TWG CXLIII: SK Loses Again Game Thread

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

actually going to go with ymia

don't have the best of reads on RB and given that he's notorious for being mislynched I think he's a riskier d0

Wait, are you not gonna be back later?

/asking just in off chance

[AragakiAyase]

would strongly prefer this over a xel lynch, he's not coming off as strong town because of a good amount of fluff but it doesn't feel wolfy to me at the same time

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Wait, are you not gonna be back later?

/asking just in off chance

have class until 1 hr before eod, I'll be there for the final hour CFD (hopefully not)

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by XelNya

Wait, are you not gonna be back later?

/asking just in off chance

also this makes me lean xel a bit more town, easy town points sure but I don't think a wolf xel would give a shit

[XelNya]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

also this makes me lean xel a bit more town, easy town points sure but I don't think a wolf xel would give a shit

Xel doesn't give a shit naturally.

Give me town points when I finish rzr. I said I'd deliver on three but that's gonna go more to one because I am a dummy dum dum dum and did the biggest one first and it's 5:11 and I have to be up in about 6 hours by the time I finish and I can possibly crank out YMIA before I go to work...

[XelNya]

rzr

... Spoilers ahead. Shit fuckers, why did I do this one first?

Note: if you see a "..." chances are I cut something out to make this post less large.

Originally Posted by Boss Bitch

He acted the same when he subbed I last game as VT. Personally, I don't see Zenith or Yosh giving much to go off, just butting heads. If anything, I'd rather see where Zenith goes with this, though having played as his wolf partner I'm not getting that vibe yet either.
... I thought they were just fucking around

tbh this post is kinda here because it's the first post that talks about the game. Like talkin' about views of yoshl based on last game ect. Doesn't really go either way.

Originally Posted by Boss Bitch

I know, we were melding on that I believe. I'm just offering my 2 cents to this "debacle"

I don't quite see the mind meld here... Feels more like an agreement rather than just shared thought?

Originally Posted by rzr

I refuse to. As a wolf it was easier to maintain, I wanna throw a vote now to spark something and if I were to, it'd be on roundbox. But I told the guys in the livetwg I will forever go out of my way to avoid voting if I can, regardless of my role.

As was mentioned by everyone and even me not voting a bit erradically early on is dumb as hell and the only real reason you'd not do this is because you're just trying to keep yourself from unintentional bussing blunders of any sort.

Or you actually don't understand how useful it is, which I doubt is the case.

I mean AA doesn't tend to vote a shitton randomly, but he doesn't just platonically vote because he just wants them gone then and there.

Originally Posted by rzr

If I recall, the only time I did vote was to save my skin by voting bunny last game. I did state if I were to it'd be geared towards roundbox. And will elaborate if it seems my 2 cents is worth it

More nonsense on voting patterns of rzr. Nothing worth noting but it was pertinant at the time I guess.

Originally Posted by rzr

Personally, I do not like to vote because of the wolf rush, and because it screws with the way I analyze player interactions. Again, this was all stated in the livechat, just getting you guys hip

No that's not true. Maybe the whole "oh scum can voterush" realization is from live but I think your reasoning here is crap.

Originally Posted by rzr

DBP, I would respectfully disagree. Though, in terms of the events so far, if I were to place a vote it would not be viable and I don't want to give anyone the chance to run with my thoughts until I form them properly and address them. True, my only power is my vote. That vote, currently, is moot. And if everyone rushed yosh or Zenith right now, I would not be voting. Don't believe in insta, seems too easy to give the game away

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz it's so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

Originally Posted by rzr

Then perhaps later I will place a vote. Rather than you guys asking me why I don't vote, why don't we address who we would vote for

Perhaps later? No you kinda have to later? How did I miss this the first time?

Slightly deflects with asking who we'd all vote for which is a good direction, but feels a little bit gross here.

Originally Posted by rzr

...Let me clarify here since you guys seem to take beef with that meta, I did say I would only vote if forced. I prefer not to. If we have a wolf pinned I'm not going to ignore it. If, as scum, my partner went down hard, I would not ignore it. But, on general principle I do not like to cast a vote if I don't feel it won't give me info/advantage.

Only if forced wait what? Everything about this statement is gross as fuck.

---Pretty muxch don't like rzr till here as of right now.---

Originally Posted by rzr

And yet, plop, who here has disappeared? Roundbox.
Simply put, I find his tone very strong at game start. It bothers me since he usually seems to watch more at first. And I would tend to say just based on the dicking around between him and yosh, that there is some alignment there between them. So, if I have to bold his name and color it red to get his attention, than it seems I'm not the one not doing my job lol

Finally he starts a little ball rolling on roundbox. It's not even an awful post either. I agree till the part where yoshl's brought into the mix though.

Originally Posted by rzr

yeah, that's why I was about to post it. I actually had his name in bold and was clicking the red color when I remembered my conversation in livechat and I want to be true to what I said.
That said, it's true not much can be found here on d0, especially in a mystery game. I'd prefer to watch than poke at it, but it's just me. I'm not as good as the back-and-forth as others here.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Originally Posted by rzr

I understand, is there any comment on roundbox?

Still camping roundbox.

Originally Posted by rzr

@Zenith & AA:
I think I stated my concerns. Out of the 3 people who I would have flags raised for (yosh, Zenith, roundbox) the most null to me is Yosh. Zenith doesn't seem promising, but where I'm coming from is the beginning of the thread where they seemed to meld on plop. I KNOW THIS WAS JOKING that's my concern. I see it, thus far, as either Zenith is a wolf and Yosh is super town, putting roundbox as null, or Zenith is human and roundbox/yosh are scummy

I don't think you actually did here.

You make a remark at how he's normally a more laid back day 0 player and that it feels out of place, but then he disappears which actually to a degree fits what you said he is.

You also haven't mentioned at this point anything super hard about yoshl or zenith too hard, if at all. What.

Originally Posted by rzr

1. I know, I'm starving but I haven't been able to put down any food since I stopped drinking ):
2. I'm not saying he was aggressive as much as up front..? If that makes sense. And again, this is simply me putting a meta on roundbox, one that could very well be wrong.
Though my main point was the contrast with yosh/zenith here

But wait, did I miss something or did this whole Zenith / Yoshl thing never actually happen?

/I did.

I think the Zenith / Yoshl interactions to here were very normal. It'd be a lot weirder to me to see an absense of it actually.

As for roundbox and yoshl's interactions...

Current roundbox /not as in this point in the game current, but as of where my last post was / leads me to think this was a dead end.

So kinda good thought but it feels sort of like a minimalistic amount of effort went to sell this, and bunny last game leaves me hyper weary of that.

Originally Posted by rzr

I think Red Blaster would have a better reply here lol.

One thing worth noting IMO: Zenith, I thought you had to get going? Not that I want you to, but are you staying just to defend yourself or did I miss something?
I almost remember seeing something about you saying you're back, so this is a genuine question not an accusation

1. No he wouldn't.
2. I think things like that can change on the fly so that's kinda moot here.

Originally Posted by rzr

Maybe it's cuz I'm not a wolf?

jk.

I've said this 50 times, I'm trying to maintain an all-across-the-board meta, so if you can read me differently now than I am not doing my job correctly haha

This post is back into the weirdo zone with the whole "i dun wanna vote randomly" thing imho.

Originally Posted by rzr

My tourettes does that too lol

stfu

Originally Posted by rzr

I'll show you defensive!!

This post is dumb.

Originally Posted by rzr

Why yes, yes I am! Jeez, here comes the bus already guys, it's not my stop yet!!

I don't wanna countervote to save my booty

... I kinda feel this could be an argued slip or a really fucking shitty joke.

Originally Posted by rzr

I miss anything good? Here, skimming, but I won't really post much till later I'm hoping to buy a new car today

Ok this is fine, hi I'm here someone tldr while I go read anyways, decent stuff.

Originally Posted by rzr

You seem quite confident for someone who hasn't speculated on any of the events so far. I understand you're pregnant, but that's no excuse to be narrow minded here ^^

Good ping, but aside from the round thing at this point you borderline haven't either.

Originally Posted by rzr

I keep getting my phone buzzing saying you guys are quoting me, I don't have time to lok right now ): So I'll be back later

We got the car, watching football and grocery shopping then I'll check in

ok explanation of not being here ect ect yuck. I call this content because at this point I'm gettin' annoyed with it.

Originally Posted by rzr

you twats better give me more than a day here, yesterday was a shit show with buying that car. I'm here lookin up stuff

But... That's so Round?

Originally Posted by rzr

Okay, let's see what we can break down here.
Starting where I left off, just wanna note that any suspicions I've had on roundbox earlier are temporarily quelled while I search here. I see round commenting on my non-voteliness and just wanna say this is me attempting to change my meta. I've had 3 games with you guys, the first one I was killed n1 and the next 2 I was scum. So I'm trying hard to be one across-the-board guy because it's frustrating getting lynched from "the tone of my posts." That's why I gotta create a persona or something for you guys to attach to so I don't just always seem scummy. I really don't wanna have to throw out a vote at this point because it looks like I've been convinced or I'm just "going with the flow." But this isn't about me, so moving on.

--- Kay we get round's off the table for you. Nice. Seems like it was that way for a while but I think the recheck here is good.

This I agree with. I noticed while Yosh and Zenith were going at it that Yosh didn't seem to be pressing as hard as he was with Charu last time. Doeesn't seem like a lot, but given where I'm at right now it's worth an ISO. The concept of DBP being SK seems.. arbitrary? Though I suppose it is fair for PoE. Either way, DBP leans more toewn to me than Yosh.

--- dig this

--- --- ... --- ---

I'm not taking this very seriously. I've already described my impression management before this game, and why I'm doing it, so if you have any questions after you read that we'll go from there. I will say my points on roundbox were that he came out more aggresively that expected, and that he seemed to meld with Yosh at the time, so I would put them closer to being aligned than the zenith/yosh or zenith/roundbox table.

--- Why didn't you respond to him a little more directly? Everything he said is pretty valid here actually. ANd pregame shit is somewhat irrelevant. I mean I said I wanted to be SK pregame.


): that's the first post you had that makes me think you're full of it. As much as I don't want to get into it, I'd say yosh may be right. Either that or you're a wolf who didn't want attention, and are now aofting to backtrack, but idk.

Why? Reminds me of charu bussing storn.


My problem with this is that I agree, and that contradicts the vibe I get on yosh.

But I'll ride this one instead. The point about yosh usually focusing his aggressin on a single player reasonates with me. I do see yosh as being a bit more defeensive as a whole, and not so much pressing his issues (escept the sk one), where it seemed to me that once Yosh had something to run with, he would until it was solid or dead.

I think this is an excellent point, reinforces DBP on my town side for now. Is it not strange for yosh to keep certain names from his vocabulary? Is it not strange for him to push the sk thing so hard, and then just walk away from it? Like I already said, why is role hunting for the sk so important anyway? I'm not targetting yosh, just seeing more content about him than from him.

This is false, you're doing this to keep the train moving. Your last post inquired about your vote status, impression management? And with nobody replying to it, you throw this out there. There's a lot more to work with Zenith, voting for me for the same reason everyone else has thrown around is a cop out.

--- Like this part as it's a lot more open about thoughts and stuff and not trying to kinda ignore the issues / posts / w/e.

--- --- ... --- ---

This kinda mmakes me think you're the sk, not that it matters..

Do you have thoughts on the other players? Or perhaps comments on what they've said about you? I'd agree with most of this, but that doesn't mean I see you as any townier.

I would like to ask right here, does this seem like the amount of diggina normal roundbox would do? I don't know his meta like that, but it seems like an awful lotta trouble to go through for scum, esp d0 with no heat on him. Town points I'd say.

Dunno if I'd say it's repsonsive as much as just getting something on the table.
...

--- Like the rest till the ... part because cool you interacted with me, whoopde do da day

But why in the world didn't you even come close to talking about me when later you have me as top three scum? Surely that bred well in advance?

Originally Posted by rzr

stopping on page 31 cuz I've been at this for almost 2 fuckin hours reading the thread and my wife just got home so I'm gonna start dinner and smoke a damn blunt then I'll come back, I pretty much halted at Xel's giant post. Be back in like an hour

Oh.

Originally Posted by rzr

at this time I'd be more inclined to put a vote on Zenith, because I don't trust a lot of his reasoning
or ymia because he seems to be skirting the line between actually solving/interrogating and just putting something out there to get by

But at this point YMIA hasn't done anything I can recall? Need to do YMIA before I can draw from this fairly.

Originally Posted by rzr

unvote
haha just to fuck with you guys. I'll consider changing my voting philosophy.

No, this is scummy.

Originally Posted by rzr

Still running around and I get the buzz for a quote, didn't even read it all yet just wanna say look who's being defensive zenith. I could care less if you harp on everyone else's reason to vote for me, I think you are acting the way you were as a wolf and seem concerned with how you are perceived. On the other hand, I don't think you would be so obvious. But I did see you act a very obvious partner, so I think you have more to answer for than myself. I'll elaborate when I get back on the comp

interaction with zenith neato, but you're kinda rubbing - oh fuck it.

Skipping a section here due to time / not thinking they're worth while, but they're still content. Gonna do this later too.

Originally Posted by rzr

out of good faith im gonna drop this real quick, i'm starting my post on the new stuff, but this is where I was at when I left earlier about this order

2. MrPopadopalis25 Town Innocent Child
4. rzr
6. DaBackPack
1. Vendetta21
12. choof
7. roundbox
11. AragakiAyase
8. James May
9. Yoshl
10. Red Blaster
3. XelNya
13. yo man im awesome
5. _Zenith_

Why do you need to drop this out of faith, and as I said earlier what dropped me low on this list when you haven't touched me at all this game? Or are you just rolling with the flow on it?

NOPE DON'T CARE ABOUT THESE EITHER. --- SKIP ---

Originally Posted by rzr

The only thing I get from Xel's entire reads list is fluff. I'm rereading it now, and can't see much to comment on, he just kinda agrees with people or comments on something here and there. Nothing is offered from this huge post. He also seems to mention himself quite a bit, in just about every single reply in fact. Which says he's self-aware to me, meaning, from reading thie big post, he seems only conerned with addressing himself, with a handful of quotes that he would agree on. I don't know xel, he just doesn't seem anything like the town version I've seen so far. Moving on.

Zenith's big post, on the other hand, had a lot more to offer. Though I don't agree with how he got to his conclusion, I do seem ymia as a good possiblity. He also had too much null to really comment on there.

Ah, I missed that part of his post. But I can relate to it to a degree, it doesn't necessarily set off any alarms for me.



It looks a lot like you're trying to inadvertenly pass the lynch, very subtely etching the world lynch on people's minds while maintaining that you should be distanced from it. I rearranged things here because these are back to back posts that seem to tell a different story. I don't think you are a good lynch candidate for today if it helps, I just would like to hear your input.

That's what I think, but I have to iso ymia at this point.

I like DBP here. His deflecting of the SK question gave me a feel that he had something up hhis sleeve, but whatever it is he hasn't slipped in any ways I've seen yet. He seems genuine like he has in previous games, though I haven't seen him deal with much heat really. And I'm here, dunno about James (:

Fact, Zenith is a professional tunnler. Though ymia hasn't given him much to work with.
On that note, post 655 is a good response. I read it a few times trying to pick something out of it. I don't think it sounds good to say you want ymia lynched, p ersonally I don't ever like lynching anyone unless they're confirmed, I always feel uneasy till the end. But you had a good defense of your points against ymia, which I would like to hear his defense of. Also still need to iso him.
Xel's following post at 657 started off strong, but it doesn't sway me. He is posting much more content and when he quotes things he doesn't seem to really care what the response is, more like he has his mind made up or something.

I didn't like his in and out at first, bad gut vibe, but I need to iso still because I've seen a lot more posts from him since that night.

No Zenith, I'm just trying to voice my opinions without getting into an argument with you again. I dunno why you only commented on the part that pertained to you, I was hoping for more response from people. It's not personal. I also don't have you as the bigeest wolf in my book. You are contributing what I would consider (mostly) helpful knowledge, and except for a few defensive posts/skim on ymia I wouldn't want you as the to candidate today.

Something I observed here is that he only seems to address yoshL's opinions in full. Just an observation.
AA, post 696 where you address my post:
I wouldn't put it past them to come out so strong and immediately be on opposite sides of the court, trying hard to stay away from the middle. If that analogy makes sense. Sorry if I mentioned this meta too much, it just seemed like I was getting chastised for it. The meta itself is what I was defending, but it seems moot anyway.
I will go back and reread your reads because only so many people have posted like this, which I need to review still.
Yosh could be the SK because a good tactic could be to steer the SK word away from his name. Pinning it on someone so responsive, lol, like DBP assured to keep the term SK moving and not in his direction.
Leaves an unanswered question at the end, does roundbox do this much digging as a wolf? Would help establish that meta, but I'm not gonna ask anyone to dig for that if I' mnot gonna lol. I'll just wait till I see his wolf game

As defensive as it is, it comes across genuine to me. I think a zenith/ymia slot could be possible here.

I hope I've clarified here a little, but remember this is being written as I read the thread not as the game progresses so rapidly. So a lot of what I write can contradict itself as I come into new info, Zenith touched on this earlier I believe. At this part, with a few pages to go still, I'd say the person I'm looking at most is Xel. There are a lot of nulls, I'd stick you/DBP/choof in my town pile atm. And plop obvi.

Does this seem legit or forced? It reinforces his previous statement to a degree, but throws me off. What about AA? (you may have said it, still need to iso you). And if he isn't your top, does that imply you still believe he is scummy or are his detracting posts genuine to you? If so, I'd sit on my previous y/z statement for now.

Another excellent point that went over my head. I think I mentinoed already that RB seems more invested this game, more ready to clash horns. I would think a wolf Roundbox wouldn't prod a wolf RB in this way. town points for round.

Now in post 703 Zenith hits me again with some good defense of his points, an excellent reply to round's suspicions. What bothers me still is that Zenith seems to handpick the points he wants to reply to and the ones he wants to ignore. Perhaps it's just me.

This is true and as I haven't heard your name mentioned that much I would really like to hear ymia back up his accusation of you.

ayyyy story of my life

Setting it in stone so soon?

Don't be a prick, you're pushing the bait too hard. I still don't know what pressure you're reffering to, and I really hate how you got me to reply to this shit statement (since depsite what AA said I think we all have to pick and choose what accusations to reply to sometimes to avoid arguments or suspicions). Don't call that a slip, I'm trying to be nice.

I believe I mentioned earlier how Zenith is a professional tunnler. And I see a lack of that here, even with him and yosh at the start.





Sadly, this kinda says it all. He isn't enforcing his accusations against AA the way I was hoping, AA is doing it for him.

But you aren't. You and Zenith have tossed around some namecalling or something, but I would like to see your reasoning to lynch him more. His posts, however detracting they can be sometimes, seem to offer a good amount of substance to me.

I'd tend to think Zenith speaks his mind without holding it back more often than not.

Does this mean I'm wrong lol? Looking forward to this one.

So who do you see as a bigger threat, ymia or Zenith? Do you think they are aligned?

I hope I have addressed what I was talking about a million times, if you have any questions for me that aren't about voting PLEASE ask them, because I want more to work with from you here. I get a feel there's one of two possibilities with you:
1. You're a pr that's why you've been so defensive. Maybe I'm the only one that picked up on it, maybe I'm just over reading it. but I don't think you're green, blue could be a stretch.
2. You are town as fuck, you feel a little more comfy this game and came back at some people with some quick retorts because it fit in the conversation at the time.

That said, all that bothers me is your content. You also seem to handpick what points you want to reply to and what you don't. This does align with the human meta I have for you though >>

Rather than target inactives I would rather pursue the replacement. Charu would offer content to say the least. Is there anything Jame's has posted thus far? Also, I never find it towny to lynch inactives.

Ding ding fucking mindmeld. Just answered my question about Zenith sticking his vote, and my point about him not tunnelling the way I've seem him as a wolf. His posts aren't perfect, but he's climbed down the ladder on my scale quite a bit.

Roundbox post 735 in regards to my big post:
I only brought you up because I do believe I had been asked to clarify early on why I had a flag on you. I wanted to point out that was an off-the-bat flag and that I'd revisit all points I have made to clarify. I'm going to pause here and come back to this because there's a lot to address.

Mhm. Took me some time and questions to pick on shit.

This is the same thing as when you said Zenith was not your top lynch.

What about yosh? I'm gonna iso him soon since he seems to have fallen off quite rapidly.
DBP and I mindmeld on Xel with his post 721 it seems.
Also Zenith's response to plop's accusation didn't sit well with me, but I still don't know where to pick at.

Zenith, reverse the question. If you were a seer would you bother to seer "Zenith" at this point, or would you pressure him as d1 lynch? I think this is a good point, and I don't buy that you say you couldn't pull it off.
That said, I also don't think you would go to those lengths at this point of the game.

What does WIFOM mean? If it means what I assume than I would not be happy with Zenith's replies here.

This was my old list, where I was at at the start of this current post, which has obviously changed, but I will go back and address things too.

If it were color coded it would be green to gray to red.

At this point, no. I think I mentioned that, I don't see them aligned, though I think it's possible to have a wolf between them. Was there any interaction with ymia between yosh when Zenoth and yosh were going at it?

xel/RB/ymia circa 21:36 EST
subject to change

Fuck is the point of calling it buffalo that those shitheads.
Plop's post on 796 and roundbox's earlier are something I want to come back on, so I'll wait for that.

The neighbors.

I'd agree he is putting in more effort as of late, but I don't see it as towny really. Maybe it's just me, I expect town to back up their accusations a little more.
Imagine the use of this power in the wrong hands haha.

Okay, so do me a favor, take the roster list and simply comment on what you think about people. If they're null or you think you don't want to say something leave it blank. Or just write who you think are wolves, so we know you aren't forcing it.

Whhile I fully agree with this, I do like to have people's quick-lists to contrast.

Agreed.

Not sure if I'm right with this, but I think DBP refers to what I meant in that his content was not really getting much across.

cool this post is great. Finally. But it's a smidge late imho. But well written and I finally don't outright loathe you.

Originally Posted by rzr

I can feel comfy with this for now. In fact, I'll even vote xel for now because I do feel strongest here. Having watched him from a wolf POV he seems almost the opposite of how I perceived him as town. Hope this doesn't make you dislike me anymore, buddy.

Why does it matter if I hate you? I don't hate people in this game because they vote me, I hate them when they vote me and they're full of shit.

A vote on me is reasonable for reasons you lightly touched.

Originally Posted by rzr

This is fair for now, I hope to see something worth convincing at least myself that Zenith is worth my vote. Hopefully we can get that by end of day.
I also really wish we could see some more from V, and I hate that I have like no meta on him at all. At least someone like James I expect to be a certain way (aloof, in this instance). Choof still reminds me of storn atm, so that would be towny.
I guess I should reorder my list before I go to bed

More decent posting.

[quote=rzr;4374159]

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

you're pretty much never going to get that, even if there's a red check there could be counterclaims and the like so never 100%. at some point you have to go with what logic and intuition tell you.

yessssssssssssssssss

--- SKIP ---

Originally Posted by rzr

teammates hmm another good question. I don't see much alignment indicative between them off the bat, but I'm gonna go check if they've defended/ignored each other much. I think xel's the only one that's actually said anything about the whole group, scratch that ymia did just post a quick list.

and that was definitely worth the 4 mins yosh lmao, good explanation of Zenith's position lol

also, had a thought about what I was saying on yosh. It's very possible he's not posting as much as before simply because he doesn't have a good lean right now, which I think a lot of us may feel that way

Originally Posted by rzr

well here's some fucking gold. after a quick iso on RB to address choof's question about teammates I found this, in response to ymia

If

Originally Posted by rzr

I've color coded it and bolded who could be team mates as well as put them in order from most wolfy IMO to least wolfy just so nobody gets confused again ^^

XelNya
Red Blaster
yo man im awesome
_Zenith_
Vendetta21
James May
AragakiAyase
Yoshl
roundbox
choof
DaBackPack
MrPopadopalis25
rzr

Is a result of those three posts, you're dumb. I think that's probably my only RB interaction this game. And he's not even touched me as far as I remember.

Originally Posted by rzr

the bolding goes based on the color, so if I'm wrong about my reds than I could see an AA/yosh pairing or a yosh/roundbox pairing (which the ladder I think I've mentioned already this game).
But I'm comfortable with this vote for now. RB, you don't seem to be helping the case much it would be nice to see some real defense I guess, but my points about xel stand.
Also, I think it probably is your meta to get a little ticket when in this situation, I know I get pissed too

Yeah ok your points are

xel's big posts are fluffy

he interacted with rb like once in some three post sequence

holy shit they must be a team

Originally Posted by rzr

tis why I put xel first, but I already voted for him anyway. Next time I'll underline it, or put it in size 7 font lol

plz just stop being dumb.

Originally Posted by rzr

Also, I wouldn't mind placing my vote on RB for the pressure anyway, so let me check the vc


I took out your unvote and added your red blaster vote, should be up to date. As much as I like [color]red]Red Blaster[/color] I would like to see him address some of these questions with actual logic or defense, I know he has more that what I'm seeing atm.

Which should make that VC

so straighten things out. Frankly I'm a little surprised Zenith is still on the block, and I'm nowhere near avoiding my Xel vote still.

Gee, I wonder why.

Originally Posted by rzr

What post? Direct me there, I thought I iso'd you. I would have no problems addressing any questions of yours, but I didn't see any sorry.

Originally Posted by rzr

Unless it's this, in which case I answered it a million times.

Originally Posted by rzr

Ay I'm new to the iso thing anyway. These are questions you asked me? When, again? I still haven't been redirected there, you just reiterated yourself.

coolio interactions

Originally Posted by rzr

I am pretty sure I have already answered everything I can about my voting strategy, and clearly have even changed it for the benefit of the doubt. I also clarified on my mentioning of roundbox several times, even when apparently nobody was asking. I also explained my comments/concern about wolf rush. Literally reading this post for the 4th time and not seeing why you're linkning me here, these are questions I've already answered you're just beating a dead horse.

Furthermore, you haven't answered my questions and redirecting to me isn't convincing me of your humanity.

no and then yes

Originally Posted by rzr

Again, mention of wanting to throw out a vote and even a target on who he would place one on, but for some reason he still doesn't do it. He mentions his philosophy of always electing to stay out of the voting if possible*, but in the last TWG, my only game experience with rzr, he tossed out votes fairly casually - even early D0 shitvotes - so I don't see where this 180° shift in how he uses his voting power is coming from.
I've said this a myriad of times:




I also remember saying that it's possible if yoshL is a wolf that roundbox is his partner, but you can dig that up I'm tired as all hell right now.
Anybody else get the feeling I hit the nail on the head? I mean I could be completely barking up the wrong tree, but I don't remember my town game being half as bad as my wolf games.

Like you know what

I loathe your voting concepts, but I can't say you announcing where they'd be isn't a bad what's the goddamned word

compromise, yes that's it.

Originally Posted by rzr

thoughts on a roundbox/yoshL team?

Decent follow up

Originally Posted by rzr

So now where are we

And thanks yosh, I'm asking Red if he thinks ymia is not a wolf does he think Zenith is one? Could they both be wolves?

doubt it

one or the other maybe, I doubt both based on zenith's play

Originally Posted by rzr

No, I'd be curious what you think about ymia going after AA

If it had happened earlier it'd be fine, where it is tho is dumb.

Originally Posted by rzr

also wouldn't mind your feedback on a roundbox/yosh scenario, I'm not pushing that though

... But you are?

Originally Posted by rzr

All this said, I'll switch back to xel for now. Tomorrow I will reply to plop and roundbox's big posts like I said, and iso my human pool. I really gotta hit the sack though so good night guys

Fuck that, attempt to explain your case in detail plz.

What was I doing that's so goddamned scummy to you, since you don't have a meta of me and my play has been noted to be different from it anyway.

Like do some long quote shit, plz plz plz

Long story is:

Didn't like rzr early game.

Steadily coming to like him more, but I really wanna hear his case on em before a hard decision. I wanna see how much it melds to the others being he somewhat shouldn't have a meta of me that he trusts well enough to go off of, and I am interested in what happens when he attempts an iso on me.

And I couldn't care enough at this point to do my normal proofreading, and I omitted posts due to time. I'm fuckin' tired. I will try to do ymia before work.

try being optimal phrasing.

But if you need to know where I stand on rzr it's a town lean, but not solid HER DER YOU SO TOWNIE. My mind could be changed if a convincing argument was presented.

And I did rzr first because I couldn't remember any of his posts when I started. I feel well caught up on his game now. That makes me feel better. YMIA is next for the same reason.

rzr is a bad d0
aa is bad d0
plop is ob clear
choof is mia so that's bad
zenith has a decent case to lean him scum, but I kinda stated why I don't wanna do it earlier

bed time fuck it

[rzr]

oh man I am gonna tear that one apart xel, I really hope you out more into it than what I saw from a glimpse, because it looks like you're just spewing the sane garbage from the start of the game as everyone else, and if that's all you have to say about me is my voting pattern is weird and trying to change my meta than I am definitely right, you're as scummy as your partner. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, gonna back track to where I left off last night and we'll go from there.

[rzr]

mornin AA

[rzr]

This is my synopsis of what Xel has said on the last page and other shit since I went to bed. Leaving this here, now I'm going to reply to roundbox/plop's big posts and Xel's more recent one since I just skimmed that too. Hopefully it's more to work with.

Originally Posted by YoshL

fallout 4 is pretty good

hashtag fucking jealous

Originally Posted by Red Blaster

The same could be said of/to you.

I think he has defended himself well, gonna do that iso soon though since more than one person is talking about this.

Originally Posted by XelNya

More speculation is that yeah if AA ends up being scum these posts atm are kinda better to have than yours because you can get some insight out of them later.

This is really the only substantial piece of info you offer here. In that you can see a wolr dwith AA being a wolf, but aren't willing to pursue it, which I think on d0 is more important. That said, Xel gets some points for distancing from ymia, but it makes me feel uneasy about AA if he's scum.

I like your comments on Zenith, but why don't you say more than

Originally Posted by XelNya

Hell of a ploy? No.

Actually, it feels like a simple bait really. In fact, I'm kinda mad I missed it myself.

because that just proves what I'm saying. You take a confirmed town's opinion, agree that you should have picked up something, but you just leave it there. No follow up at all, if you actually thought Zenith had red potential why wouldn't you inquire more about this?
I also don't like how you continue with the tired slank rather than address anythng DBP was actually saying.

Originally Posted by XelNya

A

aha

ahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

pssssssssssssh

/snicker

/chuckle

bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

really

just really

psssssh

That's just

hilarious

Gonna take a break and reread YMIA, Zenith and RZR.

Anyways time to go back to digging my own hole I guess.

Again, just throwing out noises isn't actually addressing anything. I get it, even as town you did very little, but if you're going to skirt around people I'm going to continue to read that as a cop out until I see something substantial.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Wait, what?

What about it? Do you take an issue with the fact that Zenith seemed so adamant on dropping his mega post and now is oushig it back? What is the point of commenting here without conjecture.

Originally Posted by XelNya

wait xel / middie did a complete 180 here in order to appeal to look town

Funny you have no problem using the same OMGUS against me ay?

Originally Posted by AragakiAyase

also this makes me lean xel a bit more town, easy town points sure but I don't think a wolf xel would give a shit

Despite the follow up I really don't think he does either, for reasons I've stated. Asking if you're coming back doesn't strike me as town in anyway, perhaps if he had said oh are you coming back I still want to discuss these things with you, since he did *ping* you lol.

[AragakiAyase]

GUYS IT'S UNBLOCKED

yayyyyyyyyy

[rzr]

Originally Posted by XelNya

But... That's so Round?

I'm not gonna really respond to anything before this, I've said the same thing 100 times. All you said was that you don't like me or my post content, which is fine since you don't offer anything yourself. In fact, saying anyone of my shitposts is dumb is ridiculously hypocritical since the few I made at the start of the game were clearly in jest and everyone besides yourself knew that. Moving on.

Originally Posted by XelNya

But why in the world didn't you even come close to talking about me when later you have me as top three scum? Surely that bred well in advance?

If I haven't mentioned this a bunch of times yet either, than I will say it again, I don't see you putting much work into your thoughts, in fact until you iso'd me I haven't seen anything worth commenting on or I would have asked you a direct question. Your big posts have very little reply, like your follow up with

Originally Posted by XelNya

Oh.

Like do you have a question? Do you take opposition to me saying I was making dinner?

Originally Posted by XelNya

But at this point YMIA hasn't done anything I can recall? Need to do YMIA before I can draw from this fairly.

Please do. He had a few small slips and a lack of defense when actually pressured. Though he did quell me last night, if he doesn't offer more I think it's rather clear he's not interested in staying alive.

Originally Posted by XelNya

No, this is scummy.

Oh? Perhaps I should go back to not voting? Seems like you'll take issue with any action I make, so I'll toss my vote around like a beach ball from now on just for you.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Why do you need to drop this out of faith, and as I said earlier what dropped me low on this list when you haven't touched me at all this game? Or are you just rolling with the flow on it?

Think I've explained this seberal times, regardless of the numerous times I've said that list is outdated. But once more, that list is in order of who I found scummiest, mostly based on gut at the time. When posted I think around 4 yesterday, I hadn't ready the next 500 posts of content yet, hasn't commented on or elaborated on why I think you're acting scummy, and since I have I would really rather focus on that than going in circles.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Why does it matter if I hate you? I don't hate people in this game because they vote me, I hate them when they vote me and they're full of shit.

A vote on me is reasonable for reasons you lightly touched.

Ayy, so do we agree not to hate each other for no reason now lol?
I'm not trying to tunnel you either, I just get a different vibe a strong one than the last few games.
The next part about me seeing you guys as possible teammates, I will agree there has not been much interaction with you guys. I was just asked by choof, who, out of my scum pile, could be on a team. So I looked at it and I don't Zenith and ymia on a team, so I said who was left. Then when I checked to see if there was anything yo back that up, I saw you two skirting ymia out of the line of fire, or trying to. I'm not saying you guys are aligned, I'm not saying you are 100% a wolf, I just took the data and put it in the light.

Originally Posted by XelNya

no and then yes

No what? Do you still have questions about me wanting to change my meta or voting pattern? If so, then ask them, stop quoting things and leaving it there.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Decent follow up

Any thoughts on that team possibility?

Originally Posted by XelNya

If it had happened earlier it'd be fine, where it is tho is dumb.

Precisely, and look how he responded to it.

Originally Posted by XelNya

Fuck that, attempt to explain your case in detail plz.

What was I doing that's so goddamned scummy to you, since you don't have a meta of me and my play has been noted to be different from it anyway.

Like do some long quote shit, plz plz plz

If I haven't explained it enough by this point I don't think it's going to sink in. Seeing you from a wolfs POV you did very little to help the game. I saw a few accusations with some light footwork to bring them to light, I saw a lot of gifs(and I know you already addressed this). And this game you have a lot more actual posts with words in them trying to do stuff, but I don't see you actually guiding the points anywhere. If I had to have a meta on you based on the couple of games we've played, then I would say you are 100% different.

[rzr]

All in all, I feel a lot more comfortable taking my vote off Xel for now, maybe gearing towards ymia or RB again, but I'm still digging. One hell of a d0 lmao.

[AragakiAyase]

4.25 hours until EOD

lames is never here so lol
choof is gone which is concerning, this is reminiscent of the spice game where he was a wolf and went really hard first half of the phase, then dropped slank and vanished second half
V is also gone but I have no meta, also liked his posts more than choof's
plop is IC
rzr isn't a good d0
xel isn't a good d0
yoshl has gone into spectator mode, decent lynch candidate
ymia top lynch candidate, shitty defense and shittier accusations
zenith gameplay seems normal, bad d0 but possible godfather?
dbp doesn't seem like a wolf but maybe sk? maybe yoshl is though idk
roundbox feels town at the moment
not sold on red blaster, I don't like him but would rather lynch ymia

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by choof

wait, eod is tomorrow
idk if I'll catch up today then lol

I hope to see something

[roundbox]

Eod is awkward for me since I have students at that time. I have lunch coming up soon though

[AragakiAyase]

Originally Posted by roundbox

Eod is awkward for me since I have students at that time. I have lunch coming up soon though

are you still set on xel

[YoshL]

i skimmed over xel's big posts and pretty much all the big posts

scratch that, i didn't even skim, i just looked at the fact that they were big posts and didn't do anything

also if you'd like to lump people into categories, there's more than just me who's fallen into spectator mode. (dbp, v, choof) although i might be remembering dbp wrong and correct me if so

[AragakiAyase]

yeah, didn't realize dbp is mostly spectating now, v and choof have definitely been on my mind though

still want to lynch ymia way more than anyone else, but the spectating is something to note for later

[AragakiAyase]

I labeled you as more of a spectator because I've seen you around more with little posting, whereas choof/V have just been absent mostly from what I've seen

[rzr]

good to see some fresh faces, I've got another post I'm working on but keep checking in here to see how we're doing. So yosh, since Xel seemed to direct most of his points towards you (positively) at the start, and he says I can't have a meta on him yet, are you agreeing with DBP and myself that Xel's lack of digging seems strange?