TWG XXXVIII: THE RACE FOR THE PRESIDENCY

[JurseyRider734]

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well **** **** you ****ing bitches i hate you sexist pricks god damnit i will end you

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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There's three possibilities:

Wilkin's not a wolf.
Wilkin went for hans without knowing it would be deterred.
Wilkin knew it would go down one (since everyone was calling him wolf he figured he'd get hit with it) and went for hans to hit jurs.

I'm not sure what wilkin know about anyone roles, but I think it's highly possible that he went for hans in either case. I do still think that he's a wolf based off of past thoughts, and I will be voting him today.

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On second thought (which I find unlikely) there is another possibility. That our helper made up his role as well and they are both wolves. Which means that they had nothing to worry about last night and just hit jurs. I find this to be the least likely, but we have to at least consider it.

Also, for anyone who may complain about how much I gave away in the thread; anyone that'll know enough for this to matter will know enough to get people illegal-killed without seeing what I wrote, so it really doesn't matter.


As far as votes:
(if ANY of these are wrong please correct me, some people just told me instead of PMing me and I have a horrible memory[I only got two PMs XD])

HiThey voted for Iggy
Iggy voted for Guido
Guido voted for Nija
Observer voted for Guido
DBP voted for guido
Nija voted for guido

As for hithey, he told me he was going to switch to guido (We were talking around deadline on aim) but he couldn't because he was on aim on his phone and wasn't near a computer.

Also, if you told me, and I forgot, PM me and kindly let me know. (I'll remember once I see it again, so people won't be able to just sneak votes in)

[nijatwo]

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do we have to assume that the other three votes that aren't on the list are for iggy? Anyone else have their counts together?

[HiTheyCallMeGod]

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do we have to assume that the other three votes that aren't on the list are for iggy? Anyone else have their counts together?

it would only make sense that we did

[xObserveRx]

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or would it? I'd really like to see those other votes please.

[talisman]

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I voted for iggy, and I'm fairly confident he was a wolf. Here's why:

You may have noticed how I got kinda quiet the past couple days in comparison to day one (in the thread, at least). This was partly because stoic and hans were there, leading the double-headed alliance or however that worked, partly because I'm selfish and didn't want to look so useful as to get killed, and partly because I didn't want to post my suspicions publically until I had more evidence. And that evidence didn't present itself until iggy talked to me yesterday.

Anyway, so day one, right after this plan with the three vote-receivers is finalized, iggy comes to me with his role. He could apparently vote twice, or so he claimed. His reason ostensibly for coming to me was that he wanted someone in charge of the vote-receiving to know how the whole plan wouldn't really work. I bought it at the time, but I think now that may have only been a half-truth. It wasn't until it occurred to me that there very well might be special red roles (ie a red that could vote twice, or subtract votes) that would also affect how that vote plan worked that I saw the second potential motivation.

It's weird enough that iggy, smart a player as he is, came to me with his role so early. I mean... if you have an illegal role, you don't tell people what it is (although apparently not many people this game followed this rule too well...). Especially not until you're sure you can trust them. So that set off alarm bells for me. I think what he was really trying to do was to just gain my trust. Perhaps he suspected that there would be a lot of special roles, and knew that being one of the last to come to a future alliance leader with one would look bad (he would know having been in the position of alliance leader last game). I don't know. But it was out of character.

Then yesterday we got to talking (he was upset that hans was trying to get him lynched on the convo evidence) and he eventually brought up this "hypothetical" role (which after reading dbp's post I assume is real) that would shift the action of a red or blue player down one on the list. He was using this to show how he would be proven human beyond a doubt because of the hans kill (ie, this hypothetical role had selected him that night, and therefore he couldn't have targeted hans, and wouldn't have targeted himself). This made a certain amount of sense to me, but he began the convo with an interesting question along the lines of "do you think this role is a red role or a blue role?" Which got me thinking later that perhaps this "hypothetical" role could be either red or blue. For example, the red one would affect only a blue's actions (or maybe both, but presumably the red one wouldn't target a fellow red). And so that got me thinking that perhaps iggy and another wolf (with this "hypothetical" role) had made this whole thing (proving iggy's innocence) up.

For one thing, it explains the sertman kill. Sertman's good, but he's not THAT good. But right beneath him is me. So perhaps iggy et al. rationalized that if they had this role, then there was no reason for the blues to have something similar, and thus tried to maximize their potential damage. It also explains the hans guarding. They couldn't go after me, since I was likely to be guarded that night (I was one of the vote-receivers and such), and the active hans was the next best thing. But they couldn't go for iggy (who is above hans) on the chance that iggy would die, so they had to chance just going for hans outright, and got burned.

So I'm thinking that iggy and whoever his friend is (I have a pretty good idea but I don't want to post the name here for fear that I'll get him ejected in case I'm wrong) that has this "hypothetical" role were/are wolves. I'm hoping I'm not just stringing a whole bunch of disconnected info together (as I am wont to do at times), but it all fits together too nicely. And I still can't get over why iggy would want to come out to me so early... there had to be a hidden motive there.

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In other news, I'm not too sad to see guido go as well, as I was decently suspicious of him on purely behavioral grounds as well. Still... let's try to avoid that tie situation anymore. The odds are far against that working to our benefit.

In still other news, jurs? Could be a missed attack on hans like dbp was suggesting (that would guarantee the presence of the blue version of this role anyway). Kinda ballsy to go after hans again though if you're not sure the guardian is dead. Could be blue-hunting as well, I suppose. Although from what I gathered talking to iggy (why did you people come to him with your roles?) and stoic, it's apparently shooting fish in a barrel when it comes to blue-hunting this game.

[Wilkin]

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o btw iggy was a confirmed human, yet all the people who knew this lynched him gg

[xObserveRx]

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Why hasn't someone posted up the rest of the votes from yesterday? Leaving everyone to assume that it was a tie without seeing all the votes is going to do nothing but cause a lot of mistrust from certain individuals.

Just post the list already.

[HiTheyCallMeGod]

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Iggy was never officially confirmed as a human.

as for votes, I got:

Nija for Guido
Observer for Guido
Guido for Omega
DBP for Guido
HiThey for Iggy

thats all I have

[HiTheyCallMeGod]

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We need to hear from 4 people not 3, 2 of the people DBP got votes from are now gone (iggy and guido)

Heres who we need votes from:

4.vashthestampede0987 (pyro31191)
6.hanssky (notsofaroff)
9.wilkin (Wilkini Evili)
17.omeganitros (OmegaNoxim)

Talisman said he voted Iggy.

We need to get a hold of these people to find out who they voted for. If you have info, post it.

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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Wilkin didn't vote
Hans voted for iggy (he posted it in the thread)

Jurs sent in a vote for iggy and told me she was going to change it to guido. If she did indeed change I don't know.

Who else needs to be accounted for?

[Wilkin]

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No one can be officially confirmed as a human in a game like this. Even Stoic's coming out and Hans' guarding looked suspicious to me.

In reference to my resources, though, Iggy was 99% confirmed, with almost flawless reasoning.

[HiTheyCallMeGod]

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No one can be officially confirmed as a human in a game like this. Even Stoic's coming out and Hans' guarding looked suspicious to me.

In reference to my resources, though, Iggy was 99% confirmed, with almost flawless reasoning.

how was iggy 99% confirmed? Give us some evidence as to how he was that close to being proved a human.

[FoJaR]

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20 hours left.

2.talisman (stressreliefball)
4.vashthestampede0987 (pyro31191)
6.hanssky (notsofaroff)
9.wilkin (Wilkini Evili)
11.hitheycallmegod (HiTheyCallMeGod)
12.DiscoBobbyParanoia (DBP TWG)
13.nijatwo (RebelNija)
16.xobserverx (xTried N Truex)
17.omeganitros (OmegaNoxim)

post you ******s

[DiscoBobbyPARANOiA]

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Activity has simply died over the last couple of days.

i'd really like to talk to more people on aim about today's lynch. IM me please.