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  • MilfeulleSakuraba
    Ryoko Shintani is #1!
    • Feb 2006
    • 403
    #1

    TWG XXXV Postgame

    Humans blew ass this game. Wilkin and Jurs were your two surviving wolves. The only wolf to get voted off was Guido and even then getting him was sheer dumb luck. Shame ap got banned on the last day, but I was sick of finding subs at that point.

    Cypher and ap were who they said they were, obviously.

    MVP to the FoJaR/Jurs tandem.

    Tass had his postgame post written up a week ago. I can't wait to see this.

    In case anyone's curious, here's how the lottery picks were distributed. You'll notice that, with the way I set it up, everyone's picks actually mattered, rather than keeping the roster order and making only one person's selection matter.

    Night 1

    Tasselfoot (Randy Foye): Tass
    talisman (Patrick O'Bryant): talisman
    FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick): N/A
    GuidoHunter (Saer Sene): Tass
    FoJaR (Shelden Williams): Tass
    flypie743 (Rudy Gay): ap
    Shashakiro (Cedric Simmons): Tass
    Tps222 (Tyrus Thomas): ap
    CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge): Fish
    iggymatrixcounter (Rodney Carney): talisman
    Kefit (Brandon Roy): Kefit
    blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong): ap
    Omeganitros (Andrea Bargnani): Tass
    aperson (Adam Morrison): ap
    Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer): Kefit
    Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha): Tass

    Tass: 6/16 (1-6)
    ap: 4/16 (7-10)
    Kefit: 2/16 (11-12)
    talisman: 2/16 (13-14)
    Fish: 1/16 (15)
    None: 1/16 (16)

    Roll: 15 (Fish) (Witness: none)
    Wolves pick: talisman

    Night 2

    Tasselfoot (Randy Foye): Tass
    FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick): ap
    GuidoHunter (Saer Sene): Tass
    JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams): Tass
    flypie743 (Rudy Gay): Kefit
    Shashakiro (Cedric Simmons): Tass
    CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge): ap
    StoicRoivaS (Rodney Carney): Tass
    Kefit (Brandon Roy): Kefit
    blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong)
    Omeganitros (Andrea Bargnani): flypie
    aperson (Adam Morrison): ap
    Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer): Afro
    Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha): Tass

    Tass: 6/14 (1-6)
    ap: 3/14 (7-9)
    Kefit: 2/14 (10-11)
    Afro: 1/14 (12)
    flypie: 1/14 (13)
    None: 1/14 (14)
    Dice roll: 10 (Kefit) (Witness: eb)
    Wolves pick: Kefit

    Night 3

    FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick): ap
    GuidoHunter (Saer Sene): ap
    JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams): ap
    flypie743 (Rudy Gay): ap
    CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge): Kefit
    StoicRoivaS (Rodney Carney): ap
    Kefit (Brandon Roy): Kefit
    blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong): blah
    Omeganitros (Andrea Bargnani): ap
    aperson (Adam Morrison): ap
    Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer): Afro
    Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha): ap

    ap: 8/12 (1-8)
    Kefit: 2/12 (9-10)
    Afro: 1/12 (11)
    blah: 1/12 (12)
    Lottery pick: 11 (Afro) (Witness: Kenzya)
    Wolves pick: Kefit

    Night 4

    FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick): ap
    JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams): ap
    flypie743 (Rudy Gay): None
    sertman (LaMarcus Aldridge): ap
    StoicRoivaS (Rodney Carney): ap
    blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong): blah
    Omeganitros (Andrea Bargnani): ap
    aperson (Adam Morrison): ap
    Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer): ap
    Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha): ap

    ap: 8/10 (1-8)
    blah: 1/10 (9)
    None: 1/10 (10)
    Winning number: 5 (ap)
    Wolves pick: Stoic

    Night 5

    FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick): ap
    JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams): ap
    flypie743 (Rudy Gay): ap
    CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge): ap
    blahblah18 (Hilton Armstrong): None
    aperson (Adam Morrison): ap
    Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer): ap
    Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha): ap

    ap: 7/8 (1-7)
    None: 1/8 (8)
    winning number: 2 (ap)
    Wolves pick: blah

    Night 6

    FishFishRevolution (J.J. Redick): ap
    JurseyRider734 (Shelden Williams): ap
    CypherToorima (LaMarcus Aldridge): ap
    aperson (Adam Morrison): ap
    Afrobean (Ronnie Brewer): ap
    Wilkin (Thabo Sefolosha): ap
    No Dice Roll

    Wolves kill: Afrobean

    The braying and neighing of barnyard animals follows.
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    • Afrobean
      Admiral in the Red Army
      • Dec 2003
      • 13262
      #2
      Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

      >:|

      I don't really have a whole lot to say right now.

      All I have is this: ap, you ****ing suck for getting banned.

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        • GuidoHunter
          is against custom titles
          • Oct 2003
          • 7371
          #3
          Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

          Uh, MVP should go to Guido, dude.

          --Guido

          http://andy.mikee385.com

          Originally posted by Grandiagod
          Originally posted by Grandiagod
          She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
          Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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            • CypherToorima
              Boss of all bosses
              • Jul 2003
              • 2452
              #4
              Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

              gg wolves =/

              I wonder who ap would have voted.
              I'm a figantic gaggot

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                • JurseyRider734
                  lil j the bad b-word
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 7506
                  #5
                  Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                  Woo hoo first MVP 8)

                  We TRIED (or at least I did) to get Guido to be active...no luck. I got people to call him, I IM'd him...but whatever. He would have been useful for guard picks later in the game but otherwise he was just kind of...nothing.

                  To whoever thought our kills were stupid: They really weren't. I don't recall knowing blah was going to be lynched the day after he was wolfed, because he had posted that he and aperson always talked, etc. Wilkin and I usually thorougly talked through our wolf kills...except when he wasn't online. We were really confused the night we killed Afrobean. We didn't know whether or not to take our chances and kill aperson, kill Fish, or kill Afro. I wanted to kill Fish, but then Wilkin and I talked more about it and decided on Afro.

                  The only bad thing is...now i'm going to have more of a problem convicing people i'm a human when I AM a human. Before I was a really sucky wolf and it wasn't hard to notice that, but most of you were convinced I was a human this game. Oh well.

                  I'll probably post more when I think more about this...this is just what's coming off the top of my head right now.
                  Originally posted by Arch0wl
                  I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

                  Originally posted by Afrobean
                  Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
                  the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
                  Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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                    • GuidoHunter
                      is against custom titles
                      • Oct 2003
                      • 7371
                      #6
                      Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                      OmegaNoxim (11:36:45 PM): How much of the inactiveness was on purpose?
                      ElSoyokaze (11:37:14 PM): I went through three stages of inactivity.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:37:19 PM): First: genuinely busy.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:37:45 PM): Second: Inactivity can't raise suspicion (this was the purposeful type)
                      ElSoyokaze (11:38:00 PM): Third: Was SO inactive that I completely lost touch with the game.
                      OmegaNoxim (11:38:09 PM): Hahahaha
                      ElSoyokaze (11:38:28 PM): The third part was slightly on purpose, but only because getting back into the game was such a daunting task that my apathy and sloth kicked in.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:38:43 PM): You were so dead on to me.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:38:49 PM): There was one thing you should have done.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:38:56 PM): erm, done, though.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:39:15 PM): And that was go back to the postgame where I was last an inactive wolf.
                      ElSoyokaze (11:39:54 PM): I clearly stated in that postgame that if I were EVER that inactive in a game that you should immediately lynch me, because I'm never that inactive as a human.

                      --Guido

                      http://andy.mikee385.com

                      Originally posted by Grandiagod
                      Originally posted by Grandiagod
                      She has an asshole, in other pics you can see a diaper taped to her dead twin's back.
                      Sentences I thought I never would have to type.

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                        • Afrobean
                          Admiral in the Red Army
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 13262
                          #7
                          Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                          Originally posted by jurs
                          I wanted to kill Fish, but then Wilkin and I talked more about it and decided on Afro.
                          The wolves would have lost if Fish had been wolfed. Wilkin would have been lynched in place of fish, and from then on, it'd be 2 confirmed humans versus 1 wolf. Even if you had managed to kill ap the night after that, you'd still have me and cypher and I highly doubt I'd get lynched (which is why I'm so ****ing surprised it took you people until the last night to wolf me).

                          And blah wasn't the only bad kill. Who was the other one that would have easily been lynched the next day if they hadn't been wolfed? I think it was the day after Guido got lynched. I dont know... this game went on way too long...

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                            • talisman
                              Resident Penguin
                              FFR Simfile Author
                              • May 2003
                              • 4598
                              #8
                              Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                              I thought jurs was obvious as hell, as was fojar. of course I had a bit more info than most at that point, but still. Did no one notice jurs' hesitation that last day? She was like "uh I'm going to either vote to save wilkin if it's 2-1 or vote to lynch him if it's 3-0".

                              And shash was OBVIOUSLY human. I don't understand how everyone got caught up in that one.

                              omega was the only one who was on the money all game as a human.

                              Humans lost out of laziness... fish was not playing his normal game, blah was out of it, ap got banned, cypher never took control, tass got himself lynched, etc.

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                                • JurseyRider734
                                  lil j the bad b-word
                                  • Aug 2003
                                  • 7506
                                  #9
                                  Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                  Originally posted by Afrobean
                                  The wolves would have lost if Fish had been wolfed. Wilkin would have been lynched in place of fish, and from then on, it'd be 2 confirmed humans versus 1 wolf. Even if you had managed to kill ap the night after that, you'd still have me and cypher and I highly doubt I'd get lynched (which is why I'm so ****ing surprised it took you people until the last night to wolf me).

                                  And blah wasn't the only bad kill. Who was the other one that would have easily been lynched the next day if they hadn't been wolfed? I think it was the day after Guido got lynched. I dont know... this game went on way too long...
                                  I forget why I wanted to wolf Fish.

                                  Also, we kept you alive for a reason. You tried to lead everyone in the wrong direction every single day. We decided to keep a number of people alive for that reason. We kept blah alive for a while because people were suspicious of his "i'm a wolf" thing. I distinctly remember saying to wilkin "we're keeping alive afro, blah (and a few more people I forget)". Wilkin actually wanted to try and kill ap, but I'm glad we didn't because he got banned and that worked to our advantage. So did his vigi on Shash. You and him were probably the main reasons why we won. People thought you were human (knew he was human) and you both put suspicion on people who weren't wolves. The only time I had suspicion put on me was when aperson said that dumb people would wolf blah and flypie and I were dumb...but he voted flypie. blah wasn't a BAD kill, we just didn't think he was going to get lynched the next day because we thought he was allied with aperson. Some of the other kills you might have thought were "bad", but we didn't. They obviously worked out in our favor. Sometimes there wasn't anyone else to pick from because we had a handful of people we definitely wanted to keep alive. We were just lucky Cypher wasn't too active.
                                  Originally posted by Arch0wl
                                  I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

                                  Originally posted by Afrobean
                                  Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
                                  the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
                                  Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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                                    • JurseyRider734
                                      lil j the bad b-word
                                      • Aug 2003
                                      • 7506
                                      #10
                                      Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                      Also, yeah I agree with the whole lynching thing, talisman. I was waiting for one more vote on Fish to insta him..but it never happened...so I put a vote on him with some evidence in hopes to convince ap or Cypher to vote for him. I was just extremely lucky this game (including the KiB-deal, because I was the witness 8)).
                                      Originally posted by Arch0wl
                                      I'd better be considering I own roughly six textbooks on logic and have taken courses involving its extensive use

                                      Originally posted by Afrobean
                                      Originally Posted by JurseyRider734
                                      the fact that you're resorting to threatening physical violence says a lot anyway.
                                      Just that you're a piece of shit who can't see reason and instead deserves a fucking beating.

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                                        • Afrobean
                                          Admiral in the Red Army
                                          • Dec 2003
                                          • 13262
                                          #11
                                          Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                          ...

                                          leaving a confirmed human (or even an assumed human) alive that far in the game is a bad idea. It doesn't matter if we're being vocal about lynching the wrong people, because in the end, it'll be you versus a bunch of assumed humans. You got lucky that **** with fish happened (partly cypher's fault for even bringing it up in the first place the night before) and ap got banned. Just imagine if you came into what was the last day with cypher and ap confirmed human, and fish and I assumed human. That's a force of four against you two. You'd have lost for sure. Basically, fish and I should have been wolfed long before this happened, but your victory was made possible by fish stupidly being lynched (even barely lynched ugh) and the fact that ap had been banned.

                                          Originally posted by jurs
                                          I forget why I wanted to wolf Fish.
                                          It was because before Cypher mentioned it, Fish was pretty much accepted as human, likely because of the evidence of his humanity I presented (him voting to lynch someone, then that person being stupidly lynched the next day). He was able to not be wolfed the last day because cypher casted some doubt on fish and it served as a perfect opportunity to more easily lynch someone human.

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                                            • Shashakiro
                                              TWO THOUZAND COMBO
                                              FFR Simfile Author
                                              • Aug 2005
                                              • 9082
                                              #12
                                              Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                              I'd just like to say that this game was INCREDIBLY biased against the wolves, simply because of how the endgame plays out. It's effectively a guardian that can never be killed + wolfsbane, so two confirmed humans who can't die...meaning that if humans get 2/3 wolves it's gg. The wolves only managed to win because the humans screwed up in basically every single way possible. 4 wolves would've been a lot more balanced IMO...eh, whatever. It was fun while it lasted, I'll definitely be signing up for more of these.

                                              Tass, post =P

                                              EDIT: Jurs, the only kill I thought was questionable was the Stoic kill...it looked like he was definitely on the chopping block for the next day, so I'm not sure why you wolfed him.
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                                              use ur bain. Itz there for a reason.

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                                                • CypherToorima
                                                  Boss of all bosses
                                                  • Jul 2003
                                                  • 2452
                                                  #13
                                                  Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                                  @ people who are kinda blaming me for putting suspicion on fish.

                                                  the only two people who voted him in the end were wolves. that was probably going to happen anyways.

                                                  oh well, I'm getting better at reading people.
                                                  I'm a figantic gaggot

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                                                    • Kilgamayan
                                                      Super Scooter Happy
                                                      FFR Simfile Author
                                                      • Feb 2003
                                                      • 6583
                                                      #14
                                                      Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                                      Originally posted by Shashakiro
                                                      I'd just like to say that this game was INCREDIBLY biased against the wolves, simply because of how the endgame plays out. It's effectively a guardian that can never be killed + wolfsbane, so two confirmed humans who can't die...meaning that if humans get 2/3 wolves it's gg. The wolves only managed to win because the humans screwed up in basically every single way possible. 4 wolves would've been a lot more balanced IMO...eh, whatever.
                                                      The endgame doesn't necessarily have to play out that way. What if the vigilante gets killed before people know he's the vigilante? That only leaves the wolfsbane, who trades the anonymity of their invincible status for the knowledge that everyone else is fair game (barring a lottery guard), which allowes the wolves to stifle pretty much anyone they want to because odds are the lottery isn't going to be overly organized.

                                                      Also, I found it funny that Wilkin publicized the elaborate bait-and-switch plan using the lottery guards about 12 hours after blah came up with it. blah was so pissed XD
                                                      I watched clouds awobbly from the floor o' that kayak. Souls cross ages like clouds cross skies, an' tho' a cloud's shape nor hue nor size don't stay the same, it's still a cloud an' so is a soul. Who can say where the cloud's blowed from or who the soul'll be 'morrow? Only Sonmi the east an' the west an' the compass an' the atlas, yay, only the atlas o' clouds.

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                                                        • sertman
                                                          DADALADAH
                                                          FFR Simfile Author
                                                          • Jun 2005
                                                          • 3910
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: TWG XXXV Postgame

                                                          DAMNIT JURS I WAS ON TO YOU TOO

                                                          i knew it i knew it i knew it

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