Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? - Page 6

Zapmeister · 08-5-2013, 04:03 PM

ffr on rates uses millisecond timing, not frame timing. i found that in a post somewhere. will edit this post when i find the link to it

edit: found it here and a few posts before it in that thread

**YoshL** · 08-5-2013, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by PaperclipGames

Point out where I was speaking about Skeletor. I know fuck all about Skeletor. My point is that I'm pretty sure that rates changes frames, and thus may fix framers or create any - in general.

argument invalidated by previous 2 posts

also, 100% yes to what ji said. hindering forward progress towards fun ffr because a couple songs. Plus, all of the people actually putting the argument against to the test are proving that it really holds no ground almost

**Fission** · 08-5-2013, 04:23 PM

i want to see what one of the game managers thinks because other than a possible few files, everything is more difficult on higher rates.

semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

**HalfStep** · 08-5-2013, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fission

semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

They do record.

Choofers · 08-5-2013, 04:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fission

i want to see what one of the game managers thinks because other than a possible few files, everything is more difficult on higher rates.

semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

wat

60 fps records score for me

mi40 · 08-5-2013, 04:25 PM

60 fps records i think

Choofers · 08-5-2013, 04:26 PM

fission plays on 120 iirc, no idea why that doesn't record

**Fission** · 08-5-2013, 04:27 PM

i don't recall them recording @ 120 fps, but I'll check again

mi40 · 08-5-2013, 04:28 PM

120 fps holy

**Fission** · 08-5-2013, 04:30 PM

120 hz monitor yo

**Tim Allen** · 08-5-2013, 04:53 PM

decrease it to 90 like me.. i'm sure you can bear with it

**PaperclipGames** · 08-5-2013, 04:58 PM

My scores have been recording on 30, 50, 60, 80, and 100 fps respectively, so, lol.

**YoshL** · 08-5-2013, 05:44 PM

i use 120 lol

**TC_Halogen** · 08-5-2013, 05:47 PM

Wanted to chime in about files that can be cheated -- Legacy files with jumps unintentionally separated will get close enough to hit as jumps, making certain files with splits noticeably easier. It also will tighten frames in songs with inconsistent spacing between notes, making you less likely to get a good if you hit evenly in something like SSSG.

If a person is good at streaming but can't one-hand trill, Vertex Beta 1.1x might lead them to a somewhat undeserved good score by hitting the trills as 8th jumps.

**Fission** · 08-5-2013, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by YoshL

i use 120 lol

welp, guess that's settled.

mi40 · 08-5-2013, 05:56 PM

i played vertex beta on 1.5/1.6 a couple times and even then the trills can't be cheated as jumps

also for legacy songs, for the files that have split jumps, you need to play them on rates at least 2.0 for the split jumps to become normal jumps - which in turn make the rest of the files insanely hard (jacks)

**YoshL** · 08-5-2013, 08:25 PM

so i've been talking a bit w/ bmah

what do you all think of a compromise: one of the points bmah brought up was that it's really unfair to the music artists to basically have their music glazed over by rates. It's a valid point, and I see where he's coming from.

What if you had to make a couple full plays through the song before rate score saving was enabled for that song

**benguino** · 08-5-2013, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by YoshL

so i've been talking a bit w/ bmah

what do you all think of a compromise: one of the points bmah brought up was that it's really unfair to the music artists to basically have their music glazed over by rates. It's a valid point, and I see where he's coming from.

What if you had to make a couple full plays through the song before rate score saving was enabled for that song

That actually sounds pretty fair. Reminds me of how osu has these options to turn off annoying things like video/storyboard/map-specific skin/map-specific hitstounds/etc but in order to turn a lot of them off you need to play the map with the original settings first like the mapper intended.

mi40 · 08-5-2013, 08:31 PM

eh idk about 'couple' full plays, i'm not sure if everybody would want to play through The Games We Played 3 times full before having rates record

not everybody will play every song on like 1.5 or something, i still feel like by music artists giving us permission to step the song, we get it onto ffr and we have the option of playing it whatever rate we feel like

also most of the songs sound pretty good on like 1.1 still haha

**Fission** · 08-5-2013, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by YoshL

couple full plays

one

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Fission no Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 1,850	Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? i want to see what one of the game managers thinks because other than a possible few files, everything is more difficult on higher rates. semi-related: why not record scores on frame rates above 30?

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08-5-2013, 04:27 PM	#108
Fission no Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 1,850	Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? i don't recall them recording @ 120 fps, but I'll check again

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Fission no Join Date: Jan 2004 Age: 34 Posts: 1,850	Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? 120 hz monitor yo

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08-5-2013, 05:47 PM	#114
TC_Halogen Rhythm game specialist. Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Bel Air, Maryland Age: 34 Posts: 19,376	Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? Wanted to chime in about files that can be cheated -- Legacy files with jumps unintentionally separated will get close enough to hit as jumps, making certain files with splits noticeably easier. It also will tighten frames in songs with inconsistent spacing between notes, making you less likely to get a good if you hit evenly in something like SSSG. If a person is good at streaming but can't one-hand trill, Vertex Beta 1.1x might lead them to a somewhat undeserved good score by hitting the trills as 8th jumps.

08-5-2013, 05:56 PM	#116
mi40 ᅠ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,655	Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? i played vertex beta on 1.5/1.6 a couple times and even then the trills can't be cheated as jumps also for legacy songs, for the files that have split jumps, you need to play them on rates at least 2.0 for the split jumps to become normal jumps - which in turn make the rest of the files insanely hard (jacks) __________________

08-5-2013, 08:31 PM	#119
mi40 ᅠ Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,655	Re: Why aren't rates above 1.0 counting for scores? eh idk about 'couple' full plays, i'm not sure if everybody would want to play through The Games We Played 3 times full before having rates record not everybody will play every song on like 1.5 or something, i still feel like by music artists giving us permission to step the song, we get it onto ffr and we have the option of playing it whatever rate we feel like also most of the songs sound pretty good on like 1.1 still haha __________________

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