TWG XXXVII Postgame - Wolves win

[Afrobean]

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Because saving .5 of a kill totally makes sense and is also fair.

There are such better things that could have been done to balance it. For example, the wolves could have gotten a list of what the blue roles that were available were. That would have let them know that everyone is blue, and it would have also made it easier for them to fake a role.

You know what?

We should get Tass in here and see what he has to say about 4 kills in one night.

[Shashakiro]

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We should get Tass in here and see what he has to say about 4 kills in one night.

I told him about it during the game.

He wtf'd.

[Wilkin]

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It's funny, because right before I was lynched, I was preaching about the existence of the time travel wolf, even going back to the story and the original thread Stoic made about this game, that said there would be at least one time travel wolf. I guess people were so convinced I was a desperate red (which was half right, I had accepted my fate by then) that they dismissed any information or evidence I put out there. From how it worked, though, any of the wolves could time travel unless one of the five blockers blocked the person with the machine. Before I died, I wanted to give it to Hans, but he was hesitant of why we would have the option to trade it off, and didn't want to risk being caught with it. Thus, I gave it to Shash, which ended up working well, since the time blockers wouldn't end up blocking another one of their own.

I think the extra kills made sense for the huge disadvantage of the all-unknown-blue situation, which ended up getting two wolves killed right on Day 1. Though I don't know if four was the most practical, maybe an extra one or two here or there would've helped the balance while putting extra pressure on the all blue team.

[FoJaR]

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afro: did you and iggy block people at night?

[Afrobean]

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Actually, I stopped doing it after a while because I was convinced it was for nothing.

btw, I blocked hans night 3 and oops he didnt have a time machine

LOL

ps being able to pass the time machine between wolves pretty much completely eliminates the time blockers' effectiveness

[FoJaR]

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not unless they know who you're blocking.

[talisman]

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pity mini didn't guard me night one. that would have been game set match.

as it was... I semi followed the game. it was too confusing without knowing what was happening behind the scenes though.

[Kilgamayan]

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the thing that got me the most was the switching roles thing.

seriously... in a game where you KNEW something like this was going to happen, why even give a wolf a human role? who's going to lynch someone who's been confirmed as a human role?

that's completely unfair on all levels.

And a game with 12 blues that has an alliance set up on the first day via cheating is perfectly fair for the wolves!

[sertman]

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however, the alliance set up by cheating wasn't stoic's fault.

whatever i'm not playing any more games where i don't know the roles beforehand >_>

i mean whats to stop, say, a vigilante wolf? everyone may think he's a confirmed human afterwards, but who knows

[Kilgamayan]

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But the 12 blues were.

This wasn't unfair in the slightest. You guys got schooled because Hans played an awesome game and iggy's cheating backfired 100%. If you had outplayed us then you would've won. 'Zat simple.

[Afrobean]

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The switching roles thing wasn't what was unfair about the game.

It was the ability for the wolves to kill 4 in one night no matter what as long as they last until night 4. Imagine a game in which the wolves get 2 kills per night, even though there is FOUR OF THEM. That's basically what this was. The only reason the humans did as well as we did is because we got two wolves right off the bat.

And Kilga, the "cheating" was just people saying things about their role from the PM. Example:

A: oh you're a time blocker? What's your abilities?
B: my powers are *xxxxxxx*.

How is that cheating? How would it have played out if the person had been seer?

A: oh you're the seer, huh? What's your powers?
B: I look at a player each night and I know if they're human or wolf.

Would that have been cheating?

[Kilgamayan]

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I went over this with Stoic once, and there is, in fact, a difference.

In iggy's big huge Day 3 post, he said that Shash "knew all the parts of his role". This implies that iggy got Shash to produce every intricacy of the time blocker role, not just a general "oh you're this? what does it do" etc. In fact, iggy wouldn't need to have done that because he was one himself (and even admitted as such on Day 1).

Now, why is this different from "oh, you're the seer? what can you do etc."? Because everyone and their mother knows what a seer's basic functions are. The seer has been used a kajillion times in the past. The time blocker role was unique to this game, so no one would have prior knowledge of how it worked because it had never existed before.

Stoic not only did not make the number of roles public knowledge, he did not make their names or functions public knowledge either. This means that every single role unique to this game had PM-exclusive information in it. When iggy heard Shash's time blocker description, he matched it up with his own to confirm Shash's status as a time blocker, thereby using PM-exclusive information to prove humanity (Shash not actually being human being irrelevant), because if Shash never got a time blocker PM how would he know the exact specifics of the role? The odds of a wolf making a bunch of **** up on the fly and not only producing every single specific but not leaving any out either are so small it's laughable to think it will ever happen in our lifetime.

This is not to say that asking about role specifics is inherently illegal. The act of using Shash's answers and matching them up with his own to confirm Shash as a time blocker is where iggy cheated.

[sertman]

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But the 12 blues were.

This wasn't unfair in the slightest. You guys got schooled because Hans played an awesome game and iggy's cheating backfired 100%. If you had outplayed us then you would've won. 'Zat simple.

ok out of the 12 blues

4 TT time blockers were useless
Forensic scientist was only useful for vigi kills and to verify that i was a blue, so that doesn't really count because no harm was done to the wolves
vigilante, legit blue
Master seer, legit blue
coroner, legit blue
pupil seer: ONLY A BLUE ONCE THE MASTER SEER DIED. in this case, they both died at the same time.
guardian: legit blue
TT guardian: legit ONLY BECAUSE he can guard for the present
psychic: legit blue

so in reality, 6 or 7 blues that actually had a real effect on the game.

[Kilgamayan]

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4 TT time blockers were useless

Not the wolves' fault none of you decided to block Shash on Night 4.

[sertman]

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Why would they? he was a confirmed human.

or so they thought.