TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

**leetic** · 02-24-2025, 07:57 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

As for Hate's Haku push, meh? I haven't been the biggest townreader of Haku but I think it would realistically require thesunfan to be partnered (I doubt w!Haku tinfoils Lar when there was no reason to if they're partners, Haku's "why do you townread me" towards Ara looks unaligned, this jump wouldn't make sense in a Haku/Hate world as sunfan would be an easier target) and I'd much rather flip sunfan than Haku. Though, if it is a wolf move, it seems to be a sign of desperation; if the goal is to lynch Haku, it seems unlikely to have the required votes when me and Ara both said we wouldn't vote Haku and MML was unlikely to be malleable. I think a desperate wolfteam in that scenario would also require sunfan to be partnered here? Eh

**leetic** · 02-24-2025, 07:59 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

I feel bad because I've read all of sunfan's posts, and like... some of them I do like? Just like, general vibes of some posts do make me feel like he's genuinely trying to solve the game at points; biggest example of this is probably how he talked about his Hate townread!!

Noting for the record that I'm not using any meta for him because if we've played together, it was either too long ago and/or in too different of a format; among us doesn't count either!!!! :P

That being said... he is not currently passing the bar of towniness that I've set for day 2, which I know is unfair to him because this is basically like day 1 for him, or 1.5 if we want to factor in the amount of info!!!! If this were day 1 then I could easily see me feeling comfy enough putting him as light town for now and moving on? Which just... isn't enough for a townread today, sorry!!!

Not really sure what you can do about this sunfan, sorry; you want to maybe talk more about your thoughts on Leetic?

Can you show me what towniness you see in sunfan? For me they're playing this game quite like inactive mafia would (mostly posting about how they're going to be inactive, giving up pushes whenever there's any pushback, etc.) I don't think I've seen them towntell once

**MixMasterLar** · 02-24-2025, 08:02 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

MixMasterLar, what do you want to do today? Guessing you haven't gone to sleep yet, as you haven't voted!!!

Right now I want to sit on Hate again and see how that feels, but do want to figure out if we need to do some pre-emptive vote coordination!!

Trying to get keys out of a car so already up later then I wanted, but I'm focusing on breaking into this fucker and then bed. I'm up at 5am tomorrow

I think I have to go Hate and here's why

-Stronger town reads elsewhere excluding SunFan (and would ideally wait til EOD to see if that was more viable but oops)

-Haku case feels really forced in places

-I fundamentalally disagree with a Haku wagon to the point I think it's harmful to towb

-this helps resolve previous CW and someone the night kills did shade

-.....man idk the whole push feels that bad. It really feels like scum knowing they have to make effort and picking some truly low hanging fruit no shut the fuck up inactives ain't low hanging fruit they are a fucking liability

And I hate voting here this early because I feel EOD will be telling for several players but I have to decide here and I mean fuck, apparently it's top tier sus not to vote so HnH it is

**the sun fan** · 02-24-2025, 08:03 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Sven if u r thinking it is haku and I, why not vote me
I am much more killable than haku

**MixMasterLar** · 02-24-2025, 08:04 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Don't let SunFan talk you into Leetic that's absurd. I'm staking my rep in the game that he's clean

Anyway this is my final post this phase, I have to draw a line now. Sorry

**Arapocalypse** · 02-24-2025, 08:04 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

Maybe. I suppose the problem is you don't want the wolves to know what abilities the Freikugel has remaining. Having a definitive answer on who was the wolf kill and who was the Vig kill would be nice though and ideally if it's going to be revealed this phase it's not at last minute

What would you gain from this knowledge of knowing who was killed by the mafia/who the Freikugel killed, though? If you wanted to look at their reads, then why not operate under the assumption both were killed by mafia and take both into account?

Personally, I think we should just leave it up to the Freikugel whether they want to claim or not; don't really think it's that useful to get into this further today!!!

**MixMasterLar** · 02-24-2025, 08:04 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by the sun fan

I am much more killable than haku

Dawg I don't have any room left in my sig and this quote is a banger

Ok out for real

**the sun fan** · 02-24-2025, 08:06 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by MixMasterLar

Don't let SunFan talk you into Leetic that's absurd. I'm staking my rep in the game that he's clean

Anyway this is my final post this phase, I have to draw a line now. Sorry

Ok is he gone now can we vote lar now

**leetic** · 02-24-2025, 08:10 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

What would you gain from this knowledge of knowing who was killed by the mafia/who the Freikugel killed, though? If you wanted to look at their reads, then why not operate under the assumption both were killed by mafia and take both into account?

Personally, I think we should just leave it up to the Freikugel whether they want to claim or not; don't really think it's that useful to get into this further today!!!

But that's not very helpful is it? We can end up getting too the wrong conclusion by considering the wrong person. Nevertheless, it's getting a bit late in the phase for it to matter all that much

**leetic** · 02-24-2025, 08:11 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by the sun fan

Ok is he gone now can we vote lar now

Are you actually gonna have a strong push or is this more pussyfooting?

**Arapocalypse** · 02-24-2025, 08:14 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

Can you show me what towniness you see in sunfan? For me they're playing this game quite like inactive mafia would (mostly posting about how they're going to be inactive, giving up pushes whenever there's any pushback, etc.) I don't think I've seen them towntell once

I don't really feel like the towniness is that notable is the thing, which is why I didn't go into it much; light stuff like liking some of the way he seemed to find and defended Hate, also just light tone/vibes that are more difficult to quantify - none of it really make me feel like it could not be faked from a mafia perspective, is my issue, especially if Hate is mafia!!!

Essentially, you're very on point in that none of it really makes me think, oh hey this post/train of thought is really towny coming from sunfan!!! Just haven't gotten that click, sorry if you're town!!

Are you currently strongly mafia-reading sunfan, or have a lighter mafia read on him, or what?

**the sun fan** · 02-24-2025, 08:15 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

Are you actually gonna have a strong push or is this more pussyfooting?

I was trying to bait him to post one more time
Probably not pushing there but idk what I'm gonna do yet man

**Arapocalypse** · 02-24-2025, 08:16 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by leetic

But that's not very helpful is it? We can end up getting too the wrong conclusion by considering the wrong person. Nevertheless, it's getting a bit late in the phase for it to matter all that much

I mean like... if they are likely to die then yes, they would just claim then? I didn't really think that was worth mentioning, just felt like obvious PR things!!

**leetic** · 02-24-2025, 08:16 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Originally posted by Arapocalypse

I don't really feel like the towniness is that notable is the thing, which is why I didn't go into it much; light stuff like liking some of the way he seemed to find and defended Hate, also just light tone/vibes that are more difficult to quantify - none of it really make me feel like it could not be faked from a mafia perspective, is my issue, especially if Hate is mafia!!!

Essentially, you're very on point in that none of it really makes me think, oh hey this post/train of thought is really towny coming from sunfan!!! Just haven't gotten that click, sorry if you're town!!

Are you currently strongly mafia-reading sunfan, or have a lighter mafia read on him, or what?

Probably not super strong in the grand scheme of things, but in the context of this game he's the least towny and fits in the most plausible wolf teams

**leetic** · 02-24-2025, 08:17 PM

Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

Freikugel needs to shoot if we mislynch, even if a devil shot goes off it would be our only chance to win. If we lynch correctly I'll leave it up to them

TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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