Should the government stop abortions?

[stretchypanda]

fallopian.

I know it is simply a matter of... well, not opinion, but something... but I cannot imagine a woman becoming pregnant under normal circumstances (meaning she willingly participated in the conception) and not being excited about giving life to another being.

Of course, I am an education major and therefore only interested in getting married and making babies.

@ bain: I see what you are saying about a rape pregnancy not being the mother's fault, and with the advent and common use of emergency contraceptive, pregnancies resulting from rape ARE very uncommon, but you have to look at the emotional toll something like that would put on a woman, and it certainly wasn't HER fault she got pregnant. Now, I can't say how I would respond in a situation like that, but it has got to be difficult to carry around a 9-month reminder of the single most horrible event of your entire existence.

[xWnLx Crisco]

Originally Posted by devonin

Heck, wouldn't that make Nyokou happy? The whole reason she wants the right to an abortion is in case she gets pregnant "by accident" instead of taking all of the necessary precautions, or actually just getting her tubes tied.

You can still get pregnant even when your "tubes are tied" known as Salpingectomy.

You can still get pregnant when you take birth control.

You can still get pregnant using a condom the correct way.

So even if a female had all 3 covered and the chances of pregnancy was extremly high she could still become pregnant.

The only 100% way to not get pregnant is abstinence.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by Nyokou

Well, I'm not a kid anymore. :/

And having a child at 15 years of age? No thanks. I'm definitely getting my tubes tied as soon as I can, without letting my parents know. I really don't want children at all.

And I know I made huge mistakes by not using a condom and being at the most vulnerable stage of getting pregnant that night. Besides, it was what.. the second time I had sex. I haven't done it since. I'm a bit too scared, and I've decided that if I do accidentally get pregnant, I want to be older, so no thanks.

Did you let the guy ejaculate inside you? That usually is what does it.

Aside from that, devonin's already brought up the problem with the fact that the father, unless it's rape, also has half the responsibility of the living child but no say in whether the child is kept.

Read the rest of the topic before posting. If you already did, god help you for your lack of retention of information.

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by stretchypanda

I see what you are saying about a rape pregnancy not being the mother's fault, and with the advent and common use of emergency contraceptive, pregnancies resulting from rape ARE very uncommon, but you have to look at the emotional toll something like that would put on a woman, and it certainly wasn't HER fault she got pregnant. Now, I can't say how I would respond in a situation like that, but it has got to be difficult to carry around a 9-month reminder of the single most horrible event of your entire existence.

my reason for saying abortions should stay.
if you participate willingly and know what's going on. you deserve what you get.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by blindreper1179

my reason for saying abortions should stay.
if you participate willingly and know what's going on. you deserve what you get.

And even so, I find it difficult to so harshly deal judgment down upon others for their follies.

[stretchypanda]

Originally Posted by OrganisM

And even so, I find it difficult to so harshly deal judgment down upon others for their follies.

See, I really don't. There are alternatives to abortion if the only reason you are pregnant is your boyfriend forgot his condom and you thought you had your cycle down so it would be okay just this one time.

Yeah, pregnancy can ruin a lot of things for a girl, but I really have to go with, "Should've thought of that sooner" on this one.

[The Bain]

Originally Posted by stretchypanda

@ bain: I see what you are saying about a rape pregnancy not being the mother's fault, and with the advent and common use of emergency contraceptive, pregnancies resulting from rape ARE very uncommon, but you have to look at the emotional toll something like that would put on a woman, and it certainly wasn't HER fault she got pregnant. Now, I can't say how I would respond in a situation like that, but it has got to be difficult to carry around a 9-month reminder of the single most horrible event of your entire existence.

thank you for your insight =D. O ya btw sex is more than just a physical thing, it has a moral standpoint as well which. Wearing a condom and going on birth control doesn't make it right. SOME people fail to see this. Thus marriage for them will be absolutely meaningless. Please don't fall for someone who says they want to express their love fully in the only way they know how. If they really love you they'll wait.

Aside from pregnacies, teens today are approximatly 3 times more likely to contract an STD than to get pregnant. The most comman STD's today are viruses and there is no cure for them. Get tested people!

[blindreper1179]

Originally Posted by stretchypanda

See, I really don't. There are alternatives to abortion if the only reason you are pregnant is your boyfriend forgot his condom and you thought you had your cycle down so it would be okay just this one time.

Yeah, pregnancy can ruin a lot of things for a girl, but I really have to go with, "Should've thought of that sooner" on this one.

score backup.
exactly. if you think one time won't hurt, it's the one time that hurts most.

[xWnLx Crisco]

Originally Posted by stretchypanda

See, I really don't. There are alternatives to abortion if the only reason you are pregnant is your boyfriend forgot his condom and you thought you had your cycle down so it would be okay just this one time.

Yeah, pregnancy can ruin a lot of things for a girl, but I really have to go with, "Should've thought of that sooner" on this one.

Do you point and laugh at the females you see everyday that are pregnant?

I don't think just by saying "Well if you would have known that your boy friend wasn't wearing a condom this would not have happened" is going to justify in a helpless girl that made a mistake.

We are only Human and guess what we all make mistakes like it or not and for you to judge someone who made a mistake is not fair. How would you like it if you were in a household where the father left after he found out and the mother couldn't support the child but it was illegal to have an adoption. Would you just tell her well sorry its your fault for getting into this situation so deal with it?

Its sad that someone can say something like that but the second they have the table turned on them its a whole different story.

[stretchypanda]

Originally Posted by The Bain

thank you for your insight =D. O ya btw sex is more than just a physical thing, it has a moral standpoint as well which. Wearing a condom and going on birth control doesn't make it right. SOME people fail to see this. Thus marriage for them will be absolutely meaningless. Please don't fall for someone who says they want to express their love fully in the only way they know how. If they really love you they'll wait.

Aside from pregnacies, teens today are approximatly 3 times more likely to contract an STD than to get pregnant. The most comman STD's today are viruses and there is no cure for them. Get tested people!

This argument belongs elsewhere. Current topic is about the government's right to regulate abortion.

[OrganisM]

Originally Posted by stretchypanda

See, I really don't. There are alternatives to abortion if the only reason you are pregnant is your boyfriend forgot his condom and you thought you had your cycle down so it would be okay just this one time.

Yeah, pregnancy can ruin a lot of things for a girl, but I really have to go with, "Should've thought of that sooner" on this one.

How about birth control babies?

[The Bain]

Originally Posted by stretchypanda

This argument belongs elsewhere. Current topic is about the government's right to regulate abortion.

aiight point taken

[Kilgamayan]

Originally Posted by xWnLx Crisco

Do you point and laugh at the females you see everyday that are pregnant?

I don't think just by saying "Well if you would have known that your boy friend wasn't wearing a condom this would not have happened" is going to justify in a helpless girl that made a mistake.

We are only Human and guess what we all make mistakes like it or not and for you to judge someone who made a mistake is not fair. How would you like it if you were in a household where the father left after he found out and the mother couldn't support the child but it was illegal to have an adoption. Would you just tell her well sorry its your fault for getting into this situation so deal with it?

Its sad that someone can say something like that but the second they have the table turned on them its a whole different story.

We all make mistakes, yes. What do we do? We live with and learn from them.

Guess what that implies!

If you can't handle the consequences of a given action, don't perform the given action.

[stretchypanda]

Originally Posted by xWnLx Crisco

generalization blown way out of proportion.

WHOA. I'm sorry I'm not calling to memory the dozens of teenage pregnancies I have seen in my lifetime and making this some long, "Well, I know this one girl and she did this thing and so I don't think it's a good idea". I'm sorry I'm unsympathetic to children who grew up in the same situation I did and yet somehow ended up catching the short end. I'm sorry you presume that when I call out women who look at abortion as a form of birth control (and some DO) I am talking about all women and girls who fall into the arms and bed of the first man to show her something other than the back of his hand.

No, I don't point and laugh at the females I see pregnant. Want to know why? Most of the pregnant females I see are my students. When I see them, I'm just sad. They're sixteen and a baby is what they want. They don't want to go to college or see the world. They want to have a baby with their eighteen-year-old loser boyfriend.

And didn't I JUST SAY there are alternatives to abortion? Why is it that, to you, "alternatives" means, "Suck it up, you fat whore." (Oh, I'm sorry, did I make a generalization about something you said? My bad.)

IF a woman becomes pregnant because she knowingly and willfully put herself in a situation that could result in a pregnancy, I do NOT have sympathy if she later realizes she made a mistake.

@organism: Hm... I suppose with the case of birth control "accidents" I'll just have to go back to my old argument: The purpose of sex is reproduction. If you are engaging in sex you should and eventually will have to accept that responsibility. If you can't handle that responsibility, you don't have any business having sex.

[xWnLx Crisco]

Panda-

Read my post before that and it talks about the other alternatives and the results some of those have.

Do me a favor next time, When you see one of your students ask them what sex to them means. I can say the act of reproduction is not going to be coming out of their mouths.

If you haven't noticed (which I am sure you have) sex is the "thing" to be doing. The American media feeds off of it, ads are purposly using near nude females to help them sell products that don't even have similarities. When you see a car ad in a magazine you will see an atractive couple having a joy ride.

You have to take what the media and actual thoughts of what the young adults of america are fed. I am sorry if you think since you don't know any misfortunate people that it makes it "alright" to demean them and tell them that they are the floor mat to which you step on.

[The Bain]

Originally Posted by xWnLx Crisco

Panda-

Read my post before that and it talks about the other alternatives and the results some of those have.

Do me a favor next time, When you see one of your students ask them what sex to them means. I can say the act of reproduction is not going to be coming out of their mouths.

If you haven't noticed (which I am sure you have) sex is the "thing" to be doing. The American media feeds off of it, ads are purposly using near nude females to help them sell products that don't even have similarities. When you see a car ad in a magazine you will see an atractive couple having a joy ride.

You have to take what the media and actual thoughts of what the young adults of america are fed. I am sorry if you think since you don't know any misfortunate people that it makes it "alright" to demean them and tell them that they are the floor mat to which you step on.

You're using the media as a scapegoat. It's not the final deciding factor of whether or not you're going to share a bed with someone. Other social areas such as peer pressure also plays a major roles.

[xWnLx Crisco]

Originally Posted by The Bain

You're using the media as a scapegoat. It's not the final deciding factor of whether or not you're going to share a bed with someone. Other social areas such as peer pressure also plays a major roles.

Ok physically that is true that the final decision if both male and female agree acknowledge they are having sex. (rape not included)

So where do you think the peer pressure comes from?

Friends, and where do friends get there information on what is "in" and what isn't?

The media...........

Its not a scapegoat at all, its the problem.

Our social life is not physcially but mentally controlled by the media. You would not know 3/4ths of the things that you know about current events if it wasn't for the media.

Prove to me that I am wrong....................

[devonin]

Our social life is not physcially but mentally controlled by the media.

If you are weak-willed enough, and lack the ability to make useful discernments of what you are shown that you can feel justified in saying that the media MENTALLY CONTROLS us...well...I've got a five-minute advertisement that I'm -sure- will convince you to give me all the money you have.

I'm getting very sick and tired of people blaming all their problems and faults on "The Media" like it has actual magic powers that force you to act against your will.

[GuidoHunter]

The media INFLUENCE almost everything we do; they do not CONTROL almost everything we do.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[xWnLx Crisco]

in·flu·ence (nfl-ns) KEY

NOUN:

A power affecting a person, thing, or course of events, especially one that operates without any direct or apparent effort

con·trol (kn-trl) KEY

TRANSITIVE VERB:
con·trolled , con·trol·ling , con·trols
To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over

Its amazing what you can find out in 1 minute.

Devon-
I am not anouncing that I make my decisions to what the media tells me and shows.

But I am simply stating that MANY not ALL people make most of their judgements from a media's perspective. There are alot of simple minded people out there and there is nothing you or I can do about it to change how the live their lives.