TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

On one hand I want to say I'd be interested, but on the other I don't think you really have time for that, at the moment!!!


Maybe if you live today, would you consider doing it tonight? That being said you're under absolutely no obligation to do so and I won't suspect you more or whatever for saying no; it's entirely possible one or both of you could die tonight anyway!!

Actually sorry, I feel sort of mean for suggesting that when there's a fair chance it wouldn't be worth your while anyway!!!

[the sun fan]

I'm just gonna try speedrunning not w/w interactions
I'll try to pay attention in real time too
I'm a little desperate to find something worth pursuing

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

[edited your post down to relevant parts]

I don't necessarily want to get into this too much, as I want to avoid letting this discussion to consume the thread; that being said, I do want to make one last effort to explain my reasoning and then I'll drop it!!!

Consider these hypothetical worst-case scenarios from the perspective of a vanilla town Haku, if you would:

A: Haku votes no one as Vengeful Spirit and, keeping in mind both me/Leetic had loudly proclaimed to be very very hard townreading them, still manages to get voted off - you've talked about this one already, and yes this would end the game!

B: Haku votes sunfan to put two votes on sunfan, then sunfan claims Freikugel and mafia out to hammer sunfan, which ends the game!

From Haku's perspective, my/leetic's strong townreads on Haku meant that Scenario A is just so much less likely to occur than Scenario B that it simply is not worth considering for them, is my main point!!!

Sure, Scenario B is not necessarily that likely, but if Haku is vanilla town than B is already more likely than A anyways, so better to be on the safe side and not vote to prevent B from happening!!

Honestly I would be shocked if Scenario A even occurred to Haku at all at the time they popped in, they just have never been in danger of getting voted out at all this game!!!!

Also, technically there's Scenario C where Haku votes some other non-leetic/sunfan person, but why do that if you (Haku) have strong townreads on everyone who isn't sunfan, and there's already 1 person voting sunfan anyway?

Anyways, if this doesn't make sense to you then sorry, I'm leaving it at that; I'm spending way too much time on this already anyways, rewritten it half a dozen times probably!!!!

B: You're forgetting the context of B, though. This vote was never going to stick.

It's of course never impossible that Haku is town, but unless someone does an uncontested hard PR claim, that's just not going to happen.

and as for Haku not thinking about it, I understand you believe it, but I don't believe that can be true due to experience with this person in my life where there's no way this is the timeline.

I appreciate your comments though, and I do think the "if haku actually thought the vote on sunfan counted" is a sensible argument. However, I don't think there is anything anyone could possibly say that that would drop him from the most likely wolf in my eyes because of this.

That being said, I'd really like for you (not just ara, but everyone) to understand that I'm so sure of this that I'm willing the attack the afk person over it, knowing full well that that's the most sus thing to do, and if you think *I* didn't think of that and just did the most blind play ever, then I'm just going to take the L and stop fighting.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

sven level with me
how likely are we to end up voting for the same person here

like if I vote lar, leetic or ara because haku died of hypothermia or whatever

I'm not going to end EOD on haku alone obviously. I'm going to try to vote someone else if it comes to that. I think we're making a stupid mistake, but we can always nail the other one

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

well, leetic has ruined any chance I have at saving the game while sleeping

realistically, I think the wagon is most likely to develop onto me next, and that sucks and town might be so desperate as to not be able to really withstand it

Well... I was going to move back to you, then saw I was already voting you, oops!! Non-zero chance I could just be pocketed by Hate here, but I'm starting to lean more into the idea that their conviction here is just real, even if I still have significant issues with their logic!!



Consider my vote on you more solid then, in that case!!!

[the sun fan]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

I'm not going to end EOD on haku alone obviously. I'm going to try to vote someone else if it comes to that. I think we're making a stupid mistake, but we can always nail the other one

ok yes but maybe I should've asked differnetly
how likely is it that you move onto me instead

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

I'm currently voting you in spirit, but my secondary choice would be sunfan; would you compromise there?



...Might consider moving sunfan up to my first choice, you being so adamant about this read is starting to veer into TWTBAW territory!!!

Yeah I'd be willing to do sunfan... My read on him is not that strong, but it's the best I have, with or without haku implication

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

I'm just gonna try speedrunning not w/w interactions
I'll try to pay attention in real time too
I'm a little desperate to find something worth pursuing

Yes, I'd love to see what you come up with!!!!


Went through them a bit earlier but hit a bit of a wall, would be very hype to see how it goes for you!!!

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by Arapocalypse

Well... I was going to move back to you, then saw I was already voting you, oops!! Non-zero chance I could just be pocketed by Hate here, but I'm starting to lean more into the idea that their conviction here is just real, even if I still have significant issues with their logic!!


Consider my vote on you more solid then, in that case!!!

Also I want to express gratitude that you at least have faith in my conviction instead of shunning me because "lulz haku isn't even here what are you even" or "wtf we all townread haku and ur sus as fuck who cares about the lack of vote". It's been a very emotional eod for me with nobody seeing my point, so I can relax a little and breathe instead of being so frustrated.

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

ok yes but maybe I should've asked differnetly
how likely is it that you move onto me instead

eh pretty high tbh. If you're being wagon'd and haku isn't an option then I'm probably settling on you. You're on the same situation I am with haku with leetic, and mml well non even thinking about the fact that he's not here, I'd still feel better solving you I guess

[the sun fan]

alright I feel that town is desperate enough to where we need this
I am the Freikugel, I shot raeko last night
I can explain why I did it if people want; the tl;dr is not much different from the long version, but I was literally scumreading her ever since she was 5 posts in; her first interaction with roundbox was roundbox highlighting exactly what my problems with her posting were, and they never got better

I consider myself to be a good raeko reader, better than almost anyone, and I literally never once considered that she might be town, like it was as solid a scumread as I ever get from the first day and it included stuff that I had from before I had even told freezin that I could be a sub

I was stunned when she flipped town, truly

it hurt to reread her posts because I know she was just really happy to be playing again; she was probably the most hyped person to see werewolf actually start up on ffr

sorry raeko, I'm just old and washed

the shot count is one, thankfully, so I can shoot tonight and maybe something good will happen

anyways
get offa me

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

That being said, I'd really like for you (not just ara, but everyone) to understand that I'm so sure of this that I'm willing the attack the afk person over it, knowing full well that that's the most sus thing to do, and if you think *I* didn't think of that and just did the most blind play ever, then I'm just going to take the L and stop fighting.

Not getting into the rest because I said I'd drop it, but yeah I am starting to realize that; large part of why I'm contemplating a world where you're town, at the moment!!!!


(Unfortunately I'm once again running out of teambuilding options, with that... also means I'd have to be wrong elsewhere as well!!)

[the sun fan]

the bullet count is one*
even if roundbox used his ability last phase, which I assume he didn't but w/e, then the count is two and we're still safe

[leetic]

Unvote

[Hateandhatred]

Well I'm no longer wagoning sunfan unless someone counterclaims.

[the sun fan]

I am still struggling with where to go

[the sun fan]

my time could be better spent than making this post but
just know that I am not happy with my play this game, especially seeing raeko's town flip

yall do deserve better
my current life might not line up well with mafia, things are a bit unpredictable at times

[leetic]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

the bullet count is one*
even if roundbox used his ability last phase, which I assume he didn't but w/e, then the count is two and we're still safe

The ability wouldn't have done anything anyway so it's safe to assume he didn't use it

[Hateandhatred]

Originally Posted by the sun fan

alright I feel that town is desperate enough to where we need this
I am the Freikugel, I shot raeko last night
I can explain why I did it if people want; the tl;dr is not much different from the long version, but I was literally scumreading her ever since she was 5 posts in; her first interaction with roundbox was roundbox highlighting exactly what my problems with her posting were, and they never got better

I consider myself to be a good raeko reader, better than almost anyone, and I literally never once considered that she might be town, like it was as solid a scumread as I ever get from the first day and it included stuff that I had from before I had even told freezin that I could be a sub

I was stunned when she flipped town, truly

it hurt to reread her posts because I know she was just really happy to be playing again; she was probably the most hyped person to see werewolf actually start up on ffr

sorry raeko, I'm just old and washed

the shot count is one, thankfully, so I can shoot tonight and maybe something good will happen

anyways
get offa me

Well, does anyone benefit from shooting roundbox then? This is pretty good stuff

[Arapocalypse]

Originally Posted by Hateandhatred

Also I want to express gratitude that you at least have faith in my conviction instead of shunning me because "lulz haku isn't even here what are you even" or "wtf we all townread haku and ur sus as fuck who cares about the lack of vote". It's been a very emotional eod for me with nobody seeing my point, so I can relax a little and breathe instead of being so frustrated.

Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't still want you to have a good time; it's more fun to play with people who want to be here and are still enjoying themselves, after all!!



I do appreciate the effort you've put in, regardless of alignment!!!