TWG Turbo II Game Thread

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

to me it seems like [funnygurl] was coasting with popular opinion, some of it looks fabricated to me (her opinions on who she should vote for).

No she wasn't? If im not mistaken she had her own reads like aa and i think she liked me?

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten

is that your only reasoning. it's shaky at best

Pretty much my only physical reasoning, yeah.

My other reasoning is just how... well... inactive right now he is. I've seen him in this thread plenty of times, but he hasn't really posted today.

Minus the obligated work stuff, of course. But he was here, ready to go, almost 6 hours ago.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten

major fg dumbtell, AA. if you're slightly more ok with ymia at this point because of dumbtells, well then you should be slightly more ok with fg too.

I can't remember, but what did AA think of funny d1?

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten

how have these reads changed?

Errr... in what way? Like do you mean today?

Still catching up with the thread but so far:

Ymia town (no change) yet
Cold lock clear (no change)
funny town (no change) yet

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten

why had funny moved down your list.

She didn't. It was speaking in the situation of "IF"

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Funnygurl555

if we strike town here then it's lylo. is the zenith lynch set in stone
i think if we don't hit a wolf then we're basically done so id rather not just lynch someone because it's mechanically correct

charu now that I think about it it's weird that youre not convinced he's a wolf but want to kill him anyway

I like the vote but I don't like the reason. Will explain later, still reading.

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Charu

Might as well stomach another myslynch (in my mind) to get rid of that data point.

I hate this with a burning passion. If you haven't guessed yet im going to be making a big post about charu

[AragakiAyase]

I can't find it, who was on the arnt and zenith wagons

[yo man im awesome]

I'm here

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by _Zenith_

I still believe there's a possibility Xiz would flip wolf because he refused to state a peek after "hard-claiming cop" and being asked to do so and I would be led to believe a VT following a hypo would do the opposite of what he did. Wasn't his defense just as flimsy as the suspicion thrown at him at that time?

Why are you convinced that I needed to state a fake claim? If you believe that I need to play by your rules, you are mistaken.

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Holy role claims hello

Is this just a turbo thing or has the FFR meta evolved so far in my absence that people just claim all their pr's day 1 LOL

not super relevant, but interesting to note that ymia's first post as a wolf is one of confusion about mechanics/role claiming which is the attitude zenith feigned (and which I still think was fake) about the whole thing

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Not gonna lie I'm totally at a loss with this CC shit rn, but Red Blaster I'm gonna go on some prior game meta from what I remember, and that's that I think the vibes you're getting are from AA's tone, but I'm pretty sure that's his tone usually?? Completely reasonable point with the EOD stuff though.

Also, I don't really want to vote AA today cause like, again, CC's. Idk whether to believe Roundbox, Charu or AA's claims rn and I don't think we should kill any of them today, and wait for the nightkill choice for potential info on them. More importantly I think we need to watch the interactions between each claimer and their seer-target. Also the order of their claims is pretty interesting (Charu->Roundbox->AA->disregarding anyone else's at this point).

*A note that Charu/Roundbox/Red Blaster are currently spearheading conversation. Someone has to at the beginning of course, but pay attention to them nonetheless

I don't think I've even seen DBP check the thread yet so I'm not going to comment on him.

Storn like, dropped two votes, meme'd and left. what the fukc come back and play

lurker has basically meme'd and done nothing else. To me they look like intentional space-filler low-content posts.

Makilaz is acting awfully innocent

Red Blaster's cool +1

Charu's okay for now cause we need conversation but, like RB I'm getting some questionable vibes. Def not a D0 if you ask me.

I think that's everybody :^)

his 4th post is a reads list out of nowhere pretty much where he votes lurker early for somewhat of a flimsy reason


next posts are some more shitposts and "confusion" about mechanics

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

^^ Like in a guilt-trippy kind of sense.

So yea rn Makilaz and Lurker are my spooky2. Makilaz definitely more sus but i want more input from lurker

this was pointed out in that game but makilaz suddenly moved up as more wolfy than lurker, but she didn't make any posts in between except this one

Originally Posted by Makilaz

my vt game tends to be me faffing about the first couple phases and then getting mislynched because i'm actually pretty terrible at this game

which ended up being true and wasn't that suspicious, just an attempt at self-meta but not one used to defend herself

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Helo I'm back, paid a visit to my high school's orchestra concert

Still reading and stuff but some of my thoughts for lurker: When I first planted that vote it was mostly just weird vibes, idk to me his shitposting just seemed sort of calculated vs being real shitposting, idk how to word that differently. Once he started reacting I just kept going to see how far he'd go + triggering lurker was oddly entertaining

I don't think I want to lynch lurker tonight either for Post 149 and 179, but I wanna read his posting some more and take a look at his phrasings/tone.

Makilaz speak up my dude, you do plan on playing this game right? Or are you just gonna faff into obscurity and try to play that off as your standard???

Ftr lurker this post was me trying to get across that it was super wolfy and that I was gonna watch/judge his play because of that, it was poorly worded. I definitely wasn't sheeping storn if I had that mentality prior to him saying anything.

this is his next serious post, where he justifies his voting for lurker early, backs off on him, but simultaneously leaves him up as a potential lynch candidate.

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

My initial big post is still pretty relevant to my thoughts. Only things that really change are that Lurker is fine (not good, fine) for now, storn being marginally greener with his current posts, and AA I'm null on. AA like, has good analysis of stuff, but now I'm getting more vibes from AA from his shorter posts

"only time will tell" idk this sounds hella scummy to me like he knows what tf is going on

Oh also I think you hadn't posted yet when I did DBP but I have you green gj +1

DBP asks him if his reads have changed, they haven't really although he moves some people around. one thing to note is that he had his partner (me) at null/leaning scum for most of the game

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

If you're going to argue their survival based on their lack of activity, would you rather we kill an active player and let an inactive one potentially shit around and continue to do nothing later? They're clearly active enough to be playing and not replaced, but they're also really not contributing. Although arguably storn's last couple all of a sudden are painting him more red.

soft advocates for an inactive lynch

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Did she give the exact same "hi i'm VT and die early every game pls don't vote me" schpeel too? Because if she's a wolf, then she has a good... alibi I guess is the word. If she's a human, she's doing a disservice to the game by intentionally not changing her game or the game, and basically is just making things arbitrarily harder. I understand the concept of "pls don't let me die early AGAIN" but frankly like I said earlier, it sets up a guilt-trip scenario that's lose-lose, regardless of her role.

Personally I think she's doing this as scum, but either way I think this or storn now are idealistic d0 lynches today.

pushes harder for the "inactive" lynches, pushes on makilaz for her self-meta argument. I thought there was an inconsistency here but there isn't, the way he throws out storn twice between these two posts though without ever saying why is gross

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Oh cool I did the nihilism approach once too

That's a sick OMGUS, but would you like to actually back up the claim that I'm jumping on a bandwagon?

he pushes more on makilaz, admittedly I don't think it would have been out of line as a town

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I was going off what someone said earlier in the thread when we were talking about your claim, either they themselves were wrong or I misread them, that's my mistake.

Nonetheless that doesn't excuse the play. Also what constitutes playing "exactly the same way as last game" when you apparently didn't use this play?

the push continues, but there's not actually much of a case here... It boils down to makilaz bringing up that she's playing the exact same way as last game where she was town. so he's basically pushing her for self-meta, but instead of prodding her to see where her thought process is he keeps pushing scum on her for just the self-meta

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

oh come on what the fuck

Charu I'm going to go on your word for this one Storn

I doooo noot like storn's posting right now

he acts like he's trusting charu here, but that doesn't line up with how he pushed on storn earlier and said he didn't like him

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

We've got 30 minutes

To me lynch is either RedBlaster (??? I guess if everyone is just gut reading him whatever i don't agree but it's d0) or Storn (my pick)

here he says he's against the red blaster lynch, but says he'll go with it because it's d0. idk about most people but I won't go with a lynch if I don't agree with it at least somewhat (and before anyone tries, I didn't like the zenith/arnt lynch choice yesterday but I had scummy enough reads on them that I would've accepted one of them being lynched)

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Frankly storn clearly doesn't plan on contributing relevant information and I think he's gotta go. I still think he's legit scum, but he's a good choice nonetheless

pushes further on storn, there wasn't actually a progression from makilaz to storn, he just randomly backed off of makilaz without saying anything

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Doesn't this also make it possible for the wolves to theoretically intentionally not kill the cop n0? I mean it sounds retarded but it would be one hell of a strategy to lock clear a wolf

I've noticed that often wolves will throw out these major "what if" scenarios, they generally aren't worth considering because they're so ridiculous but it gives wolves the freedom to keep their options open and say "well I said it could be this way that's why I'm voting them"


not much happens until here

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

To clear this up:



Tbh that null read is now Green to me on AA. He's making plays now and I believe him/ those vibes are gone.

shifts me to green, the reasoning is nothing tangible


not much else worth going over here

tldr: his pushes on people never had strong reasoning behind it, he did a good job of making up reads and seeming natural for the most part, but most of his pushes centered around things like self-meta and "scummy posts" without much else. and his scumreads moved around a lot without any natural progression

now let's go through this game

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Artonach claimed red seering on Zenith, and then you can see Zenith calling out funnygirl as being wolfing, D0 distancing during shitposting, soft and subtle, but tough enough to be present and worth mentioning.

my reads aside, this just seems like a bit of a stretch to me. factoring in that I think fg is likely town, arnt has flipped town, and zenith is probably wolf, this is nonsense

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Artonach has no reason to claim Zenith as red if he isn't cop currently. Reaction testing is not a good answer in a turbo game imo

dumbtell BUT I'm ignoring it especially since he played dumb last turbo and was a wolf

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I was shitposting too, don't get me wrong I love my fair share of shitposting, but D0 I'm also looking to see if anybody's gives off the vibe that their shitposting feels forced for whatever reason, idk how to describe it

this is a good thing to do but I don't think it's hard to fake, it's easy to just say "oh this shitposting feels forced and here's why x y z"

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Yours used Caps lock and extra exclamation points, to me being telling factors of sarcasm and joking, whereas his had zero punctuation, which can of course mean many things, but to me leads more towards an air of not-so-joking as opposed to genuine sarcasm. Like he knew exactly what he was doing.

this just seems like he's reading into things way too hard or is fake in an attempt to push on zenith

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

My green check, ironically, was AA

I still think that there being a wolf in the 3 who green checked me is more likely than not, given that I'm all but ruling charu out this leans me more wolf for ymia

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Having 3 checks on AA puts the wolves in a very interesting position now that I think about it

so with the cop dead, where do you have me at now?

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Im on my phone and didn't instantly find post can someone quote it please

Also xiz pls enter thread and dissuade people from voting you, i dont think your inactivity is wolfy but i cant help you if you dont participate

this post is interesting, he wants to defend xiz on account of him not thinking the inactivity is wolfing, but it doesn't seem like there's any reason besides not thinking that he's wolfy, it's not like he's townreading xiz at this point. Wanting to defend other people is usually not a wolf mindset unless they're your partner, and even then it depends on playstyle. feels weird though, given that xiz is in my PoE pile I'm not going to lean this either way yet

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

To be completely honest i dont buy the cop claim, but i cant really challenge it either and thats why im angry

I don't like this post given that you supposedly "green checked" me and just back off all of a sudden, you also just say that you don't buy the cop claim and don't say anything about respective alignments, why you think someone could be doing something, etc. it's just a minimal comment

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

If you want to lynch me go find some damning evidence will you? I'm not going to acknowledge you beating around the bush.

this was in response to charu clearly messing around, given that ymia's reaction feels strong. could be he doesn't know how charu plays yet but given that he was in the last turbo I'm not going to buy that

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Right, so anyway
I am also inclined to believe RB bc it would be pretty fucking dumb of him to do otherwise, also like i said i dont think theyre both wolves, and I dont buy zenith's claim to begin with.

here he finally comments on RB vs zenith, seems like he's leaning zenith more wolfy? it's not clear

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Im very tempted to vote Zenith on this post. The way he keeps bring up the check check is really bothering me

progress to wanting to vote zenith, doesn't though

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

My lynching plate sits at Zenith FG and Artonach

Least so FG because we really don't have enough to work with for her, my initial suspicion of her was based off of association and hardly anything she did herself.

Artonach has done nothing, entered the thread, and done nothing, but I very much believe he knows that he's producing little quality content.

Zenith should be clear at this point, I buy his cop claim the least, he has since rescinded his claim, and has now dropped off of the earth leaving us with essentially "I don't really care guys" which to me screams wolf or town who is not going to be any help later.

at this point I'm having trouble focusing lol

it's interesting that he only says who he wants to lynch and says nothing about those not on the list

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Correct. Personally I believe it would be silly to involve Zenith further in the cop discussion (which shouldn't be existent already but whatever), and instead involve him in the wolfhunt discussion. I think lynching Zenith provides a good base for us, because if he flips red, great! If not, to be honest I think he's going to pay far less attention to the game now and would play much more low-key. Watch his tone change just through this phase. From there, we can continue hunting through the associations made through today and from the flip+nightkill

I don't like the tone of this post, it's basically "if we lynch a wolf cool, if he's town then oh well, he's probably gonna go inactive", which he clearly hasn't. if zenith is town then I'd lynch ymia for this

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I'm also finding him scummy, but I don't think he's a good D0, I don't think we'll really get enough from killing him, and, assuming he's red, he's not really inputting anything that's particularly challenging us or skewing our thoughts, so keeping him alive while searching for his potential partner would be fine.

ok, this clearly conflicts with two posts above where you said you'd be ok with lynching arnt today

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I initially paired him with FG for early distancing, but I hadn't really judged FG herself at all, and at the moment I've moved on from her.

Right now I'm thinking Zenith/Artonach

I don't think they have interacted with each other at all in the thread. And seeing Zenith fucking up like this might have Artonach scared to also put himself out into the thread I think.

would be pretty cool if two of your lynch candidates happened to be the wolves

oh wait arnt flipped town

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Interesting note that Cold Kitten and I have mindmelded really well for basically the entire game

I love it, but making a note for future reference for everyone

CK idk if you'll see this but is this true? it doesn't seem like it for the most part except that he wanted to kill zenith

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

Also Xiz i have an indescribable town gut read on and have since the beginning but i wont to people pressuring him more because all i have is a gut read lol

you want people to pressure him more, why don't you do it yourself? if zenith flips town then probably ymia/xiz lol


ok there's nothing else useful here

[Charu]

Originally Posted by yo man im awesome

I'm here

I bet you are

[AragakiAyase]

ok so my post wasn't as enlightening as I thought

I'm not seeing strong enough similarities between this game and last turbo but I am seeing stuff I don't like, no reason to really townread ymia. I feel like his pushes haven't been great, he's been saying stuff that I don't believe like "me and CK Have been mindmelding this whole time", and he says stuff like "I want xiz to be pressured" but doesn't give any pressure. he's here now so let's see what he has to say

zenith > ymia

[Charu]

Originally Posted by Xiz

I hate this with a burning passion. If you haven't guessed yet im going to be making a big post about charu

Oh, what's the big boy, Xiz, gonna say about the big scary bird?

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

there's almost no way charu is a wolf

I wanna hear more on this. Wait till I post my thing about charu and I wanna see if our thoughts are the same

[Xiz]

Originally Posted by Cold Kitten

i have asked this repeatedly and no one will fucking answer. WHY.

Nvm I realized aa hasn't said shit about him. Ignore my past post I wanna hear it now BEFORE I post.

[Charu]

Er... shouldn't that be the other way around?

[Charu]

Okay, nevermind, you JUsT NINJA'D it

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by Xiz

Nvm I realized aa hasn't said shit about him. Ignore my past post I wanna hear it now BEFORE I post.

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

because I have confidence in my ability to read him

see how he's exploring all options? if zenith is somehow town and charu is wolfing, it's very easy for charu to just let zenith dig his own grave

if they're both wolves, charu would probably bus him

but instead, charu advocates for zenith and tries to get people to consider alternatives

also those really strong mindmelds we've been having

ahem

[Charu]

Wonder what big ol' Xiz is gonna post about me.

Let me guess, is it my bluntness this game?

Or perhaps it's my, spiel about keeping Zenith alive the first day phase?

Or maybe it's how I'm blatantly not driving the game at the moment?

[AragakiAyase]

I don't have time to dig through charu's posts again, I'll see what you have to say but I'm confident

going to go through zenith real quick now

[Charu]

The possibilities are endless!