TWG XXI Postgame

[User6773]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

POSTGAME BITTERNESS

[Afrobean]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

Hay, how would you feel if you played a flawless game, but then got lynched for nothing you did, then your team lost simply because we'd already lost two comrades (one was from luck, but I'll admit that Tps did deserve his lynch)?

[GuidoHunter]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

I maintain that only Jursey was wolfy toward the end of the game. I wasn't wolfy, Tass wasn't, LD wasn't, Omega wasn't, blah was but that was quickly cleared up, eb was much less wolfy after a while, so that left you, mead, and Jurs. I didn't think mead was at all, and I give props to him for that, but since you could have gone either way, I was willing to help Tass out since he had a much more limited suspect pool. I was leaning toward human with you, but was willing to take the risk. We had time to spare, and I was fine with using it. After you got lynched and eb was wolfed, mead and Jurs were the only two to stick out. I voted Jursey because I believed she was a wolf, but when chardish came out, I was willing to trust him, too. Remember, we had much time to spare. You shouldn't be complaining like you are, Afro.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Afrobean]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

I totally accept that after a certain point, the game was completely unwinnable. I just think it's messed up that myself and mead got lynched without any strong reason when there were strong reasons for why others were wolves.

Well, a lot stronger than any reason for myself or mead to be a wolf.

Especially mead.

[mead1]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

I have a few bitter and hateful words, but I'll keep them to myself, and just say this:

GG Tass

Just an FYI guys, if Next game I'm active, or even helpful, don't lynch me day 1 because I'm acting different. I would really like to become a more valuable member of this game, and since my name currently comes with a tag of inactivity and stupidity, I'm a bit afraid it might get me killed.

[evilbutterfly]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

Because you're not gonna read the whole convo, here's the important part for me:

evilbutterfly87 (8:00:31 PM): I don't want to play TWG anymore.
Afrobean16 (8:00:35 PM): me either
Afrobean16 (8:00:41 PM): it's gotten stupid
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:46 PM): Now that I can't even tell what you are
Afrobean16 (8:00:52 PM): maybe a few here and there but it's messed up now
evilbutterfly87 (8:00:57 PM): and I know you better than any other FFRer
Afrobean16 (8:01:00 PM): exactly
evilbutterfly87 (8:01:07 PM): our thinking has gotten so ridiculously complex

I'm not helpful, and it's gotten so...routine. I'd rather go back to jTWG and own some bitches.

PS: You know how I pretty much got Tass banned before? And he only got unbanned because he promised to get better? Is it just me, or has he gotten worse? (read: Fuck you Tass. Fuck you and your stupid sig. Some of those aren't even your doing, others are luck, and some are just plain stupid.)

[GuidoHunter]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

Afro, did you read my posts? What was the strong evidence for other people. Like I said, the only person on whom I had anything was Jursey.

chardish wasn't able to post "strong" evidence against mead, though we all accepted it to be. You probably would have, too.

It's not "messed up" that y'all got lynched when you did. We look for the most convincing evidence for each person. In Hans's case, it pretty much proved he was a wolf, but most of the time we just have to go for whomever looks the least human. Rarely do we have enough evidence to conclude that someone was a wolf.

Plus, there was certainly behind-the-scenes evidence that you never saw.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[talisman]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

afro and mead you had no chance... yes you blended in and stuff but that's not the point. Other people had concrete things showing that they were human and you guys didn't.

Once you lose two wolves in two days and facing an alliance you're hopeless. It didn't help that you couldn't spot the blues.

Mead, I applaud your late effort in voting afro early, but it didn't matter because like tass said, it was either you or blah, and blah had concrete evidence on his side and you had shit.

Afro, the reason you got lynched was not because of my lucky gut day one. That led me to post on day four that huge post against you. Then you made it extra obvious when you contacted me on AIM and were overly aggressive about my accusations on you when I hadn't even voted for you. That convo posted in the thread was extra evidence.

Plus there was the tps-torlock convo thing on day one. I reasoned that if tps was doing that as a wolf he would have another wolf come in and attack him for doing so, thus creating easy separation. You fit that profile. And your semi-defense of tps before it was clear he was getting lynched. Also when you voted for tps, and the way you kept rolling over votes like you wanted to avoid looking wolfish voting late in the days.

Stop trying to act like it was me saying "oh I think afro is a wolf tass go get him" because that isn't what happened. You got beat, fair and square, and you really had no chance after hans and tps went down and an alliance formed. It's really not your fault.

[Tps222]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

Not this again.

This is all in the context of the game, I have nothing against you two personally: Grow the hell up and stop complaining. Nothing about this game has gotten routine, new things are getting added every day. This is a team game, it will balance itself out. Tass can say whatever he wants, freedom of speech, so stop crying about it. Whether it's true or not, it SHOULD push you to try harder the next game, motivate you. When the going gets tough, the tough get going, and not going away mind you.

Now, lets decide host for TWG XXII, I like Whorli's idea, and of course, I'm putting mine up as well.

EDIT: Directed @ EB's post.

[Afrobean]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

I like how you guys got lucky by going with myself and mead over others and now you're claiming "behind the scenes evidence." Just face up that it was luck that got me and mead instead of others.

PS

most of the time we just have to go for whomever looks the least human.

This statement in itself is flawed. Because the wolves are trying especially hard to fit in, they are often the MOST human of all.

[talisman]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

afro it's called process of elimination.

it was you, mead, and blah in tass' mind. Tass had the convo where blah correctly identifies a blue and knows that that blue is still alive. Who does that leave?

It's not your fault that you lost, it's the fault of kilga for getting lucky with hans and tps being retarded and the bookie role being somewhat broken and an alliance be able to be formed that way. You played well in terms of behavior, as did mead, but behavior is never what counts late in the game. Neither of you had solid evidence on your side saying that you were human and the other players did.

[User6773]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

If you vote off anyone solely because they look too human you're a complete idiot.

EVERYONE is guilty until proven innocent, this is the nature of playing a game with an alliance (even a behind-the-scenes alliance). If you don't have enough stuff to prove that you're a human you're either a) a wolf, and should be lynched or b) inactive, and shouldn't be playing.

Yeah, "gut" enters into it sometimes, but gut shouldn't be everything. It's pretty difficult to accurately "read" people like you can read them in real life.

[Afrobean]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

First, mead's vote on me before there was even serious talk of me getting lynched seems like pretty solid evidence of humanity to me, but this goes back to what ap bitched about ingame about evidence being able to be used to argue both sides.

Also, note:

it was you, mead, and blah in tass' mind.

I like how TASS's mind is the only one that counted when it came to deciding who to lynch.

Seriously, even with a proven blue alliance leader, you don't need to follow them blindly. Sure, Tass got lucky this time and hastely took care of the wolves, but you can't hand it all over to one person. Remember that this is a team game, so voting for someone simply because they say to (even if they are without a doubt human) is stupid.

Whatever, though. It is just a game after all.

[talisman]

RE: TWG XXI Postgame

well when tass' mind counts for at least three votes, then, yeah, it is the most important one. And I don't think everyone else's list were that long either. Guido probably had you, mead, and jurs. If I had been alive it would have been you, mead, and omega. Mead's vote on you early was commendable but too little too late. Everyone else had already gotten evidence for their humanity.

[Kilgamayan]

Re: RE: TWG XXI Postgame

Not this again.

This is all in the context of the game, I have nothing against you two personally: Grow the hell up and stop complaining. Nothing about this game has gotten routine, new things are getting added every day. This is a team game, it will balance itself out. Tass can say whatever he wants, freedom of speech, so stop crying about it. Whether it's true or not, it SHOULD push you to try harder the next game, motivate you. When the going gets tough, the tough get going, and not going away mind you.

Shut the hell up.