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  • Laharl
    FFR Player
    • Sep 2003
    • 1821

    #1

    Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

    Varia mentioning buying Star Ocean: Till the End of Time made me think about all the other games that were just vastly and ruinously different from thier predicessors. Star Ocean: The Second Story was fast-paced and FUN, whereas TtEoT was really boring, and completely changed the feel of the combat for the worse, as well as having a really bogus story.

    I for one think that Devil May Cry 2 is one of the biggest shames of all time. (Thankfully, Capcom made up for it with DMC3, which was really fun.) It was just... I don't even know how to describe how terrible it was.

    I think Warcraft 3 is up there. Warcraft 2 was pretty good. Starcraft was amazing. Warcraft 3 changed it up to be more of an RPG than a Real-Time Strategy. Wasn't a big fan of multiplayer, although the single player was pretty cool.

    Final Fantasy 7. (I know I'm going to get some hate for this, but oh well.) No longer are we dealing with a majority fantasy world. We also have to put up with a terrible translation job and bland characters (in combat, in combat. Materia made your guy, so the particulars of who was fighting became largely unimportant unlike previous FF games). I don't know of a whole lot of people that started with previous FF installments that particularly care for this installment. If it was my first exposure to the series, I might have liked it, I admit.

    Knights of the Old Republic 2. Way to finish your ****ing game. It's like it was only 50% finished before they put it out, hoping the modding community would finish building it for them. My friend who's in the NWN2 beta says that NWN2 is largely the same way and to avoid buying it for awhile.
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  • Omeganitros
    auauauau
    • Jun 2003
    • 8897

    #2
    Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

    Oh


    Oh


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    Um


    Um


    Nope, I give up. Got nothin.

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    • Squeek
      let it snow~
      • Jan 2004
      • 14444

      #3
      Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

      For the most part, you're right. Obviously there are good sequels out there (I mean, you're all still ogling Disgaea 2 for whatever reason), but the ones you've listed did indeed have the potential to ruin the franchise if they didn't actually do it.

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      • duhh_
        FFR Player
        • Sep 2006
        • 429

        #4
        Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

        I thought u were gonna discuss crappy movie sequals.

        then i looked which forum this thread was in.

        anyway most sonic sequals reek
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        • Laharl
          FFR Player
          • Sep 2003
          • 1821

          #5
          Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

          Since Sega dropped out of the console wars, the Sonic games HAVE been pretty crappy.

          @ Squeek: Are you saying Disgaea 2 doesn't deserve to be oogled? I have plenty of reason for loving the game.
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          • Squeek
            let it snow~
            • Jan 2004
            • 14444

            #6
            Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

            I just never held any interest in it, which is the meaning behind those comments.

            Not purchasing a Sony console hinders my ability to play Disgaea. Plus the fact that I hate most grid-style turn-based RPGs.

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            • Tokzic
              FFR Player
              • May 2005
              • 6878

              #7
              Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

              Originally posted by Laharl
              Knights of the Old Republic 2.
              ASDF THIS ONE PISSED ME OFF.

              warning incoming spoilers





              Okay, so here you are, right? You used to be a Jedi, but you got kicked for going to war. HOWEVER, THE JEDI COUNCIL KNOWS SOMETHING ABOUT YOU THAT YOU DON'T. Also, your mentor knows about it, but does not think that you are ready to know yet! ps oh hey you're being chased by a group of assassination droids for an unknown reason

              one jedi council slaughtering later

              OH NO YOUR MENTOR IS DISAPPOINTED IN YOU AND IS REVERTING TO HER DARK WAYS. Better go chase her! Okay so here you are on her home world and OOPS YOUR PARTY JUST FELL INTO AN ABYSS. So much for them! But wait, the techie has left his droid instructions but OH WAIT IT TURNS OUT ONE OF YOUR ALLIES HAS FOLLOWED THE DROID AND IS ACTUALLY IN IT FOR PERSONAL GAIN! He's going to wait and see what you do to your master before stopping you from blowing up the planet!

              DUN DUN DUN FINAL CONFRONTATION 'WHAT IS THE SECRET?!' YOU SCREAM AT YOUR MENTOR. 'Oh... oh that's right... uh, you knew it all along!' she screams, 'and now we must FIGHT TO THE DEATH!'

              fight fight fight fall into abyss TKO etc.

              DRAMATIC ZOOM OUT FROM INSIDE OF FINAL BATTLEGROUND TO PLANET AND PAN TO SOME STARS

              gg guys gg well played

              ps what happened to the assassination droids

              pps what happened to the ally holding the planet hostage

              ppps i don't know the secret you damned hag get the hell out of that abyss and tell me

              pppps why did i buy half a game
              Last edited by Tokzic; 10-18-2006, 12:17 PM.

              Last edited by Tokzic: Today at 11:59 PM. Reason: wait what

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              • Moogy
                嗚呼
                FFR Simfile Author
                • Aug 2003
                • 10303

                #8
                Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                Final Fantasy Tactics Advance. Please don't call a game FFT if it's going to be that horrible. Seriously.

                Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time. Zelda didn't survive the leap to 3D very well.

                As I said in that other thread, SO3 has way better music (streaming audio as opposed to ****ty PSX instrumentation) and graphics (obviously) than SO2, and it also has a much, much better battle system. SO3 has the best action battle system of any RPG. Of course, SO3's story is even more of a mess than SO2's (which was already really bad), and the IC system is totally broken to the point of hilarity (except for the fact that it's HORRIBLY FRUSTRATING).

                Going purely by music, SO3 is one of the best games ever. Sakuraba ****ing rules.

                Metroid Fusion. Holy **** what is that. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were great, but Fusion was so terrible. It's an insult to Super Metroid, its predecessor.

                Sword of Mana. This game is so ****ing horrible. Let's follow up Secret of Mana, SD3, and LoM (all 3 are fantastic) with a horribly generic piece of crap with an incoherent story and mashtastic gameplay. The music sucked too, somehow, despite being by Kenji Ito. Blah, I hate that game.

                Megaman X7. Hahaha, holy ****. I don't need to say anything else.

                To a much lesser extent, Donkey Kong Country 3. DKC1 was great, and DKC2 is one of the best platformers of all time. DKC3 is just... meh. DK64 was really ****ty too.

                DMC2 doesn't count at this point. Capcom realized how bad it was, and they've pretty much disowned it. DMC3 is basically the most badass game ever, and DMC4 looks like it will continue that tradition. I'm getting a PS3 for DMC4, if nothing else.

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                • lord_carbo
                  FFR Player
                  • Dec 2004
                  • 6222

                  #9
                  Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                  Originally posted by Squeek
                  Not purchasing a Sony console hinders my ability to play Disgaea. Plus the fact that I hate most grid-style turn-based RPGs.
                  What? Those are the only RPGs that aren't boring.

                  Originally posted by Moogy
                  Metroid Fusion. Holy **** what is that. Metroid Prime 1 and 2 were great, but Fusion was so terrible. It's an insult to Super Metroid, its predecessor.
                  If you think Metroid Fusion was terrible, you obviously haven't played MP: Hunters.

                  Originally posted by Moogy
                  Megaman X7. Hahaha, holy ****. I don't need to say anything else.

                  To a much lesser extent, Donkey Kong Country 3. DKC1 was great, and DKC2 is one of the best platformers of all time. DKC3 is just... meh. DK64 was really ****ty too.
                  Agreed. Well, not on the DK64 being ****ty part, I thought it was pretty good. The rest I can't comment on or simply disagree with.

                  Hmm, lemme think...

                  3D Castlevania games are always roadbumps in the series.

                  That's all I can think of as of now :/
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                  • YummiAyumi
                    FFR Player
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 20

                    #10
                    Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                    I view Sonic Sequals ended on sega genesis :P The next generation of Sonic games don't deserve that title...and with all the random new characters disgust me. GREAT SEQUELS: MGS

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                    • Squeek
                      let it snow~
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 14444

                      #11
                      Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                      Originally posted by lord_carbo
                      What? Those are the only RPGs that aren't boring.
                      Of the three I've played, I liked 0.

                      I played FFT and Tactics Ogre: Knight of Lodis. Don't remember the other one.

                      My favorite is realtime full-control battles. SO3 had these, Tales of Symphonia had these, and, in a 2-D sense, all of the other Tales games have had them too.

                      Tokzy, is that how it ends? I got about halfway through and lost interest. Glad it wasn't worth continuing because I've already uninstalled it.

                      Ones I discovered.

                      Tony Hawk's Pro Skater: Wow this is new and original I like it.
                      THPS 2: Didn't I already play this?
                      THPS 3: Didn't I already play this?

                      Sonic Heroes: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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                      • Tonberry_Kid
                        FFR Player
                        • May 2005
                        • 3408

                        #12
                        Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                        I think Super Mario: Sunshine did it for me with Mario games.
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                        • Chromer
                          Hookers and Blow
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 4981

                          #13
                          Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                          Ha you guys are forgetting some well known sequels:

                          Kingdom Hearts 2 - Oh Nomura-san. You make a kick-ass game but make it a mashfest with a totally crappy ending. Shame on you.

                          SSX: On Tour - OMFG How could you do this to me? You make SSX 3, the greatest snowboarding game of all time and then you release this?

                          NFSU 2 - Didn't I play this?
                          NFSMW- Didn't I play this?
                          NFSC - I haven't even played it but it's gonna be the same thing.

                          Tales of Symphonia - Horrible retake of the classics such as Tales of Phantasia and Tales of Eternia.

                          Tales of Legendia - Gay.

                          Tales of the Abyss - Sorry Moogy. THis game was even GAYER.

                          You get my point. =P

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                          • Squeek
                            let it snow~
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 14444

                            #14
                            Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                            Kingdom Hearts 2 was horrible.

                            It's a perfect example of a game belonging in this thread.

                            It was all eye-candy and nothing more. The gameplay itself was horrible. I could literally just hit X a whole bunch of times and win without looking.

                            AND THE CUTSCENES. THE CUTSCEEENES.

                            The battling was pretty, as it should be. Drive was cool. Gameplay just wasn't up to par with the original. WAY too many cutscenes.

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                            • Moogy
                              嗚呼
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 10303

                              #15
                              Re: Sequels that ruined the spirit of the Franchise

                              KH sucked bad too. KH2 just sucked worse.

                              ToS is awesome. ToL is gay. TotA is the best Tales game.
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