TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

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  • leetic
    FFR Player
    • Apr 2020
    • 7
    #676
    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

    Originally posted by the sun fan
    someone punch me really hard and tell me why we shouldn't sleep
    For one, no lynch is off

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      • leetic
        FFR Player
        • Apr 2020
        • 7
        #677
        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

        Honestly sun fan might just be boxed in at this point

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          • the sun fan
            FFR Player
            • Mar 2017
            • 655
            #678
            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

            Originally posted by leetic
            For one, no lynch is off
            ah piss
            TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

            FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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              • the sun fan
                FFR Player
                • Mar 2017
                • 655
                #679
                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                Originally posted by leetic
                Honestly sun fan might just be boxed in at this point
                nuh uh
                TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                  • Arapocalypse
                    FFR Player
                    • May 2021
                    • 11
                    #680
                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                    Originally posted by the sun fan
                    I know that sven thinks it would be me in the world but like
                    this really sounds like a hakuplan, and one where he just lives by virtue of being left alive by not being voted rather than one where he fake-distances from his partner

                    (honestly I think haku is more likely to actually vote me if we're together but I'd probably tell him not to in wolfchat? maybe this is too complicated and too much conjecture to really solidly say)
                    Not going to lie, I lowkey probably dislike you starting to agree with it more because like... it just feels too easy to fuel the flames? Especially when the very strong Haku townread was practically the first thing you posted in the game!!



                    Granted, sure I don't have the meta knowledge that you do, but still; just am not that into your reaction here!!!

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                      • the sun fan
                        FFR Player
                        • Mar 2017
                        • 655
                        #681
                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                        well, leetic has ruined any chance I have at saving the game while sleeping

                        realistically, I think the wagon is most likely to develop onto me next, and that sucks and town might be so desperate as to not be able to really withstand it
                        TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                        FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                          • the sun fan
                            FFR Player
                            • Mar 2017
                            • 655
                            #682
                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                            sven level with me
                            how likely are we to end up voting for the same person here

                            like if I vote lar, leetic or ara because haku died of hypothermia or whatever
                            TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                            FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                              • leetic
                                FFR Player
                                • Apr 2020
                                • 7
                                #683
                                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                Originally posted by the sun fan
                                well, leetic has ruined any chance I have at saving the game while sleeping

                                realistically, I think the wagon is most likely to develop onto me next, and that sucks and town might be so desperate as to not be able to really withstand it
                                You might want to claim by EoD if you have a PR

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                                  • the sun fan
                                    FFR Player
                                    • Mar 2017
                                    • 655
                                    #684
                                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                    Originally posted by leetic
                                    You might want to claim by EoD if you have a PR
                                    I assure you that if I am a PR and a wagon develops on me, I will have claimed by EOD
                                    TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                                    FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                                      • Arapocalypse
                                        FFR Player
                                        • May 2021
                                        • 11
                                        #685
                                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                        Originally posted by Hateandhatred
                                        GOD THANK YOU

                                        I love you so much.

                                        And well, Yes I'm willing to iso him from the start of the game, scrutinizing every post, but I want to reiterate that I don't scumread him for his interactions, only this isolated situations, which set off all the alarms possible in my mind.

                                        If you want the iso, I will go through it and try to think of it from both angle and not just build a narrative I promise. I had no flags on haku at all myself, but if you want interaction evidence, I will look into it.
                                        On one hand I want to say I'd be interested, but on the other I don't think you really have time for that, at the moment!!!


                                        Maybe if you live today, would you consider doing it tonight? That being said you're under absolutely no obligation to do so and I won't suspect you more or whatever for saying no; it's entirely possible one or both of you could die tonight anyway!!

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                                          • Arapocalypse
                                            FFR Player
                                            • May 2021
                                            • 11
                                            #686
                                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                            Originally posted by Arapocalypse
                                            On one hand I want to say I'd be interested, but on the other I don't think you really have time for that, at the moment!!!


                                            Maybe if you live today, would you consider doing it tonight? That being said you're under absolutely no obligation to do so and I won't suspect you more or whatever for saying no; it's entirely possible one or both of you could die tonight anyway!!
                                            Actually sorry, I feel sort of mean for suggesting that when there's a fair chance it wouldn't be worth your while anyway!!!

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                                              • the sun fan
                                                FFR Player
                                                • Mar 2017
                                                • 655
                                                #687
                                                Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                                I'm just gonna try speedrunning not w/w interactions
                                                I'll try to pay attention in real time too
                                                I'm a little desperate to find something worth pursuing
                                                TWG Stats: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

                                                FFR is a pretty good place somehow.

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                                                  • Hateandhatred
                                                    "The Quebec Steparatist."
                                                    FFR Simfile Author
                                                    • Feb 2011
                                                    • 1974
                                                    #688
                                                    Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                                    Originally posted by Arapocalypse
                                                    [edited your post down to relevant parts]

                                                    I don't necessarily want to get into this too much, as I want to avoid letting this discussion to consume the thread; that being said, I do want to make one last effort to explain my reasoning and then I'll drop it!!!

                                                    Consider these hypothetical worst-case scenarios from the perspective of a vanilla town Haku, if you would:

                                                    A: Haku votes no one as Vengeful Spirit and, keeping in mind both me/Leetic had loudly proclaimed to be very very hard townreading them, still manages to get voted off - you've talked about this one already, and yes this would end the game!

                                                    B: Haku votes sunfan to put two votes on sunfan, then sunfan claims Freikugel and mafia out to hammer sunfan, which ends the game!

                                                    From Haku's perspective, my/leetic's strong townreads on Haku meant that Scenario A is just so much less likely to occur than Scenario B that it simply is not worth considering for them, is my main point!!!

                                                    Sure, Scenario B is not necessarily that likely, but if Haku is vanilla town than B is already more likely than A anyways, so better to be on the safe side and not vote to prevent B from happening!!

                                                    Honestly I would be shocked if Scenario A even occurred to Haku at all at the time they popped in, they just have never been in danger of getting voted out at all this game!!!!

                                                    Also, technically there's Scenario C where Haku votes some other non-leetic/sunfan person, but why do that if you (Haku) have strong townreads on everyone who isn't sunfan, and there's already 1 person voting sunfan anyway?

                                                    Anyways, if this doesn't make sense to you then sorry, I'm leaving it at that; I'm spending way too much time on this already anyways, rewritten it half a dozen times probably!!!!
                                                    B: You're forgetting the context of B, though. This vote was never going to stick.

                                                    It's of course never impossible that Haku is town, but unless someone does an uncontested hard PR claim, that's just not going to happen.

                                                    and as for Haku not thinking about it, I understand you believe it, but I don't believe that can be true due to experience with this person in my life where there's no way this is the timeline.

                                                    I appreciate your comments though, and I do think the "if haku actually thought the vote on sunfan counted" is a sensible argument. However, I don't think there is anything anyone could possibly say that that would drop him from the most likely wolf in my eyes because of this.

                                                    That being said, I'd really like for you (not just ara, but everyone) to understand that I'm so sure of this that I'm willing the attack the afk person over it, knowing full well that that's the most sus thing to do, and if you think *I* didn't think of that and just did the most blind play ever, then I'm just going to take the L and stop fighting.
                                                    Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                                                      • Hateandhatred
                                                        "The Quebec Steparatist."
                                                        FFR Simfile Author
                                                        • Feb 2011
                                                        • 1974
                                                        #689
                                                        Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                                        Originally posted by the sun fan
                                                        sven level with me
                                                        how likely are we to end up voting for the same person here

                                                        like if I vote lar, leetic or ara because haku died of hypothermia or whatever
                                                        I'm not going to end EOD on haku alone obviously. I'm going to try to vote someone else if it comes to that. I think we're making a stupid mistake, but we can always nail the other one
                                                        Forgot where I put my old sig lol

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                                                          • Arapocalypse
                                                            FFR Player
                                                            • May 2021
                                                            • 11
                                                            #690
                                                            Re: TWG Turbo 37: Der Freischütz [GAME THREAD]

                                                            Originally posted by the sun fan
                                                            well, leetic has ruined any chance I have at saving the game while sleeping

                                                            realistically, I think the wagon is most likely to develop onto me next, and that sucks and town might be so desperate as to not be able to really withstand it
                                                            Well... I was going to move back to you, then saw I was already voting you, oops!! Non-zero chance I could just be pocketed by Hate here, but I'm starting to lean more into the idea that their conviction here is just real, even if I still have significant issues with their logic!!



                                                            Consider my vote on you more solid then, in that case!!!

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