TWG Turbo II Game Thread

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

You do bring up good points. Granted, the part about me being a wolf is wrong so it's hard for me to really critique the things as a whole when I can see what view your coming from (from both ymia and i together). Like what's really upsetting is how ymia literally didn't say anything to your post.

And it really sucks that ymia left for rest of day now supposedly so lol

I dont know how I wanna read that yet.

I have a big post almost ready for you to respond to, I think it'll be important if I get offed during the night, assuming we actually lynch correctly today

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Charu

I shouldn't, but I'm going to assume it's because he's doing holiday stuff.

Also... which post, you mean the huge one? Pretty sure you got him to react to it unless he wasn't responding at all to it.

I mean the huge one, I went back and looked twice, he didn't say anything in response to it, not even laughing in my face or anything

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

I have a big post almost ready for you to respond to, I think it'll be important if I get offed during the night, assuming we actually lynch correctly today

im here go for it

[Xiz]

nvm working on stepmania bg's so afk for a bit lol

[AragakiAyase]

here's xiz analysis

Originally Posted by Xiz

Arnt is a wolf btw

first serious post (you'll probably say it wasn't but w/e), usually these are surprisingly on target, being wrong doesn't mean you're scum though

Originally Posted by Xiz

cold is town

this was a good mindmeld with what I had, but if you're a wolf like I'm leaning towards then it doesn't matter

Originally Posted by Xiz

so im going to resend my cop claim

I forgot what playing with zenith and redblaster together is like

don't like this post because he makes a bunch of posts about hardclaiming cop and then casually rescinds once something serious happens

that doesn't help the situation

Originally Posted by Xiz

ymia is off the table forever
cold is super town
Funny is super town

Not touching zenith or red today, but there is a wolf between them confirmed

here we are again, I'm going to focus on how he said ymia is off the table forever though. if they are partners it would be very convenient to say this, with ymia having a strong indescribable gut read on xiz, and xiz having ymia as off the table forever.

because...

Originally Posted by Xiz

Explanation of my reads:

Ymia's reactions seem real, I like his thought process so far
Cold is leading the game, and actually doing shit
funnygurl is really easy to read as a wolf. She's not one this game from what i've seen so far.

this is legit, liking his thought process/reactions is fine. but let's see if you actually develop this read, shall we?

Originally Posted by Xiz

actually wait no
im taking back my read on red and zenith
something isnt adding up yet because wtf

takes back his read on red/zenith 100% having one wolf between them

Originally Posted by Xiz

It's like, a super strong gut read on him.

OH LOOK

he's townreading ymia because of a super strong gut read

alright

Originally Posted by Xiz

arnt

missed this post but he early votes arnt here, like 4 hours in

Originally Posted by Xiz

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't like arnt's position at the start of the game (hence my vote) and I have I think a too big town pile right now, but those two seem to fit well.

Funny has moved down my list, if its not arnt imo i'll be looking at funny and aa

uses that as justification for voting him, what was said position? iirc he hadn't really done anything which wasn't a good look for him, but he didn't really have a position. And why did funny move down? I brought up earlier that she hadn't done anything in between this post and the one where you strong townread her. unless I missed it, in which case quote it for me please.

actually comign back to this you say later it was hypothetical if arnt flipped town, but what had funny done to make this situation make her worth looking at?

Originally Posted by Xiz

If zenith is town, then I'll be looking at aa and funny.


AA because hes been kinda neutral to me
funny ill start to reconsider only if zenith flips green.

I dont see ymia and cold as wolves, ever here. Also im liking charu a lot more now.

so, has something changed that's making you not reconsidering zenith? also I like how what's driving your ymia read is nothing but gut pretty much yet you're never ly nching him ever.

I don't actually like it

Originally Posted by Xiz

Can you not post stuff like this

like

how do you know hes town


are you really that sure

this just reads fake to me, it's like xiz is baiting charu

Originally Posted by Xiz

actually wait

charu i think i might see your point

switches his stance here to potential agreement with charu, let'ssee if anything comes of it

nothing actually comes of it.

Originally Posted by Xiz

charu would bus zenith here, i dont see them paired imo.

and look, xiz says what I said, that charu would bus zenith here if they were wolves. zenith isn't a wolf but I'm pretty sure xiz said some more stuff about that before zenith's flip the next day, we'll get to that.

end of day 0, but let's note something: xiz kept saying he was going to vote zenith but he never moved his vote from arnt. if we were doing follow the vote here, xiz voted arnt 4 hours into the phase and never moved it, and he was a mislynch. he never gave reasons for it either aside from "I don't like his position"



let's continue

Originally Posted by Xiz

I can't remember, but what did AA think of funny d1?




Errr... in what way? Like do you mean today?

Still catching up with the thread but so far:

Ymia town (no change) yet
Cold lock clear (no change)
funny town (no change) yet



She didn't. It was speaking in the situation of "IF"

you say funny moved down "IF" arnt flipped town, but that's not what this post says

Originally Posted by Xiz

I was thinking the same thing. I didn't like arnt's position at the start of the game (hence my vote) and I have I think a too big town pile right now, but those two seem to fit well.

Funny has moved down my list, if its not arnt imo i'll be looking at funny and aa

Originally Posted by Xiz

No she wasn't? If im not mistaken she had her own reads like aa and i think she liked me?

she voted me, yes, she didn't like you

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i'd also be fine with looking at aa xiz or charu

leaning aa or xiz

Originally Posted by Xiz

I like the vote but I don't like the reason. Will explain later, still reading.

let's see where this goes in his big post, I don't remember at the moment

Originally Posted by Xiz

So, about charu:

Without better words to explain it, Charu is doing a good job at being town, but that doesn't mean he is town.


During the whole D1 lovefest, when red blaster outed, somewhere later charu stated that he is 100% sure Red blaster is not the cop. I believe charu would know better that red blaster WOULD fall for zeniths shitpost claim, which is why I believe charu attempted to do a soft(?) to attempt to take a bullet to keep town going.

HOWEVER

This could be used the same way, proving he is actually scum. Charu is someone who when red and zenith were fighting could squeeze in that soft to use this soft as a trump card later proving he is town, attempting to take a bullet for redblaster.


Now, this post:


We are not forced to do this. But that doesn't mean i'm against a zenith lynch because I still absolutely am. I hate how you keep saying he is town, with you adding words like probably or might at the end because it's not a good mentality to be in as town at all. Also, if charu is a wolf here, this would be the optimal stance for charu to be in, considering charu's D1 stance on zenith.



In response to AA:



I see your point on being confident about charu, but I don't see charu exploring all options yet.

The bolded sentence is a terrible, terrible sentence to have you say imo. To me its more of:
if charu AND zenith are wolves = safe bussing, with the possibility to hop last minute
if charu is only a wolf = showing zenith mercy is what I have seen charu do in previous games
if charu is town and zenith wolf = Cool
if charu and zenith are town = im very wrong this game


And for funnygurl:



I went more into depth on this, and I take back what I said about not liking the read. Funny just didn't explain it I think? Unless im wrong?

here's the big post.

first point: I agree that charu would know better that red blaster would be baited by zenith, but you're missing/ignoring an important possibility: that knowing this, charu decided to assert himself to try and take the bullet for red blaster. as town.

second point: I think we were, because people will keep reusing that argument against zenith, that he got our cop killed (which he did) and if it gets brought up in a later day phase like today, the mislynch ends the game pretty much

third point: you said towards the EOD0 that you thought charu would bus there, which I agree with. Yet you say he's "safe bussing"? he might have been "safe bussing" second day in the sense that he says we have to lynch zenith even though he thinks he's town, but I was referring to the events of the first day in the post that you quoted, not the second day. where he wasn't safe bussing, he was advocating to let the night actions resolve zenith. you also say you don't see him exploring all options, are there any major options that you think he skipped over at the time?

Originally Posted by Xiz

Simply put, it's how I read it. No you were not in my face about it, it's how I interpreted it reading back.

Sure, I can elaborate.

If its zenith + charu wolves, then I can see you bussing your partner to oblivion then being set until something like final 3, saying you were leading town to kill zenith.
If its charu as a wolf and zenith is town, then killing him is literally taking the momentum of d1 and continuing on the misslynch streak.

I'm exploring the world because of your play this game charu.

this is a good post, but given that you were fully supportive of the zenith lynch does this make you more sympathetic to charu's viewpoint at the time?


again, a tldr:

xiz places a vote on arnt 4 hours into the phase for not liking his position. what position? what didn't you like about it? why did you keep saying you'd vote for zenith but you never moved it and I ended up instaing? (actually might have been because it could have caused insta, but if that's the case, why didn't you at least unvote?) you seemed supportive of the zenith lynch but you parked on arnt.

his second day activity doesn't look quite as ugly to me, but he's poeing me (I think? not sure), and he hasn't gone more indepth into funny yet, which I'm also guilty of and will do right now

[AragakiAyase]

didn't go over the most recent posts because I feel I've touched upon them already, there wasn't much from you that stood out the second day.

[AragakiAyase]

oh so my conclusion to the big post was

xiz leaning scum, not nearly as strong as ymia but I don't like how his read of ymia essentially mirrors ymia's read on him, and parking his vote on arnt without a strong reason.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

first serious post (you'll probably say it wasn't but w/e), usually these are surprisingly on target.

It was serious

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

don't like this post because he makes a bunch of posts about hardclaiming cop and then casually rescinds once something serious happens

Already responded to this. There were something like 3 or 4 cop claims some stronger then others or something during that time. If I was a wolf, like I said before, I would have gone hard in and used it to my advantage later proving how town I am by rescinding the next day or something.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

uses that as justification for voting him, what was said position? iirc he hadn't really done anything which wasn't a good look for him, but he didn't really have a position. And why did funny move down? I brought up earlier that she hadn't done anything in between this post and the one where you strong townread her. unless I missed it, in which case quote it for me please.

actually comign back to this you say later it was hypothetical if arnt flipped town, but what had funny done to make this situation make her worth looking at?

Read the posts around this, specifically after this post. I don't feel like quoting. It's around 2 pages of this post. I stated IF arnt flips town, then I will look at funny due to how many town I had during that time.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

so, has something changed that's making you not reconsidering zenith? also I like how what's driving your ymia read is nothing but gut pretty much yet you're never ly nching him ever.

I can't remember, I think I was looking at pairings, between you and funny but I don't think I got a lot out of it.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this just reads fake to me, it's like xiz is baiting charu

switches his stance here to potential agreement with charu, let'ssee if anything comes of it

nothing actually comes of it.

You missed the post where I said "thats all I want to say about that" to charu
I stopped talking about my thoughts on that situations for hoping the wolves would miss the cop.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

and look, xiz says what I said, that charu would bus zenith here if they were wolves.

Fuck. You. Ethan.

I posted that BEFORE you did. This post made you so fucking wolfy to me now holy shit. Stop trying to twist my wording, AGAIN.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you say funny moved down "IF" arnt flipped town, but that's not what this post says

Twisting my words again

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

first point: I agree that charu would know better that red blaster would be baited by zenith, but you're missing/ignoring an important possibility: that knowing this, charu decided to assert himself to try and take the bullet for red blaster. as town.

Fair point. I disagree.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

third point: you said towards the EOD0 that you thought charu would bus there, which I agree with. Yet you say he's "safe bussing"? he might have been "safe bussing" second day in the sense that he says we have to lynch zenith even though he thinks he's town, but I was referring to the events of the first day in the post that you quoted, not the second day. where he wasn't safe bussing, he was advocating to let the night actions resolve zenith. you also say you don't see him exploring all options, are there any major options that you think he skipped over at the time?

??? Th

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

this is a good post, but given that you were fully supportive of the zenith lynch does this make you more sympathetic to charu's viewpoint at the time?

Charu wasn't considering other options more. He was considering, but not the point of where he was willing to lynch outside.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

xiz places a vote on arnt 4 hours into the phase for not liking his position. what position? what didn't you like about it? why did you keep saying you'd vote for zenith but you never moved it and I ended up instaing? (actually might have been because it could have caused insta, but if that's the case, why didn't you at least unvote?) you seemed supportive of the zenith lynch but you parked on arnt.

Early gut read, like you said in the very first post. I didn't unvote because I saw the perspectives of (i think) cold kitten and I hated arnt's day 1. I was supportive. There are posts where I say I want to swap to zenith. But remember:

You hammered before I could swap

Don't use that shit logic with me

[Xiz]

*??? The fuck does this mean?

I didn't finish that thought apparently

[Xiz]

I'm looking at

AA/Ymia
AA/Charu now


Ethan unless you literally do a massive post explaining charu and funnygurl also, showing how THEY could be wolves, I think you will be my lynch for today.

[AragakiAyase]

here's funnygurl, wont' be making any more big posts today because frankly I'm out of gas in that respect

absolutely think we should kill ymia, it'll be interesting to see who's willing to vote him given that everyone agreed with my post wolfreading him

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i'm not sold on ck being town either she's been good but i don't think what she did warranted multiple town reads sorry
ymia's chill 'cause what he did was p productive even though i hope he's not serious

first real post, she doesn't jump on the CK town bandwagon which I see as coming from two possibilities. 1: a wolf who doesn't want to basically help "lock clear" a town, or 2: a town who doesn't feel comfortable with how easily everyone is reading her town and feels that she didn't do anything special. I'm leaning towards the second.

the second point I pushed her on but she thought ymia was making a valid attempt even though him being serious would be wrong cause he was scumreading her.

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i don't see where she's hunting wolves. she was just defending zenith because she didn't agree with ymia's read
like there's nothing wrong with that but ck could do that as a wolf too



i hope he's not serious obv because then he's at least 1/2 wrong. but you don't have to be right to do something good for the game. like you can hunt in the wrong places but still be hunting with a townie mindset.

response as I mentioned, expansion on both points. good

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

heh i meant like he got the thread out of shitposting. it was a different kind of productive

you're not a wolf to me though ck but don't you think it's a little weird that people are already like, "oh she's town."

more expansion on ymia being productive

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

oh yeaaaaaahhhhhh. i just noticed ymia because he was the first one to say he was suspicious of anyone and got zenith to be defensive and stuff

you'd be p town to me then, but no one else brought that up though when calling you town

this is a little interesting, seems like she's saying CK would be town to her for her productivity if other people had incorporated it into her reads? or is she saying that that makes CK more town to her, but it's weird that no one else mentioned that? please clarify

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i don't have reads no one else has really done anything except for zenith, but i don't really have an opinion on zenith either. idk maybe aa or xiz might be a good way to go. i'm used to aa doing more in the thread but it's a little too early to call. xiz was just weird

so as I said earlier, I was napping and I think I ended up doing plenty and have been, where do you stand now on me and xiz? actually where do you stand on everyone?

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i don't get the mechanics of this setup too lol

so we can assume that the cop got a d0 check or no?

hate dumbtells, ignoring

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

to be fair i don't like the fact that we're linked either

reaction to supposedly being linked with zenith, I don't actually remember there being a link aside from what ymia threw out, but I think this is a towny reaction, disliking being linked to a scummy player for not having done anything

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

do you think wolf zenith would really do this rb
if you do and think he's a wolf I'll vote for him

here she says she's willing to sheep rb, I question her on it and she says

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

in the case that rb's serious, if he were so confident in his read on zenith that he outed himself then i'd be down to sheep why not

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

aa

votes me here, I think her read on me was weak but not unwarranted because I hadn't said a ton at that point

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

if we have to go between zenith and arnt i'm gonna go zenith because he fake claimed js guys

says she'll vote zenith, nothing wrong with that, she also followed through

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

so would you guys not be ok with me switching my vote to zenith i see stuff in this thread saying zenith is a bad idea

but arnt just looks lost to me rn and i'd rather not vote for him

wagons ended up both being town but this seems genuine to me, especially the second half

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

would you maybe be down with voting xiz or charu or are you 100% zenith

mindmeld here with willingness to vote xiz, not charu though

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

if we strike town here then it's lylo. is the zenith lynch set in stone
i think if we don't hit a wolf then we're basically done so id rather not just lynch someone because it's mechanically correct

charu now that I think about it it's weird that youre not convinced he's a wolf but want to kill him anyway

gets spooked by the same thing that xiz has been calling charu out on

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

im not convinced that he is one. kinda losing confidence in it now

im not convinced that he's town either it's just that this is too easy and twg isn't this easy

wavering here, I think wolf would be more likely to just make a decision

also realized I didn't point out what reminded me of that storn lynch where fg was town, but her not wanting to lynch arnt, being willing to lynch zenith, then also being willing to look at other options was what it was

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

i like xiz more now because he doesn't like charu too

likes xiz for similar reads, natural reaciton I think


fg hasn't done much besides this, most of my townread stems from the not fixating on a particular lynch but I also feel her reactions have been genuine

hasn't done anything particular scummy, I Haven't seen any major flip-flops or sudden shifts with a lack of progression, not on the table today for sure

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

here's funnygurl, wont' be making any more big posts today because frankly I'm out of gas in that respect

Yes you will. One more for charu.

Especially when I believe that is a very likely pairing.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

I'm looking at

AA/Ymia
AA/Charu now


Ethan unless you literally do a massive post explaining charu and funnygurl also, showing how THEY could be wolves, I think you will be my lynch for today.

lmfao nice flip onto me, what happened to ymia?

go for me I don't really care, made a post about funnygurl, there were some odd things but I think they lined up, odn't have the energy to do charu

also roundbox said that one time that when I was a wolf in the freeze wars I said something akin to "roundbox is you don't do xyz I'll just HAVE to lynch you today"

that's what you're doing now

if my post was wrong which I'll be looking at your responses shortly, then I'm wrong and maybe you're town

but you suddenly turning on me just because I'm scumreading you (incorrectly, supposedly)? and saying that unless I produce EVEN MORE and basically not rule out any options for today, you'll lynch me? that's not town behavior at all

you're not asking me to look at other options, you're demanding that I do and threatening me with a mislynch if I don't

[Xiz]

Literally posting massive posts about 3/4 players is irrelevant when you ignore the 4th.

Like the fact that you don't want to post a big one about charu shows how you two might be wolves together

[AragakiAyase]

more confident that it's xiz/ymia, goign to look at xiz's response to my pos tnow

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Literally posting massive posts about 3/4 players is irrelevant when you ignore the 4th.

Like the fact that you don't want to post a big one about charu shows how you two might be wolves together

oh, so massive posts about players is irrelevant if it doesn't go through all of them? ok

so my massive post basically invalidated my post about ymia

that's cute mr. wolf

[Xiz]

im ignoring all of your posts AA until you either respond to each of my posts in that big posts like i did with you


or


you post a big post about charu

[Xiz]

I just realized if ymia is town it's fucking impossible for us to win, since he wont be here at eod most likely

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

im ignoring all of your posts AA until you either respond to each of my posts in that big posts like i did with you


or


you post a big post about charu

I'm working on it lol

I just like how you immediately swap me from "definitely showing your towny side" to absolute wolf in both worlds. I didn't even say you were a wolf for sure, my final conclusion was that I was scumleaning you and that there were a lot of points I wanted answered. how does that warrant that reaction, if you're town?

[Xiz]

keep reading my post ethan. You will see why.