into beliveing you were human, while this whole time it was a genious plan that you thought up
mastr414: except there are no special roles
mastr414: no need to get inside an alliance
Tps7910: i know
mastr414: nice try thouh :-)
Tps7910: what does that have to do with anything i jiust said
mastr414: well why kill soeoen that thoguht i was human
mastr414: you say its to appear human to the others
Tps7910: because
mastr414: thus getting inside any alliance with them
mastr414: but there's no need
mastr414: becayse akill is a kill
Tps7910: well i will keep an eye on the forum
Tps7910: but i must return to my report
mastr414: ok
Tps7910: only 1200 words to go

This is just a theory, but i feel that it is better then a random post. Also, as in the convo, i am still currently writing the essay, but will be done shortly, then i will have time to type many more posts.

[Charlotte21]

I thought I'd add another perspective to her. (her, right?) Still no vote from me.

Him.

EDIT: Her.

EDIT: lolol, not tellin u decide.

[GuidoHunter]

((Bah, didn't get a chance to post before I had to leave...))

So we're missing Gamma and Epsilon? Well, to be honest, that's kind of expected. After all, Epsilon was recently hailed as a very valuable person in another situation similar to this one and Gamma's proven his worth as an intelligent person, but so have others...

((Okay, rather than post much more, I really want to see the others get in here. It's not fair to those who've posted already that they're the only ones who could be incriminated at the moment.))

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, time for some thoughts, before I forget them.

When I first saw who died, I immediately wondered why blah wasn't dead. He did extremely well in TWG VII and VIII, and certainly wasn't a hindrance in any previous TWG. On top of that, EB, someone with whom blah worked last game, is dead. Of course, I'm not going to use this to vote for him because I've been known to be susceptible to wolf reverse psychology, and leaving him alive could mean that Mirage wanted to pull this and fall for the above logic or that he trusts to be human whoever Mirage is.

Charlotte's being questionable simply because he's putting himself out in the open, either to earn trust or prove himself and get some friends. I've been talking to him for a while, but I haven't been convinced either way, possibly because I don't know him all that well.

alain's posted a lot, but nothing really meaningful, and there're still a lot of people who haven't said anything. I want something to go off of, dammit!

EDIT: ****, I forgot that I was just putting this down to be sent in after someone else posted, so excuse the double post. HOWEVER, why the hell hasn't someone posted in the meantime? That took a while to write, and the game's fresh.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Charlotte21]

Session Start (charlottesque:blahblah18): Thu Jan 13 16:42:26 2005
[16:42] blahblah18: gl
[16:42] *** Auto-response sent to blahblah18: I am currently away from the computer.
[16:42] blahblah18: welcome
[16:42] Charlotte Rene Vieu: hry
[16:42] Charlotte Rene Vieu: hey
[16:42] Charlotte Rene Vieu: sup blah
[16:43] blahblah18: hmm that was quick recognition
[16:43] Charlotte: haha
[16:43] Charlotte: lol, I added everyone
[16:43] Charlotte: and renamed them according to their username + codename
[16:43] Charlotte: on trillian
[16:44] blahblah18: hmm a likely story
[16:44] Charlotte: Ok
[16:44] blahblah18: thats damn suspicious :-)
[16:44] blahblah18: i got you timestamped with swift recognition there :-D
[16:44] Charlotte: I'm overly excited :D
[16:44] blahblah18: i'm sure you are
[16:44] blahblah18: how'd you find out bout this forum?
[16:44] Charlotte: arch0wl.com, spectere.net
[16:45] blahblah18: ok
[16:45] Charlotte: i heard flypie talking 'bout it once
[16:45] blahblah18: k
[16:45] Charlotte: saw it and was like "OMG THIS KIND OF LOGIC IS FOR ME"
[16:45] Charlotte: (if you've ever been to either place, logic is not their strongpoints there)
[16:46] blahblah18: no
[16:46] blahblah18: i've been to A0 now and then
[16:47] Charlotte: do you know kefit's aim, it's the only one i dont have
[16:48] blahblah18: kefit42
[16:48] Charlotte: thanks
[16:48] Charlotte: Talking to other people?
[16:49] blahblah18: o course
[16:49] blahblah18: u?
[16:50] Charlotte: just now starting, I was adding everyone's names and renaming them still :D just finished
[16:51] blahblah18: how convenient ;-)
[16:51] Charlotte: Isn't it though?
[16:51] Charlotte: lol
[16:52] blahblah18: so who else are you talking to then?
[16:52] Charlotte: I love the instant accusations we have with added smileys
[16:52] Charlotte: you, roopert, alainbryden, nforcer, tps222, guido, chardish, kefit, hansky
[16:53] blahblah18: what's hansky's IM?
[16:53] Charlotte: notsofaroff
[16:53] blahblah18: he's been idle forever
[16:54] blahblah18: how'd you talk to him?
[16:54] Charlotte: i said hi
[16:54] Charlotte: i got an away message, which said "bbl"
[16:54] blahblah18: am i the only one that messaged yhou first? :-)
[16:54] Charlotte: Yes
[16:55] blahblah18: what's roopert's sn?
[16:55] blahblah18: good
[16:55] Charlotte: insanelycoolness
[16:55] Charlotte: Why is that good, may I ask?
[16:55] blahblah18: i like to know that i take initiative
[16:56] Charlotte: It's smart, and generally it would show humanness, but in a game with much required communication there can be no assurity (not sure if assurity is a word)
Session Close (blahblah18): Thu Jan 13 16:58:48 2005

This was the first person I had talked to since signing up, and because of my extreme hype for this game, when I asked him if he was talking to people and he said "o course", that made me believe that I needed to start talking to people because it was routine and I didn't want to be super-noob. I am not going to accuse blah of anything because: my IMs with him removed the nervousness I had for my first time in the game, I'm just showing that it was my reaction to a veteran player to message everyone, not that I am suspicious of him.

Am I suspicious still? Yea of course I am, but putting this info out in the open is not hurting anything for the humans. Remember: keeping information hidden is only helping the hunted win in a game like this.

(EDIT: Grammar fix.)

[Kilgamayan]

Post 1 of 5.

For the record, Tass, I wouldn't mind a reposting of all the remaining alive players after every Night because I don't follow the Greek Letters as easily as I would just names and I don't want to have to go back and look at the main list every time someone new dies.

Alainbryden - Alpha
Blahblah18 - Beta
Charlotte21 - Delta
GuidoHunter - Zeta
HansSky - Iota
Kefit - Kappa
Kilgamayan - Lambda
Nforcer06164 – Mu
Roopert - Omicron
The_Q – Pi
Tps222 - Rho
Tsuteto - Sigma

While Pi's survival seems pretty suspicious, I think that with only four days to work on this, the idea of Mirage producing such a scapegoat because a lot more feasible, which is most likely why Pi is still alive.

And note that Epsilon's death is not necessarily a reflection on those who played in the previous game - you only need have watched the game and read the postgame commentary to realize what he was worth to the human side.

PS: Hooray for eigenvalues. FEAR MY APPLICATION IN DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS, BITCHES

λ

[GuidoHunter]

PS: Hooray for eigenvalues. FEAR MY APPLICATION IN DIFFERENTIAL EQUATIONS, BITCHES

Given the matrix A=
|2 3|
|3 -6|

What is your characteristic equation and what are your values?

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[blahblah18]

and I thought of Lambda calculus and programming in scheme...
and i see everyone copy pasted my convos and was like "hmmm"
I'm waiting to see just what I did that was suspicious... cuz I sure as hell don't see it, and I think EVERYTHING's suspicious

[Tsuteto]

Meh, I'll start posting tomorrow. I'm FAR too tired to think straight after tonight's DDR run. Oh, and sweet. I'm the main evil guy from Megaman X.

Well, until after school tomorrow (well, maybe later. I might barely make the five posts with how busy my weekend is going to be)

Post 0 of 5 (I'm not counting this one)

[Kilgamayan]

Post 2 of 5.

Oh my, it's been a while since I've done this.

Well, let's see.

|2-λ 3|
|3 -6-λ|

(2-λ)(-6-λ)-(3)(3)

λ^2+4λ-12-9

λ^2+4λ-21

(λ+7)(λ-3)

λ = -7, 3

λ=-7:

|2-(-7) 3|
|3 -6-(-7)|

|9 3|
|3 1|

|x| = |3|
|y| .. |1|

λ=3:

|2-(3) 3|
|3 -6-(3)|

|-1 3|
|3 -9|

|x| = |1|
|y| .. |-3|

Thus...

y = k1*e^(-7t)|3| + k2*e^(3t)|1|
.......................|1|....................|-3|

I believe that's the general form of the equation. Professor Pelosi would be proud.

blah: λ also has application in Calculus III when solving simultaneous equations in 3-D space that have a restriction equation in order to find extrema, but I've already forgotten what the proper term for them is in that case.

Proffesor Hoq would kill me if he saw this. >_>;

As for the game itself, nothing new has really come up since my last post, so there's nothing new to report in Lambda Land. Sorry.

λ

[Tasselfoot]

to clarify: saying 3+ or 5 posts was merely a helpful guideline... not an exact science or law

to kilga: I plan on doing that. Didn't think I needed to relist them for Day 1. All future days will though.

PS - expect some form of plot update from me tomorrow... none of you have as of yet continued the plot. I encourage all of you to explore the jungle, gather food, hunt, move towards fresh water, etc. Things that one would normally do while exploring the jungle.

[The_Q]

1-5

Ok, so here's the quesa-dillio.

Charlotte, being the newb he is, assumes that intellect causes me to be a good player of the game. I actually fit just about as many "Good" qualities as "Bad." What's the difference? How have I won so many games? Simple, I utilize my resources. Tass used to be my prime resource, him being the God of TWG. I don't play the game nearly as well as you'd think, though. Eyespew would point out that when I play a game I love using psychology. When I started Diplomacy I made a personal message "accidentally" be broadcast to every player. I started with very n00bish moves for a reason. Still, I've never considered myself the best player of this game.

Q

[Tps222]

yay, i finished my essay. Well, there hasn't been too much since the last time i posted,so i'll check back tomarrow in computers, and will post around 2:30. ..

[Kefit]

Chardish is dead. That's not surprising at all.

eb's death, however, is. Although eb has proven himself a good thinker in the past, most of his alliance work in game VIII fell right into his lap when he was successfully guarded night two. Nothing like that could happen this game, so I really don't think that eb would be one of the best choices for night one - he certainly isn't a weak player, but alain and especially blah strike me as players that I would much rather be rid of than him.

And as far as Tass's hand-picking of the wolf goes, I think that above all he wants an interesting, even suspenseful game. I imagine that he wants it to be quite close - to go to the third or fourth day at least, or for Mirage to barely pull out a victory. Because of this, I would be quite surprised if he picked someone fairly new to the game as wolf, like Tsuteto or Charlotte.

Oh, and I was going to write something about how Q really isn't nearly as good at this game as everyone seems to think he is, but Q himself already beat me to it.

One final thing - feel free to contact me on aim as much as you like. last game I was being very reserved on aim (very much for the reasons I gave, too - it had nothing to do with me being a wolf), but as part of my promise to be more active this game, I will be more open to aim chat.

[alainbryden]

There's some lying going on here. Q is too egotistical to say he's a crappy player. He's just trying to save his ass and convince the wolves that he's not worth killing. He's human.

[alainbryden]

Kefit, I predicted that Chardish and EB exactly would go, because they are both trustworthy people when they are human, because Chardish is a strong player, and because EB has history and ties with the many other strong players such as Blah and I that would force blame on us. But I'm not complaining. If the plan is for us to get lynched, then we may be left in the game. We can only hope. In the meantime, I think we can make any reason for Tass picking any level of player, so we shouldn't base our reasoning on a psychoanalysis of Tass, even if that's all we have. I'm glad everyone has to post, that way we will soon have something to look at for everyone, as for Kilga, I certainly hope he does not make those count as valid posts in the end, because all that pointless math stuff was a waste of thinking space. Kilga, you did this last game too, you need to be more relevantly active.

oh and for tass.... I wander around find a rabbit and shoot it. I think about eating it, but am not particularily hungry and don't have the energy to cook it so I shoot it again and take a walk thinking 'this doesn't really need to turn into an RPG.'

[Charlotte21]

There's some lying going on here. Q is too egotistical to say he's a crappy player. He's just trying to save his ass and convince the wolves that he's not worth killing. He's human.

Do you really think someone as smart as Q would insert a strategy that would hurt the humans for his personal goals rather than do what is best for the group.

I personally at this point believe he is human, but that is only because I am making the assumption everyone is human until there is a little more stable evidence against someone. My vote for Q would be removed if removing votes were allowed because voting for Q based on the logic I used was newbish.

Q isn't being egotistical, he is being honest. I've looked through his past games.

Though this sparks a though (if you have seen A Beautiful Mind), the scene with the blonde and the thoughts on Adam Smith. If this were economics doing what is best for yourself would be helpful, but in this situation doing what is best for yourself is NOT helpful. The mentality of this game should be more John Nash than Adam Smith: for it is a group victory and not an individual one.

This game is unique because there is no way to make an failproof alliance, and no way to use signs of alliances or trust to find holes in logic. Therefore, it's much harder, and needs MUCH more communication. It also needs to get into the mentality of "Thinking of what is best for the group, not oneself."

I would say as a whole the two best things that can be done to help is:

1.) Explain your reasoning to the highest extent you can, maybe draw a little flowchart on a notepad to make sure it's precise and to the point you are trying to make.

2.) Post relevant things. Posting things that are not relevant just to get your "post quota" in is not helping at all, it is making the wolf and us easily suspect that you are a wolf when you may not be one.

This game is biased in the hunted's favour, we need to overcome that.

[Kilgamayan]

Post 3 of 5.

Kilga, you did this last game too, you need to be more relevantly active.

Yeah, well, too bad.

Just because I don't post more than once a day doesn't mean I'm not around. I simply have nothing to say most of the time.

Deal.

If you want information from me, this is the best I can offer: Based on previous posts in this topic and on conversations held last night, my top 3 suspects are currently Delta, Kappa and Pi. Take that for what you will.

- Delta...something about the way he's acting just doesn't strike me a right. This is more a feeling than a logical conclusion, but I believe one should be entitled to such a thing.

- I've already forgotten why I'm suspicious of Kappa, I just remember that I was. If I remember I'll post it.

- Pi not only worked his butt off trying to show why he wouldn't be picked, he basically showed why no one would be picked. >_>

But hell, if I was any of the people talking to me last night, I'd be pretty suspicious of me, so take that for what you will as well. All I did was screw around and make light of the whole situation.

That's all for now from Lambda Land.

λ

[Charlotte21]

One thing kilga:

There is no need to make a post counter, and even if there were, your completely irrelevant post about martices shouldn't be counted because that is what it is: completely irrelevant.

It's more of a rough guideline and that's what tass stated. Post things when you think of them, or at least write them down, so that you can keep more than just suspicions.

If you are human just having suspicions without much evidence hurts humans, but nonethless you are implying that you will post two more times so I am hoping you are going to be more thorough.

About your suspicions about me: Good, anyone can see the reasoning for your suspicions against me because they can just read the previous three pages. Though your other two I cannot see as well, therefore to benefit the humans and yourself, I suggest writing down your ideas when they come to you so you don't forget them.

(Edited for grammar)

[Tps222]

Another day and still not much to go off of. Charolette is being very active, but his posts are relevant, so i don't care. The whole Blah is starting to look not as suspcious as it first did to me, but i will have to keep an eye on that. Some people need to start posting more, because this game is built off comunication.

[Tps222]

O yea, to add to the plot " I decided to explore the jungle and fell into a pitfall. A tiny clan of jungle gnomes came over and tied me up and brought me to their dwelling. While on my way, i noticed some heavy branches broken, and some large footprints. Obviously someone must have been running thorugh this jungle quickly. I immediately wondered if it was Mirages'. I was then untied, and thrown into a mushroom shaped jail cell. I was very worried, for I had no clue what they were going to do with me. They then started chanting a scary chant, and started to merge together. Through this morphisis, they were beginning to form a shadow. They were forming it very slowly, they must have been using netzero. *plays cheap joke drum sound* Finally, the final shape started to appear, it appeared to be Mirage! It's face started to show when *Whack*, a coconut falls on my head. I am awoken to find that I am still at my base camp. What was that dream trying to tell me, i couldn't quite get a decent glimpse at the person. O well". *Walks over and takes a shower in a mamoth sized waterfall that somehow is still able to stand under without a budge, and no headeache*

Edit* Sorry, it's a pretty serious story, and it's cool and all, but I just wanted to lighten it up a bit. Actually the original story reminds me of "The Most Dangerous Game. Good short story.

[Tasselfoot]

Bah. To Alain and TPS... mock my ideas. Fine. :( I shall hold off on mid-game plot moves.

And, TPS... I wasn't sure at first what plot I wanted to use for this game. The first thing that came to mind was the movie Predator. Then second was TMDG (agreed, an excellent story). So, I went somewhat off of TMDG. Combined it a little with the terrible TMDG ripoff movie Surviving the Game, and added a little self flavor.

[Tps222]

I wasn't trying to mock your story at all. Predator would ahve been a good idea, as this is. I have never seen surviving the game, though. Also, come on people talk more.

[alainbryden]

wow, I just went to classes, passed out, woke up after missing a test 7 hours later, went to dinner, and there's been yay 5 new posts. This isn't looking up for teh humans. I've got nothing else to go off of. I'm finding the best strategy in this game so far is not to look for who is most likely a wolf, but instead put aside everyone who you have logical reasons to beleive is human, then another list of somewhat but not entirely trusted, and then pull someone off the last list that you know. Remember, there is only one wolf, so chances are he'll be fairly active. If there are still highly inactive players on the third day, then we have to start voting for them, just so we don't rule anything out.

[Kefit]

Something that just popped into my head:

Last night Blah got a bunch of people together for an aim chat to discuss theories and ideas on this game. We got pretty much no where, in large part because the chat was too chaotic.

At one point Q tried to quell the chaos by having us all speak our thoughts on something in turn. Nothing was wrong with this idea - it's something that we really need to do if we have any future chats for this game. What strikes me as odd is that he wanted us to talk about who we thought Mirage would kill tonight, and why.

I cannot think of any benefit a discussion on this would have for the humans, as the two kills each night are things we can't really do anything about. So why discuss it at all? Perhaps Mirage was trying to gather information on how each player would react to a given kill, which he could then use to plan out his kills in a way to cast as few eyes his way as possible.

There are probably faults with this idea, or I may have remembered the chat from last night incorrectly. If so, feel free to argue against this idea. Until then, Q has gained my suspicion.

[Tasselfoot]

I'm upset guys... 3 full pages and over 24 hours gone. no post in the past 4+ hours....

c'mon.

And, as was said by someone... this game is unbalanced towards Mirage. Which is why I am trying to compensate by giving long days and trying to force people to talk. As such, I'm going to give this piece of advice... perhaps it would be good to continue posting AIM conversations? 2 have been posted already, and the more information said in the thread, the more everyone will have to go off of. Just a suggestion to help the balance of things.

Oh yea... a clue. Mirage is male. :-D (assuming charlotte is male... survey is still out on him/her.) (that makes EVERY player in the game male).

[Kilgamayan]

Charlotte is, in fact, male.

This is not his first username - I know what he used to go by at another forum and that was a very male name.

[Tsuteto]

Fufufufufu... alright, I can't see much lately. I can analyze things, but, like I've said before (I think), I don't intend for TWG to be one of the top important things on my list. From what I can tell so far... alright, Mirage got read of Gamma and Epsilon. Is that any real surprise? This puts us nowhere with any clues, seeing as that some of the newbs would do this from having read any TWG, or any expert would do so in case of a threat. However, if that threat is the case, then I think that Mirage would most likely go for one of four people (whom will not be revealed in case of Mirage might picking up and looking at them more carefully... though because of me, I would not know why he would).

I don't have any suspicions for now, seeing as I haven't really been able to look at people's posts that well, but on Sunday, I might be able to do that and get better leads for my own skin. I'll see if I can't post tomorrow after my DDR tourney, and hopefully have thought of something.

I should really take some things more seriously though....

[alainbryden]

*drowns in a flood of incoherence* need...air...

I'm sorry, I didn't follow.

Kefit I would have to dissagree with your reasons for voting Q. First, a wolf in a large chat room of only humans would not have the cahunes to try to be a leader. Secondly, I understand why Q chose that topic. When you think about the number of things you can all talk about, the list pretty much comes donw to just "who do you think is most likely to get voted next." Anything else, that one might maybe consider useful, would only cause dissorder and really isn't a topic for large chat rooms. Who started the large chat anyways? It seems to be a good method for creating mass confusion and generally get everyone attacking one or two people without much time for reasoning. More importantly, why wasn't I invited :P

edit: I'm not going to remove that post, I think there's something in it, but I just reread it and found that it was somewhat lacking of my usual thought. I'll be more helpful when I sleep k.

..and who else is LD harrassing to find out if they are the wolf? It's kind of funny.

[Tasselfoot]

LD... stop harassing the hunters. You are not in the jungle. You have no means of communication with the hunters. If Mirage wishes to tell you who he is, he will use his phone to contact you.

And, seriously guys.... IF YOU DO NOT TALK, YOU HAVE NO SHOT OF WINNING.

[nforcer06164]

Hey guys. Sorry for the inactivity. The night of the signups, I got on to do homework, and found out that it was time for signups, which opened shortly after I got on. That same day, earlier... boy, the weather in Chicago has been crazy lately. We got about 7 or so inches of snow. then, about two weeks later, the day of the singups, temperature got high enough to melt all of the snow... and then it rained. Now, it wouldn't be so bad, if there wasn't a crack in the foundation of my house. Thankfully, my basement is carpeted and it soaked the water, but all the furniture had to be moved, which meant disconnecting the computer. We had to connect fans, dehumidifiers, and the like to dry it up before we moved furniture, but we blew a circuit and found we had to pull up the padding underneath, cuz it would never dry otherwise. As of 30 minutes ago, the computer is back up and running, and I should be more active... but what does this have to do with TWG? XD

I don't think Q is one to be suspicious of.

Charlotte seems suspicous to me for some reason. His posts strike me as odd somehow.

I've got nothing else to go on right now. Anyway, with only 4 pages, there isn't really that much to go on anyway. More to follow....

[Kilgamayan]

My apologies for my inactivity today, I was out most of the day shopping and such.

[nforcer06164]

It doesn't matter, Kilga. Including this post, there have only been 7 posts today. I'm the one that knows what's going on around here the least, so I can't really say much myself =/

[Charlotte21]

EDITED:

Okay, the long ass posts were annoying and I was a retard for posting them in the format.

http://www.primordialus.com/twg/9/

All my convo logs are in that directory, and will be kept updated often.

[Charlotte21]

http://www.primordialus.com/twg/9/

All my convo logs are in that directory. Apologies for the long ass posts, again.

[blahblah18]

no commentary at all?
Try doing some disseminating, ok?

[Charlotte21]

EDIT: Read my above two posts.

[Charlotte21]

EDIT: Read above three posts.

[blahblah18]

hey i have a suggestion, try posting pertinnent stuff instead of this random bull****, ok? thanks.

[HansSky]

Well...I really don't think ANYONE is going to take the time and read all of that. Take out what you think is important, and then post it. Not every single one of your conversations with every single person you have talked to.

[Kilgamayan]

tl;dr

[blahblah18]

ok, this game has been absurd...
here's my random guess, but its fairly accurate
i'll put the people in 2 groups
Group A: me alain kilga kefit Q
Group B: The others

its probably a 50-50 shot that its from one of those 2 groups.
I know that i'm not the wolf, so that narrows me out. I don't think Alain would kill who he did if he was wolf. I'm gonna give Q benefit of the doubt for things posted, and go with kefit for now, although there isn't the most to support it, except for just some differences in how he is acting. Although while saying this, I think he would have killed me over chardish if he was the wolf... so I think i'll be changing this shortly.. but now I think that it was kefit that told me it doesn't matter who you kill as long as thety won't be guarded and theey won't be linked to you.. so I guess on kefit it'll stay..

[alainbryden]

Uh wow.

Okay, so back to reasoning, I wanted to add that I beleive the wolf would be fairly new to the game. The first vote was EB and Chardish. Everyone knows that there is no guardian so no risk of voting a strong player and getting rejected. It seems that the wolf had in mind the strategy to take out the very strongest players until the end of the game. It is a fact that when only strong players are voted off, it gives us very little if anything to work off of, because anyone could argue a strategy for doing it no matter what level of the game you are. What gives information away here is that the wolf clearly had the goal of taking out two strong players, but anyone who's played TWG for more than one, maybe two or three games knows that EB is in the top ten perhaps, but really was only lucky for having the alliance head chair of the round table fall into his lap. It is thus that I am now more inclined to beleive that only people new to TWG are possible wolves.

This is a list of all people I consider new to TWG, and thus likely to beleive EB is a stronger player than he really is.

Charlotte21 - Delta
Nforcer06164 – Mu
Tsuteto - Sigma

I would bet my rep that one of the wolves is probably amongst this list. I doubt in this case that a good player has taken out EB to try to influence thinking like this, allthough I don't rule it out. These people will be subject to my greatest critisism and most likely, my votes as well.

[alainbryden]

I'm removing Tsuteto from that list because Tass verbally abused him as being a terrible wolf and wouldn't make him the wolf and have his game go to the ****s like that. IT makes it into a really select list and I'm thinking therefore there's probably flaw in my logic. I find it hard to beleive that we can narrow it down to just two people on the first day.

[Tasselfoot]

Note: Delta is used twice for this reason. The most elite unit within the US Army is what? Delta Force. So, our good friend Mirage is said to be an ex-Delta, as they are referred to as. So, that is why he is referenced ONCE as Delta. All other references to him are by his name, Mirage. I used the greek alphabet for codenames for everyone, so obviously Delta is going to be used there as well. I thought everything was made clear about this as always. At the start of the game, Delta (Charlotte) had a 1/14 chance of being Mirage. Now, its 1/12.... There is no statistical relation between the two whatsoever. Stop talking about it.

[chardish]

The most elite unit within the US Army is what? Delta Force.

It's FOXHOUND, you ninny.

[evilbutterfly]

Chardish, you're not allowed to post anymore after you die!

Oh, whoops XD

[alainbryden]

I expect that by the end of the game, the wolf will leave one good player, as the final distraction. Everyone will be so suspicious of there being only one great player left and all the others gone. He will practically be instalynched. The wolf will have an easy last day at this rate. UNLESS we remember that just because someone who's good didn't get wolfed, it doesn't mean they aren't human. This is a setup that's been done in the past. The goal of this post is to not let it happen again. I'm doing it early enough that it doesn't look like I'm just doing it to defend myself.

Also, I'm tempted to vote Charlotte. His name is getting tossed around so much, that I really feel something must be up. Plus he's new and, as we saw in one of his posts, he thought EB was a strong player and claimed that "the wolves killed two strong players the first night and no one can really draw any conclusions from that." (paraphrased) I'm also pretty sure that Tass wouldn't have had anything against giving Charlotte the Wolf role. He proved himself to be quite intelligent beforehand, allthough he has been letting some of us down. Charlotte has been flooding the boards with conversations, and not giving any analysis of them. He doesn't come off as being particularily human in any of the conversations either, and the manner in which he talks changes from person to person. This, however, could just be his attempt to fit in with the character of the person to whom he is talking for social reasons, not wolf ones. Furthermore, I know Tass said several times it wasn't basis, but just the fact that he pressed the Delta issue so much, despite it not really being a problem in the first place, leads me to beleive that he's trying to defend his wolf. This certainly would not be the basis of my vote though. Charlotte also acts from and speaks of pressure in the game. It could be that he is just new but it seems that even a new human wouldn't feel so excitable in this particular style of TWG game. It's a much calmer game for me, I know, there are many less factors playing in and it is strictly an analysis of a person, not their relationship with other people. Finally, as Charlotte is new, Tass might find it preferable to select a new, but seemingly skilled player for this challenge of his, so that we would not have previous behaviors and strategies with which to compare. In the past, I know I have more or less avoided analysing the people I don't know much about. I was going to hold off my vote, but I think I've convinced myself quite firmly that Charlotte is a good choice.

[Tasselfoot]

Day 1 ends at 8pm EST tonight (or after the IND/NE game ends so I can lock it). I believe there are only 3 votes in so far. 1 for Delta, 2 for Pi.

[Tps222]

GRRR Doug Brien....

After my hours of weeping yesterday, i have come back to read the forums. Delta's posts of aim convo's are excruciatingly long. I read most of it, but it is a little too long for me, try just posting what is important. From what I read in the convos Q has been acting a little weird, he just doesn't seem suspicious to me. Delta would be a good choice, because of what Blah stated above, but i don't want to jump to conclusioncs just yet, there is still ample time left to discuss this, and i'm wait for more posts from nforcer to come up, and some other innactive players.

*goes back to weeping*

[Tps222]

I don't want to edit my post above, so i am forced to double post sorry.

I meant to say Delta would be a good choice, because of what Alain stated above, but i don't want to jump to conclusioncs just yet

[Kilgamayan]

After thinking about it for a while, I've decided that of my three suspects, Delta is the most likely candidate.

And not because of the whole Delta thing in the beginning of the game.

[roopert]

Well I have been unusually busy lately, and as I write this I am being urged out the door by my family, so I'll try to make it quick. I think this game is a whole lot of hunches and guessing, and not much else. I know that if I were the wolf, I would win easily. However, since we have to somehow FIND the wolf, I'm going to go with my strongest guess: blah. I do think it will be easier to narrow it down on the last day, but until then all we can do is wait and talk.

[Charlotte21]

(I spent ten to fifteen minutes after typing this deciding whether or not to post it and since I didn't have time to post anything else, and since I can't post after I'm lynched...)

Well, since I am about to leave and won't be @ a computer when this ends, I have a gut feeling that no matter what I am being lynched tonight for my n00bish mistakes and the way I've been stimulating the game. Nonetheless, I see it as a good move because in my overly-activeness I am giving the wolf a very easy day 1, and probability of an easy day 2.

I thought of the things I could post that would be helpful at this point, and took into accord the possibilities of other things, but I'm pretty sure I'm dead and there is no changing it. My name has been thrown around since day one and people automatically expected a higher level of gameplay than I could give, which is in a way a compliment to my ability. And alas, no, I made the same old newbish mistakes every newb makes, and it was worse because everyone thinks Tass has respect for me.

Though I will follow through with this: You guys are retarded for analyzing the kill based on who Tass would pick, and this game will be impossible for the humans if you keep doing that. There needs to be some serious communication going, otherwise all decisions are going to be using the reasoning fallacy of over-analyzing things, and the entire game is going to be chance.

Everyone keeps saying:
"I'll make a decision when there is more to go off." Well, there isn't, day one is almost up, and that "more to go off" you wanted isn't coming unless you bring it into the game.

So, then, I come upon this decision: Adam Smith vs. John Nash. Should I do what is best for myself, or do what is best for the group? Well, the former in this game will lead to mirage's victory on a silver platter with the humans dressed in maids outfits and "Mirage is teh r0xx0r" signs around their necks. So from here, what decision can I make that is best for the group? I can only think of one thing: My vote goes for Delta. I can no longer bring anything else to the human side, and if I were to survive I would kill the game by leaving the hanging suspicion for myself through the entire game. The day two kills would probably be tailored to look like they were mine, wasting another day on "Charlotte Suspicions".

Remember the mantra... Communication wins for the humans, Silence gives mirage the game. Nothing is going to win this game except communication. Waiting for "more to go off" is like buying mirage a drink so he can relax while he reads the thread. Remember the mantra.

[blahblah18]

just so you know that was the most retarded thing ever... it practically forces people to vote you.. and if you're wolf, that hurts your team, and if you're human that hurts your team... ridiculous

and tass i voted kefit, not Q so i'm confused as to the vote count

[nforcer06164]

I've gotta say, Charlotte, you really did give yourself up to some pretty damning evidence. I was suspicious of you from the beginning, because of the subtle oddity of your posts. Now, I'm pretty convinced that you are Mirage. But, you did it to yourself. I'll break it down...

1) Your posts, for a reason I still can't figure out, seemed very strange to me. They somehow stuck out, and in a way that sat very uncomfortably with me. It is a gut feeling with lack of evidence, and that may be good or bad alone. You never really can tell, but it can't be ignored. It goes on...

2) You're theory of contacting everyone with no reason but to "just do it" (no, no Nike reference) is not normal. Blah did it in TWG VIII, but with very good reason: to find top suspected wolves, and to formulate who to guard, being the Guardian. It worked really well, too. I don't know what you were thinking, seriously. You contacted me first day, saying "hi", and then disappeared. I gave it five minutes, but you said nothing. Well, technically, you could say you contacted everyone, but with what substance? Exactly. None.

3) You are trying WAY too hard to be human. When Tass said to post more AIM conversations, you jumped right on top of it. Most of these conversations, as blah and Hans pointed out, had little to no substance. I diligently read through the first few, but then quickly lost concentration because they seriously did lack contribution to the game, save an increase in the bandwidth of page 4. I ended up reading them through on your links, and even though the format gave me a headache, I realized something else: you are always trying to get on everyone's good side, bordering on, pardon the expression, "ass-kissing", best seen in your conversation with Q.

4) In your conversation and your posts, it is hard to see you as human. Alain described it best. I can only add this, relating back to 3: try too hard to be human, and you won't look human.

5) Alain got this covered before me, too: Tass. He really is pushing the Delta issue too much. He did Whorli in in TWG VIII by forcing her "humanity" on Afrobean. I wouldn't be surprised if this was a repeat. Also, your mistake relating to Tass was describing your relationship with him... how he knew you and your mental capacity well enough to be able to put you in such a position as the Hunted.

6) No self-respecting human would EVER vote for themselves with the danger of being lynched. This is a team game. If you had ANY respect at all for your team, saying you are a human, you would try to convince others not to take you down, rather than doing yourself in. I made a stupid mistake in TWG VIII by accusing Jurs without knowing the story behind her humanity and fiercely protected myself not only to preserve myself, but the rest of the humans as well. It almost didn't work, but in the end, it did. You, however, are being very wishy-washy. You have plenty of room to defend yourself... anyone can see that. But you don't defend yourself. A reverse-psychology tactic? Reverse-psychology isn't gonna work here, sorry.

Do you expect sympathy from us? Do you want us to change our votes? Your post is only doing you in. I don't know what you are thinking. Everything you said even sounds wolfish. I have no regrets for voting for you, Delta.

[Tps222]

Delta just seems too obvious of a choice to me, but his whole team vs self thing is stupid. Your hurting us by voting yourself, your practically giving yourself to mirage, which you said we shouldn't, your contradicting yourself too much. If your mirage, then you are trying a poor attempt at reverse pyschology, if a your a human, then your just giving up, and casuing suspcion, so it will be best to get rid of you. My vote goes to Delta, but i'm still going to keep a watch on blah.

[Tasselfoot]

Alpha voted Delta
Beta voted Kappa
Delta voted Delta
Zeta
Iota
Kappa voted Pi
Lambda voted Delta
Mu voted Delta
Omicron voted Beta
Pi
Rho voted Delta
Sigma

5 votes for Delta
1 vote for Pi
1 vote for Kappa
1 vote for Beta

Not Voted: Zeta, Iota, Pi, Sigma.

7 for Insta. Ends after the Pats/Colts game.

deleted nforcer's, as i was doing this as he posted one... plus, his is wrong.

[alainbryden]

you got kefit down twice there bud ;)

edit, tass removed nforcers, posted the good one.

α

[nforcer06164]

Oops, sorry. o.o

I got kinda scared when I refreshed and the topic supposedly did not exist.... *phew*

Tass, can you put up a list breaking down codenames and players like I did? It gets frustrating when you have to keep checking back...and I'm sure I'm not the only one.

[GuidoHunter]

I must say, as much as Delta's been giving himself away, I didn't see enough behavior that seemed wolfish to vote for him today. In fact, I really didn't see much of that from anybody...

Except Iota. The theme to this game is "Silence gives Mirage the win." I felt that Delta just wanted to put out all the information that he possibly could so that the humans could draw their own conclusions, which is something I most certainly liked. But Iota comes in and demands that Delta hold back potential leads. I kind of see where he could sneak that by, because some of the stuff said really wasn't pertinent, but I want to know everything I can for this game.

Information is the key to a human victory, and I don't want Iota keeping any from us.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[roopert]

Guys, I really don't think charlotte is the wolf. He seems much more like a human noob who is trying too hard, than a wolf who is just being dumb. I guess we'll find out soon enough. Oh and what the hell, why have four people not voted? That is killing us more than anything. We have 0 chance if a big chunk of players don't even plan on voting, let alone staying on top of the thread. Sigh....

[Tasselfoot]

about 15 minutes...

and, Mu, no... I will post the player list + the codename list at the start of each day. Other than that, I am sticking with the theme as much as possible (Hoping y'all will stick with it more as well).

[Tasselfoot]

*It is now 2200. 24 hours have passed for the hunters.*

"So, are we certain on our decision?" asks Alpha.

"Not at all, but we've wasted enough time and Delta has to go!" says Lambda.

"I still don't think this is right. Delta has been trying SO hard to help us all, and this is how we repay him?" says Beta.

"John Nash is crazy and talked to himself... so I am going to as well!" exclaims Delta.

"And you wonder why we're offing you. If I had Mirage's job, I'd be like you too." says Rho with a sigh.

"Enough!" shouts Mu. "What I'd like to know is... where have Iota, Pi, and Sigma run off to? Their not being here for this makes me suspicious of them."

Iota, Pi, and Sigma now each have 1 phantom vote

*Delta, resigned to his fate, pulls out his hunting knife and jabs it into his stomach. He collapses and gasps for air. Blood spurts out of his mouth, and silence follows.*

"Well, I feel relieved that Mirage is dead... so let's get some sleep folks. Get up at 0600 again?" asks Omicron.

"If only I were that optimistic. 0600 it is." states Kappa.


IT IS NOW NIGHT 2. MIRAGE, I NEED YOUR KILLS PLEASE.

[Tasselfoot]

0600 comes early for the 11 hunters. They slowly rise and look around, curious to see if anyone is missing.

"Uh... Guys... where are Beta and Rho?" asks Alpha. There is a hint of fear in his voice.

"Sh*t." mumbles Sigma.

"Lets have a look around. Maybe they woke up early and got restless." says Zeta.

The group heads off, and quickly finds the bodies of Beta and Rho, not 100 meters from the campsite. Their bodies hang from a tree branch 30 feet off the ground.

"Last night, he quickly takes out two, miles apart from each other, and makes them look like accidents. Tonight, he shows strength by carrying their bodies high into the tree. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm damn scared." announces Pi.

"What more can we do? We have to figure out who he is and kill him. TODAY!" says Lambda with as much enthusiasm as possible.



IT IS NOW DAY 2. YOU HAVE UNTIL 7PM WEDNESDAY NIGHT (I have class til then, otherwise I would end it at 48 hours.)

Some of you have not been very active. Please try and be more active. It is the hunters' only chance at winning.

Players Alive:
Alainbryden - Alpha
GuidoHunter - Zeta
HansSky - Iota
Kefit - Kappa
Kilgamayan - Lambda
Nforcer06164 – Mu
Roopert - Omicron
The_Q – Pi
Tsuteto - Sigma

Insta Lynch is 5. GL!

[nforcer06164]

Okay, I can understand Beta (blah), but Rho (Tps)? I think whoever the Hunted is is really tying to confuse us, and they're doing a really good job. There's no pattern in the voting from what I can see... it seems to be somewhat random. Anyone else have any ideas? I'm drawing a blank so far.

[Tps222]

" Hey Beta what you doing", Beta "Nothing, just hanging around". Im sure glad everyone cares about me dieing not just blah.
*slips head back in neuce*

[Tsuteto]

Sorry for being a little on the inactive side people. Had a DDR tourney on Saturday, and then a missionary open house (it's a Mormon thing, don't bother asking unless you really want to know) that I wanted to attend on Sunday. Anyways, I'm back, and now reviewing who's left and what not.

[HansSky]

Alright, guys. I'm really sorry for my inactivity and lack of decent posts. I was EXTREMELY busy all weekend, but now I'm available to pay close attention to the game. So busy, that I forgot that I needed to vote.

So +1 Phantom for me.


So I'm going to give a shoutout to Guido:

I wasn't saying: Don't post any convos. What I said was: Post things that are pertinent to the game. You know that the stuff he posted was going to take 30 minutes+ to read. And about 75% of it was USELESS. I'm not trying to hold back information, I'm trying to keep the unnecessary stuff out.


You've been on my list from the start Guido...you trying to put words in my mouth is putting you higher up.

[alainbryden]

Alain wakes up and wonders what the others are staring at. He breaks through the crowd and sees beta hanging from the tree. He drops to his knees, horrified. "Blah? Why Blah!" He pounds the ground with his fists. "You Idiots!!! You Blew it Up!! God, Damn you. Damn you all to HELL!!!" He then collapses to weep for the loss of his close friend, occasionally mumbling, "You're gonna ****ing pay for this you damned bastard..."

[alainbryden]

This is feeling really hopeless, but I'm going to make a very good attempt to nail the wolf. I'm giving it everything I got now.

I can easily remove my name from the list. This is for myself, if you think there's reason to believe I'm a wolf then by all means, leave it there.
I can easily remove Tsuteto from the list, Tass would never make him his Mirage, because he was not fond of how Tsuteto played in the past.
I don't have evidence to remove anyone else from the list at all. Nothing is very certain in this particular game for some reason.

So many people are putting in such human advice, encouraging sharing of information and everything, but a really good wolf would be trying hard to seem human by giving actual good human advice and analysis. Objectivity even. So out of

GuidoHunter - Zeta
HansSky - Iota
Kefit - Kappa
Kilgamayan - Lambda
Nforcer06164 – Mu
Roopert - Omicron
The_Q – Pi

The_Q – Pi
I'd have to say if the wolf is trying to pull a "kill all but one good player so that they fall suspect" I don't want to fall foir it, but Tass took forever to update and this would correspond very much to a certain inactivity we experienced yesterday. The fact that Q has been so inactive for the game, and not on the past long time, makes me wonder about him.

Roopert - Omicron
Roopert has been one of the one's that has been giving such human advice. He's been urging everyone to share information, has been around the thread frequently, and has given quite a bit of opinion on people, but not to much. He's also drawn no attention to himself. A seemingly flawless human character and as much as that makes me trust him, he's such a good player and it does the exact opposite therefore, and makes me wonder if he's putting on a face. Roopert is very indescernable to me and it may be because I haven't talked to him on aim before.

Nforcer06164 – Mu
I've talked to him on Aim quite a bit, and he seems relaxed and into the game. I am very disinclined to beleive that nforver06164 is Mirage. I do not think he is yet an experienced enough player to put up such an effective front and he contacts me often and doesn't show hesitation in the way he speaks about the thread. This leads me to beleive that he is very much human and I am removing him from my list.

Kilgamayan - Lambda
I have been afraid to start voting kilga just because he's always so confrontational and relatively inactive in the tread. When he is active in the thread he tends to be irrelevant in his posts more than pertinent. These are seemingly very strong wolf characteristics, but Kilga has been in the game for so long, and repeats this behavior each game he's in. Infact, it is the day that Kilga attempts to be helpful and objective that I will really gain suspicion. For this reason, despite my ever gut instinct against Kilga, I have to leave him out of my list.

aside
I do have to keep this list short people, we only have 3 more lynchings, and at this rate, not much more evidence is going to present itself. The wolf is doing a good job of keeping his wolfings indescernable whilst seemingly stacking evidence against other individuals. That is the tremendous benefit of wolfing two people per night. While one vote is thought out and chosen carefully by the wolf (Blah tonight) the other keeps people confused by being somewhat off predicted targets.

Kefit - Kappa
In recent games I've talked occasionally with this guy, and he usually comes off very friendly, and human when he is, and one can often notice his presence constant in the thread, if not his posts. He is not usually a frequent poster, but usually has many helpful analysis to give. I have not noticed this happening in this game. He's posted, and voted, but hasn't talked to me on msn yet, and has seemed to lack presence in the thread, which I've followed quite closely. For this reason Kefit remains on my list although not in a critical position.

HansSky - Iota
The problem with Hans is that he always comes of as being human to me. He just has a very naive seeming disposition, even though he's proven himself to be very good at the game. He posts in a very casual, but carefully pertinent manner. He also makes an attempt to be critical of others but not harass them. He has opinions that he shares strongly but does not force. It does not always seem to me that he has a great amount of influence in the thread but her really does. Hans is clearly a skilled player, and as a human, he comes off as being suspicious because he seems like he is being so careful. He never racks up much suspicion in a game because of his very careful manner. I would be more suspicious of his careful behavior about the game if he did not communicate his humanity in this fashion in all his past TWG games. I feel quite good about Hans, and I'm going to remove him from my list. I'll be upset if it is him, because it is still possible, but based on how little time we have, I'm going to have to pull this trust so that we can focus more on the people who we have reason to be critically suspicious of.

GuidoHunter - Zeta
I would have little difficulty believing that Guido is mirage. He has been active in the thread, but does not strike me as having been particularily influential. There is no need for mirage to be influential in this game, because he needs to defend no one but himself. Hans made a great point about how Guido overreacted to his post concerning the relevance of Charlotte's 'information'. Guido has been in many games, has proven himself to be a good player, but he strikes me in this game as being more distant, and overcritical. He's been around long enough to know how to be a good wolf, which is why it strikes me as odd that some of his posts have been out of his ordinary character. As a wolf, would he be so imprudent as to mess that up? I don't beleive so, but there is alot of pressure on the wolf and if Guido is the wolf, that would certainly show through in the way he pushed the HansSky deal a little too far. He will be on the top of my list.

So I have cut the list down to four, and I will put the reputation of all my twg history at stake in confidence that the wolf resides among this list, and most likely in the top three. It is unusual for me to place my vote so early in the day, but I am going to put my vote at the top of the list and as the list reorients itself with the presenting of new evidence or ideas from my fellow humans, so will my vote.

GuidoHunter - Zeta
The_Q – Pi
Roopert - Omicron
Kefit - Kappa

[HansSky]

I agree with alain. If not anything else, at least about Guido.

Guido has been in my suspicions from the beginning, simply because he was the person that held the special place in my gut. Instinct says that Guido is a wolf. My gut has picked out a wolf from the very beginning in the past three game. Cypher, Stretchy, and(although I didn't play) LD.


But I absolutely did NOT want to go on that. There is only one wolf in this game, and my gut could most definitely be wrong. I have never placed my instinct as being: Ok, if my gut says yes, he must be a wolf. But I do make it apart of my decision-making.

So, as I read this thread, I analyzed each post, trying to find something....irregular. And Guido's post caught my attention more than any other one. This was because of my gut, his vote for me, and his outlandish claims.

Instinct aside, I find this post to be more bizarre than any other I have read. Charlotte posted a lot of unnecessary material, so I told him to find what he thought was important, and post that.

So, Guido think that's enough to put a vote on me(besides my inactivity, I suppose).

That other post I made was very cautious, but this one, I feel, is not. The fact that I even mentioned my instinct is going to get me in trouble. But I really do think Guido is a wolf. I wasn't even going to talk about it this much, but alain apparently has faith that I am a human, and agrees that Guido is a wolf. I'm guessing the support is what made me go all out on Guido, but we'll see what happens.


So, now that everything is said and done...Zeta.

[nforcer06164]

You mean THE wolf, HansSky? Or the Hunted, maybe? o.o

One thing I failed to realize earlier, and that I would like to add concerning Gui... errr... Zeta... is that he pointed out somthing that could be applied to ANY inactive player.

I must say, as much as Delta's been giving himself away, I didn't see enough behavior that seemed wolfish to vote for him today. In fact, I really didn't see much of that from anybody...

Except Iota. The theme to this game is "Silence gives Mirage the win." I felt that Delta just wanted to put out all the information that he possibly could so that the humans could draw their own conclusions, which is something I most certainly liked. But Iota comes in and demands that Delta hold back potential leads. I kind of see where he could sneak that by, because some of the stuff said really wasn't pertinent, but I want to know everything I can for this game.

Information is the key to a human victory, and I don't want Iota keeping any from us.

--Guido

Now, couldn't he have applied this to any player who hasn't posted much, even me? He singled out one, though. And how could Hans be "keeping information" when there's only one wolf, the Hunted? And Delta wasn't posting anything particularly relevant... blah pointed that out, too. Now, it would make sense that Zeta would take out Beta, right? With the way that he acted on Hans? The only reason he would take out someone like Iota out is to throw us off his trail. The relevance of this post wasn't that great until last night's kill. It makes more sense now. I don't feel like overdoing my analyzation because it didn't work twice, but it's enough, still, to get a vote from me for Zeta.

Thanks, alain. I'm just about as upset about blah as you are.

nforcer06164: ouch
nforcer06164: they got ya
mastr414: O WELL
mastr414: avenge me
nforcer06164: oh, I shall!
nforcer06164: (as soon as I figure out who it is)
mastr414: ha

After that, I have decided to create the "AVENGE BLAH!!1" alliance. Care to join, alain?

EDIT: Notice that "Hunter" is in GuidoHunter's forum name? Could this be a diversion tactic? OH SNAP!!

[roopert]

Well, since there is nothing to really go off of aside from hunches and I have no one better in mind, I'll go jump on and vote zeta for now. I would really like to see Guido's response to all of this.

[Charlotte21]

"John Nash is crazy and talked to himself... so I am going to as well!" exclaims Delta.

"And you wonder why we're offing you. If I had Mirage's job, I'd be like you too." says Rho with a sigh.

"Enough!" shouts Mu. "What I'd like to know is... where have Iota, Pi, and Sigma run off to? Their not being here for this makes me suspicious of them."

Iota, Pi, and Sigma now each have 1 phantom vote

*Delta, resigned to his fate, pulls out his hunting knife and jabs it into his stomach. He collapses and gasps for air. Blood spurts out of his mouth, and silence follows.

I found that death quite humurous, was a gg for me guys.

Btw, I wasn't mirage

[alainbryden]

Careful with that Roopert, I hadn't intended to end discussion this fast. One more vote for Zeta is an insta-lynch

[Kilgamayan]

just because he's always so confrontational

WHAT THE **** WHY I OUGHTTA

o sry

Anyway, the evidence against Zeta is better than most I've seen against anyone else, and is likely better than any else we'll see. I kinda hate voting for him since it would halt discussion entirely for the day though, and that would make me look pretty bad. =\

Regardless, I doubt that we won't have a single vote for Zeta within the next few new posts, and if anyone has information they want to spread, they could always PM it to everyone.

[roopert]

I change my vote to Pi at least until Guido responds.

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, so I've been a bit distant. It happens on weekends, especially when stretchy's around. I still paid attention to the game, but never took the time to sit down and write anything. Plus, there hadn't been too much to go off of.

Regarding my vote for Iota: I needed something somewhat solid for a vote. I had had some suspicions about several of the active members, but I was fairly convinced of their humanity, also. Iota's post did make me think "stifling information" from the start, and I wouldn't put it past him to try to do that if he is Mirage, so now I have a sneaking suspicion about someone who hasn't put up any defense at all (because he hadn't needed to at the time). I could have bandwagon voted for Delta, but I figured I'd bring another member (previously inactive) into the game. My "overreacting" was simply in response to Iota's supporting the one thing that pretty much assures Mirage the win. Like I said, I didn't have any better leads. I know I'm notorious for coming out strong against people who are actually human, but I figured it wouldn't be too harmful with all the votes against Delta.

@nForcer: I wasn't saying anything about his inactivity, just what he said in his actual post. If you read my earlier posts, you'll see that I had asked for more people to get involved; too many people were being too quiet. It seems you are slightly confused about my intentions with the post, but hopefully the above paragraph cleared some of that up.

@roopert: If you wanted to see what I had to say, putting me that close to an insta-lynch might have made your plan backfire.

EDIT: roop changed his vote.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[roopert]

Eh, Guido's post really didn't make me think he is human. It wasn't overly defensive like a bad wolf's would have been, yet it didn't seem much like a post a human would have made to save himself when he is obviously on the chopping block. It's almost as if he doesn't want to try too hard, because that is suspicious, and isn't being defensive enough, instead. I know this isn't rock solid logic, but at this point I'm willing to go out on a hunch. I have finals starting tomorrow, so I have no idea when I am going to post again. I change my vote back to zeta

[GuidoHunter]

Okay, I realize that I'm going to have to provide a sound alternative if I'm going to stand this jury.

Unfortunately, my alternative isn't as sound as I'd like one to be, but it's better than nothing. To me, the person who's been the most suspicious this game is still, but even moreso now, Iota. For a few reasons.

He's been quite unhelpful so far. The only posts I can remember him making are the ones on which I've commented (2). One of them didn't have any substance while the other was the attack on me. What basis did he have? A gut instinct. Sure, he realizes that saying that would get him in trouble, but that doesn't make his basis any more convincing. I know I pointed out things that would put suspicion on me when I was a wolf. So he has a gut instinct. What else? My posts look "suspicious" and "irregular" and "catch his attention". Anything more? He aligned himself with a very credible player (Alpha). It's quite a good strategy to mention your smart friends when your argument itself isn't the least convincing. So, Iota sees a bandwagon for the guy who brings his name to the light and jumps on it. An easy way to get another human lynched.

One last thing, I'm not one to consider inactivity to be wolfish behavior at all, because I certainly know how it is to just not be around or not want to make a post.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[HansSky]

Okay, I realize that I'm going to have to provide a sound alternative if I'm going to stand this jury.

Unfortunately, my alternative isn't as sound as I'd like one to be, but it's better than nothing. To me, the person who's been the most suspicious this game is still, but even moreso now, Iota. For a few reasons.

He's been quite unhelpful so far. The only posts I can remember him making are the ones on which I've commented (2). One of them didn't have any substance while the other was the attack on me. What basis did he have? A gut instinct. Sure, he realizes that saying that would get him in trouble, but that doesn't make his basis any more convincing. I know I pointed out things that would put suspicion on me when I was a wolf. So he has a gut instinct. What else? My posts look "suspicious" and "irregular" and "catch his attention". Anything more? He aligned himself with a very credible player (Alpha). It's quite a good strategy to mention your smart friends when your argument itself isn't the least convincing. So, Iota sees a bandwagon for the guy who brings his name to the light and jumps on it. An easy way to get another human lynched.

One last thing, I'm not one to consider inactivity to be wolfish behavior at all, because I certainly know how it is to just not be around or not want to make a post.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com


Guido, that is the most we have seen thus far. The greastest evidence we have seen lies at your feet. No relations to my gut at all. I'm not the only one who has seen it, I'm just the first one to bring it up.

Also, I'm not aligning myself with anyone, I haven't talked to alain once this game. I was just glad that somebody agreed with me.

I wouldn't purposely put myself in the spotlight if I was the Mirage. Nobody gave me an invitation, I made that post ony MY OWN. I'm coming out against you, and if I was the wolf, I would know there is a another day of lynching. And if you're not, I'm most likely the next to go. What kind of ****ty strategy is that? To make up evidence(which I'm not) against a player, and get the people on my side. For THIS DAY. Then tomorrow, people will be pissed that they lost, and call wolf on me. 'Oh well, at least I had them going at the time.' You need to have them going the entire game. Which is what I believe you are trying to do.

In closing:

God help me if you aren't the Mirage.

[Tsuteto]

Meh, like anybody cares what I post now.

Anyways, my vote reaches out to Kappa. I know it's a crappy conclusion for me, but I like thinking on the spot more than long term. That is probably one of the reasons why I'm not really into the game. Probably the MAIN reason actually.

Nonetheless, the reason I vote fore him is because Beta voted for him. Not wanting him to be voted again the next day, eliminate the threat. The other half was because of the player's ability. The other being killed, Rho, was most likely done at random. Part of my reasoning voting for Kappa though is kinda do to gut. I don't believe Zeta is Mirage, nor most others. My only thoughts are Kappa (whom I'm voting for), Pi, and, possibly, Alpha. That is ordered from strongest to weakest conclusions.

Yeah, I know, everyone knows I'm most likely human at this point due to Alain's words. And I know my reasoning is crappy. But TWG isn't as fun as I thought it was. After this is over, I'm probably done with TWG for good. You can all rejoice.

[alainbryden]

Well since no one else is posting anything I'll post what I think. I think right now I'd be satisfied with closing the deal on Guido, I didn't say it because I was pretty sure one of the other 3 people who are in this game would say something, but if everyone figures that they don't have to talk because it looks like it's settled with guido, well that just sucks. I definately don't want this day to end until we hear from Q.

[The_Q]

Ok, so I forgot that TWG existed. I'll be honest with you guys but I just hate the game. End of story.

Anyway, I know I'm holding things up. I'll just insta-lynch Zeta and get it over with.

Q

[Tasselfoot]

Insta. Locked. Story Coming.

[Tasselfoot]

The group gathers together again at 2200.

"Guys, I hate being out here. All of you smell like butt and I have no motivation to go on anymore. Lets just kill someone and hope we don't die ourselves," whines Pi.

"Your reasons are poor, but I do agree with you," says Iota.

"Guys. This is so clear. After going over all of the forensics, studying the crime scenes all day, and using Iota's ESP, I have concluded that Zeta is Mirage." states Alpha, with an air of arrogance.

Omicron, happy to hear the self-proclaimed leaders decision, runs over to Zeta, jumps into the air, and attempts to plunge his knife deep into him. Zeta steps slightly back and quickly parries the attack.

"It will take more than one puny civilian to take me out!" announces Zeta.

The eight remaining hunters pull their knives, waiting for Zeta to make a move. Zeta remains motionless with obvious training in patience. Looking to each other for a plan, they begin to slowly move, surrounding Zeta. Walking slowly forward, they raise their knives in unison. Zeta slashes out, but he is overcome by the hunters. Each plunges their knife into Zeta once, then back away to watch him die slowly.

Almost instantly, eight seperate beacons light up.

Thirty minutes later, a helicopter lands in the clearing.

"Congrats. Eight of you managed to survive Mirage's onslaught. This is certainly more than we anticipated. Something will be figured out relating to the employment offers. We definately do not have places for all of you. I'm sure all of you are physically and mentally exhausted. Please, sleep."

The group falls off to sleep quickly.

While they sleep, the Commander pulls a case out from under his seat. He carefully lifts seven needles out and slowly sticks them into the arms of seven of the survivors.

The helicopter lands at 0700 and Alpha is shaken awake.

"You have been chosen. Work for us, or share the fate of your friends," says the Commander with a smile.

"And the money?" asks the scared and relieved Alpha.

"Glad we have a deal. Your first job is to dispose of the bodies. Get to work."


HUMAN VICTORY! DESPITE THEIR DEATHS, THERE ARE EIGHT HUMAN WINNERS IN TWG IX. CONGRATS.

Alainbryden - Alpha WON
Blahblah18 - Beta DIED NIGHT 2
Chardish - Gamma DIED NIGHT 1
Charlotte21 - Delta DIED DAY 1
Evilbutterfly - Epsilon DIED NIGHT 1
GuidoHunter - Zeta DIED DAY 2
HansSky - Iota WON
Kefit - Kappa WON
Kilgamayan - Lambda WON
Nforcer06164 – Mu WON
Roopert - Omicron WON
The_Q – Pi WON
Tps222 - Rho DIED NIGHT 2
Tsuteto - Sigma WON

Post-Game coming soon.