2026 TWG Rules Thread

[thesunfan]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

my big problem with all of this is that locking threads during the night phase will usually have to be unlocked so the mod can post the flips, which will mean there is still a window, no matter how small, for people to post.

Instas also throw things off sometimes

That and its not timed perfectly. Personally, my clock is not synced perfectly with FFRs, and I'm not sure how to sync it or how long it would stay perfectly synced, etc.

It seems the vast majority of people are in favor of locking threads at night if nighttalk is off and the mod wants the thread to be locked so, if I don't see some more people talk about never wanting this to be the case, I'll at least see how possible it is for me to do this.

[Hakulyte]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

Ah thanks, that actually makes a lot of sense. I didn't consider it that way.

[YoshL]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

you should not be making posts past the end of the phase regardless, and the thread being locked is more for prevention of people who actually forget nighttalk is off.

The mod locking the thread will not have perfect timing and still may cut off people who would have actually had a valid post. If the mod is a little late, then that defeats the purpose of your locking procedure, because it allows posts to slip through that may be after the phase end.

You normally do not get modkilled for a post that was submitted just a tiny bit too late. Even then, it's usually a rush vote, and at that point, the vote is just nullified.

If you're posting like 1-2 minutes after the day end, the player is in complete fault as they did not look at their clock before clicking post. "not refreshing" is not an excuse for that.

[Hakulyte]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

If nighttalk being off is listed as one of the mechanics for the game, it's a rule.

I guess I didn't word myself properly.

What happens EoD is usually "Stop Posting" -> tallying votes from that post -> locking the thread for starting nightphase etc.

I'm suggesting to directly lock the thread and then tally votes as usual which would remove the danger of posting too late and being possibly modkilled for it.

The same could happen with nighttalk on, the only difference is that the thread would be unlocked the moment the host is done posting flips.

It shouldn't be particularly hard to time, you can just look at the computer clock and click the moment it reaches the time limit.

[YoshL]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

if you want to be like haku and be like "OH BUT I CAN BE LIKE COLOR=#FE0000 AND GET AWAY WITH AN ILLEGAL VOTE" then you're actually stupid. If you're actively trying to stick your toe out past a line and try to be cheeky with that crap, then don't play twg.


easy wording -
votes need to be bolded and red. This can be achieved easily with the [twgv] tag. The text should allow the host to understand without question or assumptions exactly who you're voting for.

[XelNya]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

I'm fine on the [twgv] tag being the official voting method but also denote that typos should count because sometimes you just DO NOT have time to proofread or you do and gloss over a simple but stupid typo.

On the locking thing, as long as it can be done consistently I think it's a good idea, and certainly make it so hosts have the option for that not to be the case.

[Gradiant]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

nighttalk = off for me entails "don't post" rather than "you cannot post", even if the latter interpretation would have a net positive effect on games

I'm also in favor of locking the thread for night phase as it would end my complains about being possibly modkilled for posting late.
It would end any form of hesitation and anyone could just post how they want until it's locked.

If nighttalk being off is listed as one of the mechanics for the game, it's a rule. Not something that should be missed either as it's usually also posted in the sign-up thread as well which everybody should be reading if they're planning on playing. Thus if they feel the need to nightpost even after knowing that nighttalking being off is a rule, they should know there's going to be consequences.

I have no problem if the host themselves wants the thread locked when nightphase starts though, but if there's a case where the thread doesn't get locked soon enough and somebody posts beforehand after the dayphase ended, there should be consequences as I've said above.

[Hakulyte]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

If [twgv][/twgv] tags had an unique font that cannot be replicated, that would be ideal for forcing everyone to use only [twgv][/twgv] tags without having to deal with people using [color=red][/color] to potentially fake votes.

This is assuming that [twgv][/twgv] become a standard and the only way to vote someone. Exceptions should be mentioned too like [twgv][/twgv] into a quote or into [spoiler][/spoiler].

Another possibility that's a lot simpler would be to make [color=red][/color] modkillable if it's used to fake a vote, but that sounds a little extreme unless it's directly mentioned in the game.

It's just a matter of how you want to force standards for voting at this point.

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I'm also in favor of locking the thread for night phase as it would end my complains about being possibly modkilled for posting late.
It would end any form of hesitation and anyone could just post how they want until it's locked.

[inDheart]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

ok, maybe i should rephrase

i would favor threads locked at night as the default, and if the host doesn't want it for some reason, they can say so

[thesunfan]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

well, its you guys that decide the rules with the mods

mods don't decide the rules so

Yoshl and I having our opinions are on equal footing with yours

[thesunfan]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

well, its you guys that decide the rules with the mods

mods don't decide the rules so

Yoshl and I having our opinions are on equal footing with yours

[inDheart]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

1) in favor of counting votes in correct tags only, but also making it clear and a must-read what those tags are. i actually didn't realize until i looked that it didn't seem to be stated formally anywhere.

i haven't played with fennec fox, can it handle two different sets of tags, or does it just look at the realized text formatting? if the former, moving to twgv as the sole vote option might be better, though that spells an end to anything else being in bold red ever

2) i think i would prefer this to be game specific unless some mod for each game says they're up to it. something hard and fast is only good if it can be consistently applied, which makes me think it would have to either be "lock always" or "lock never"

nighttalk = off for me entails "don't post" rather than "you cannot post", even if the latter interpretation would have a net positive effect on games

also, a mod who is in a game should probably not be the same one in charge of lock/unlock, as much as we want people to be reasonable people; part of me thinks it just reflects badly to give someone with direct influence on the game that responsibility

it does look like both active mods are in favor of this though, so i guess i like the host opt-out idea sunfan said

[YoshL]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

i'm fine with a mod locking the thread at the correct time

[thesunfan]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

two things that should be talked about

one, should there be clearer definition of what qualities a vote must have, more specifically, should votes in [twgv][\twgv] or in [color='Red][\color] tags be the only ones counted, or should a clear attempt at a vote be counted as a vote as well

secondly, should games without nighttalk be locked during the night phases all the time, at mod request, or never. I should mention that, if games are to be locked, its not always easy for me or yoshl or another mod to unlock the thread at a specific time.

Of the first, I think that a rule should be added simply just for clarifications sake. I think only votes that are formatted properly should be counted with no exceptions. I do believe that adding the proper tags to the tl;dr version of the rules will help with this, but, if an expanded rule is added, I will include these tags in the expanded rule as well.

I think the locking of threads during the night phases is something that I think I would like to do unless asked otherwise by the mod.

[thesunfan]

Re: 2016 TWG Rules Thread

it also cannot interfere with the flow of the thread in a meaningful way

a good example of this is when DBP posted an unspoilered text of the Spongebob Movie script