What's with the hostility towards Christians?

[Squeek]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Well, I am Christian, but I will come at this point from an outside perspective.

Personally, I believe that religions as a whole state that there is a definite right or wrong. The idea of a definite right or wrong means that not everything people do is ok. Which is against our nature. We want to be ok with what we are and everything we do and not be judged in any way, shape or form. The idea that something would judge us out of our control is unappealing to say the least.

So, obviously, the most simple way of avoiding this within our own minds is to completely deny its existence. Ideas such as "seeing is believing" and such make that easy in our minds to simply say nothing exists because we have not personally seen it. Although, there is hypocrisy in that seeing as how we believe in many things we are just told and have not yet seen. (Such as nearly everyone believes that there is a Taj Mahal and yet very few of us have actually seen it) But, at the same time, there is arguable hypocrisy within and standpoint we take. So, the easiest way out is to not take a stand and just ignore the existence of all of it.

No offense, but this is a horrible argument.

The expression you are using is completely misused. "You have to see it to believe it" is used when something goes against our natural beliefs. I don't deny that there's a palace in India. That's not hard to believe. There are lots of palaces in India. There are lots of palaces around the world. Why would it be difficult for me to believe it? Telling me that there's a being in the sky that governs what we do? That's difficult for me to believe.

To touch on what you were trying to argue, the reason I know the Taj Mahal exists is because we have multiple recorded sources of its existence. Its existence is a known fact. The only sources we have of any kind of "God" is based on unproven writings from thousands of years ago. None of these people saw this "God" fellow. They 'heard' him. Well, lots of people hear voices in their heads. They're called 'insane'. Why do you treat these people with much higher regard than the average schizo?

And to the OP, the last three posts are touching on why there's hostility toward Christians. Faith-based measures impede on society. You believe what you want to believe, but when push comes to shove, you stay out of our business. That's the deal we struck when we started this country, because we knew involving religion into government was a slippery slope.

[tofurox]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Actually, to be 100% honest. None of this has ever happened to me (and I'm Catholic). I mean, in reality Jews are made fun of WAY more.

"Oh... he's such a Jew!" "Look at his Jew fro!" "OMG can his noes even fit in his mouth?" "Do you have to wear one of those special caps?" "The Holocaust is a hoax!".... And even more prominant than that is racism, especially to Mexicans/Blacks.
From all my years living on this here planet we call Earth, I have yet to hear someone insult Christians outside of the internet. In fact, even on the internet it's a scarcity.

Actually, my friends are mostly Christian, and everyone else I see, will either never talk about religion, or if they do they'll say something good about Christians.

Well there are some people who tell you you're going to hell etc. But usually they have valid reason for their consensus. I can hardly think of any reason to bash us anyways.


And yo Chacha, maybe you hear about all this stuff on 4-Chan, but at our school this has never happened. Those 4-Chan bastards might say things like that, but in the real world.... And heck, my other friends haven't seen this either. And as for the internet, on my other forum sites this hasen't come yet either. But, if on the off chanc e it does happen to you, all you gotta do is prove them wrong. Like I said, there is no "legitimate" reason to hate us.

“Those who hate me without reason outnumber the hairs of my head; many are my enemies without cause, those who seek to destroy me”

I mean ok, you do hear people talking about gays, but it is usually Christians who disprove of them, or anyone who disproves of them. I can't say I've too many pro-gays at school or on the internet who use it as a way to bash Christians either.

[GuidoHunter]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Actually, to be 100% honest. None of this has ever happened to me (and I'm Catholic).

You didn't grow up in Waco. My family (as Catholics, even) got told we were going to hell for not being Christians.

Anyway, Y'all are doing pretty well to keep this on topic and reasonable, but this thread's topic is stacked against it, so do try especially hard when responding to stay on topic, lest the thread be locked.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

[Grandiagod]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

You didn't grow up in Waco. My family (as Catholics, even) got told we were going to hell for not being Christians.

Anyway, Y'all are doing pretty well to keep this on topic and reasonable, but this thread's topic is stacked against it, so do try especially hard when responding to stay on topic, lest the thread be locked.

--Guido

http://andy.mikee385.com

Don't tempt me.

Really.

Nothing would make me happier.

[Crashfan3]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Might as well give my two cents.

While I do believe that there is a higher power out there somewhere that can control our existence, I don't prefer to be labeled as a "Christian". I find most of the Christian practices as absurd and unnecessary.

And I'd like to bring this up: say there's this guy born in a dump in some third-world country. He goes about his life doing what little he can to survive. Grabbing food scraps and coins off of the streets, etc. He dies at the age of 21 from malnutrition. He never learned to read or write, he never learned about God, and he never accepted Christ. Does this mean that this man is by default condemned to the flames of Hell?

[Tired_Old_Man]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Christianity has led to thousands of people being tortured to death. I mean they used to burn people alive as slowly as they possibly could. I don't care that all these things were in the past. Christianity has proven itself to be pure evil and the fact that god didn't intervene in these atrocity's that were done in his name proves that he isn't even there.

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Aren't Christians the ones that zealously try to convert everyone to their faith without any care or understanding of the current beliefs of any given person of any given religion?

So according to them the world revolves around Christians and everyone else can go to hell (quite literally).

Sounds like an elitist schoolgirl clique attitude to me.

Maybe Christians should respect the beliefs of others before expecting others to respect their beliefs.

Hey wait that sounds familiar doesn't it.

Isn't it so painfully obvious now?

most people who don't believe in anything at all are lost and couldnt care less about their life

k that makes sense.

definately

too bad Christianity doesn't teach you how to spell

makes the earth a better place.

tell that to the hundreds of millions of people who have, over the course of human history, been slaughtered over religious conflict.

[devonin]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Aren't Christians the ones that zealously try to convert everyone to their faith without any care or understanding of the current beliefs of any given person of any given religion?

Keep the incredibly sweeping generalizations out of the thread please.

The percentage of highly evangelical christians as compared to all christians is incredibly small. Trying to describe "all" christians by the actions of a vocal minority is akin to judgeing all Americans by the actions of the NRA, or all Irish by the actions of the IRA.

[dore]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

And I'd like to bring this up: say there's this guy born in a dump in some third-world country. He goes about his life doing what little he can to survive. Grabbing food scraps and coins off of the streets, etc. He dies at the age of 21 from malnutrition. He never learned to read or write, he never learned about God, and he never accepted Christ. Does this mean that this man is by default condemned to the flames of Hell?

no

That's pretty straightforward out of the bible, look up questions like that on the internet because most of the questions like that that uninformed people make to try to trap the bible in its own logic are actually stated quite clearly in the bible, just no one bothers to look.

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

hurrr call me out on generalizations but not bolth mannn k.

also it should have been understood that when I referred to Christians I was exclusively referring to proselytizing Christians because they're the ones who have most hatred directed at them, which is what the thread is about, which is what my post was about.

maybe it wasn't clear ?_?

ps. Any religious belief can be diluted and summarized to look equally as ludicrous

ie. once upon a time this dude created light by just talking about it, even in the vacuum of nothingness where his voice couldn't have been carried because he hadn't made anything else yet, then he made other stuff like planets, and people, and plants. We dunno how or why it happened but all we know is it did, and we talk to him all the time about our lives because we are sure he's paying attention.

[devonin]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

maybe it wasn't clear ?_?

If you mean "Only proselytizing Christians" you shouldn't say "all christians" since not all christians are proselytizing christians. Clarity!

hurrr call me out on generalizations but not bolth mannn k.

I went back over both of his posts to this thread, and didn't see any sweping generalizations, especially not on par with "all christians X"

[MinaciousGrace]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

p. sure I didn't use the word all in my post but w/e it's understood now.

also bolth mannn's whole non believers are lost and don't care about their lives thing etc etc.

[Tokzic]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

christianity teaches you to be on a good path, to have respect for your own life. for all I know the bible could be the biggest conspiracy in the world, but it sure helps the youth of the world understand themselves and have respect for their own wel-being. You never see proper christians involved in suicides, violent rampages, drunk bashing, or being on Ice or anything of the sort.

Why do you make crap like this up? That is unbelievably wrong. Two seconds of Googling shows:

1) "Followers of religions that strongly prohibit suicide, like Christianity and Islam, have a higher suicide rate than those religions which have no strong prohibition (e.g. Buddhism and Hinduism.)"

2) "A study showed that the most "Christian' parts of the United States, the South and Midwest, have the highest rates of social ills and crime including murder, sexually transmitted diseases, mortality and so forth. The study also showed that the United States as a whole has far higher rates of crime and social ills than the rest of the developed world including all of Europe. The US is much more "Christian" than civilized nations."

Surprise, christianity doesn't do anything to instill morals or make you good people.

You seem to think that being religious gives you a moral leg up, or helps you be more happy about life than you would be as a non-religious person, but that's kind of funny to hear. Non-religious people establish morals, just like you do, but they do so based on rationalization and their own actual feelings, rather than "here's what you do, now do it". If people decide they want to kill someone, that is not a lack of faith, that's a lack of rational. And there's no getting around that there's no rationality in faith. The numbers prove it.

most people who don't believe in anything at all are lost and couldnt care less about their life, always wondering if theres anything more. christianity gives you that hope. it helps you believe that your on earth for a reason. god* might not be real, but it definately makes the earth a better place.

Once again, you're saying things with no backbone as fact. No, most people who don't believe in supernatural things are actually more content and in-touch with themselves than your average christian because they are actually listening to themselves and hard fact as their authorities. Unlike religious people, non-religious find enjoyment on this plane of life, without putting a blind hope into thinking that's not all. I think that this would enhance my enjoyment of this life, and from what I've observed, compared to the religious, it does.

[flipsta_lombax]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

I think Christianity is easily attacked because one, it's the most popular religion. When religion comes in topic, everyone has an opinion upon it, most thinking their opinion is definite and accurate, shunning those who has a counteracting one. It's also because most opinions suggest that scripture shouldn't determine what he or she has to do, nor be told where to go if what he or she has done is not good.

My two cents on this is faith. Whatever you feel is right to you, that's fine. It doesn't mean it's also fine for someone else. Some base it on how they grew up and how their parents raised them up to be. If they were born in a strongly religious family, most likely an offspring will be accustomed to that lifestyle. It also goes for a family who never practiced religion.

A person tends to prejudice on what they hear, not by their own personal experience. So when someone hears that 'Christian people forces their religion on people', he or she will react. And most likely, what they hear they will execute towards others.

The only sources we have of any kind of "God" is based on unproven writings from thousands of years ago. None of these people saw this "God" fellow. They 'heard' him.

These people as you mean as the disciples did not just hear him. They followed him and his teachings, hence why there is a New Testament.

EDIT: Oh, when it comes to saying "existence unproven until one sees it", when was that ever the case for something to exist if we can't see, touch, or even hear it? Take love for example.

[DossarLX ODI]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

No matter what you do, even if you're famous for good deeds or amazing talents, there will always be some ugly talk from some haters (jealousy)