What's with the hostility towards Christians?

[flipsta_lombax]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

They followed some guy who claimed he could hear God.

Do you follow people in New York who claim they can hear God?

I wasn't talking about the 12 disciples either. I'm talking about everyone in the Bible. They all hear God. God never teleports himself down to them to talk face to face. God talks through burning shubbery and things like that.

My point is simple. People today claiming to hear God? They're insane. That mother who stoned her two children to death because God told her to? We filed her as clinically insane. But two thousand years ago, those people are PROPHETS! They're doing God's work!

Lol, I don't even know where to start. First, I wouldn't follow "people" who claim they hear God, but I'd probably be curious enough to ask them what they heard. And that "some guy" is also God. His son, Jesus Christ, the right hand of the Father, etc etc.

Jesus is not a man. Because of the way he was brought out and lived his life, He is also God.

And if people claim to hear God, that's cool, I'd consider it a blessing. But if it comes to doing things such as stoning your kids, they probably thought it was God talking to them. There are other things that can be heard in your head, but it doesn't mean it came from a good source, if you get my drift.

[YaBoySM]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Jesus is not a man. Because of the way he was brought out and lived his life, He is also God.

This made me LOL. Because Jesus when he was on Earth he made a prayer (it's in the Bible, I can't remember where off the top of my head) towards God. So if Jesus was God why would he pray to himself? Jesus is actualy God's son

[NFD]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Who doesn't pray to themself.

[StringsnKeys]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

dore, you fail. I think a lot of people look at religion the wrong way. Religion is ridiculous. Period. Does that mean there is no God. No. Personally, I believe that there may be something, far beyond anything we understand out there. perhaps, we will find it one day, and we will understand. Maybe there isn't. However, religion is a simply the link between humans, and whatever we think may be out there. There is no need to make up stories, there is no need to preach. There's no point in trying to prove to someone that there is or isn't a God, or that there are or aren't aliens. I'm with a lot of other people when I say that religion is just a form of mind control. However, the idea that we should be nice to each other, respect each other, not go out and kill each other. These are good principles. Shouldn't need a book to tell us that. The idea that there may be something else out there, sure. Take that, "something else", and put it into whatever form you want. Making a club, and telling everyone you have the answers when you're just as clueless as the rest of the world.....that......that is why people hate religion.

[Tokzic]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Careful, here. Religion claims truth where science does not because of their respective fields. Religion can claim truth because it deals with God himself, or other supernatural places/beings/whathaveyou. God, being God, knows all and tells us what's up, and that's where the truth comes from; it's not from the mere fact that constructs are untestable.

Science doesn't claim truth because that's not what it does or is intended to do, not because it might be wrong. Science always knows it might be wrong and even loves being wrong, because disproving things is an integral part of the scientific method. It deals with evidence and the scientific method. Truth doesn't fit in anywhere in science's realm, and ignoring it is far from some base CYA excuse.

Of course science doesn't claim truth. It is preposterous to proclaim you know the truth because, as I said earlier in the thread, there are very few things that you can truly know. Here, let me make a list of them:

1. I exist.

That's it. Every other fact of life can be questioned in some way that provides a possibility of that fact being false. For example: the fact that there is a computer keyboard under my fingertips right now. Can I trust my sensory inputs to tell me that this is in fact true? People hallucinate all the time (note: this isn't necessarily a truth either), how am I to know that this keyboard is one highly advanced hallucination?

The point is, questioning beyond a point is impractical, hence belief beyond a reasonable doubt = knowledge. When we say we "know" something, we're actually saying, "This information has such a small chance of being false given my situation that I am going to assume it is true."

Science doesn't proclaim it has truth because it'd be nonsensical to do so. However, what science DOES do, is proclaim it has what is most likely to be true. That's what the scientific method is for - from observational evidence, to constantly weed out the false and increase the chance of having true information, forever and ever.

Religion has none of this. Religion skips over the observational evidence step, claims it has the truth you want, and provides absolutely no reason whatsoever, insisting instead that you ignore your logical thinking, turn off your brain.

The likelihood that this universe is a giant video game simulation in an arcade on a different plane, the likelihood that there is a blue alien living in my closet, and the likelihood that any religion in the world has it right are all equal, and all miniscule. To treat religion in a way that defies the human's natural psychological device of accruing knowledge is unintelligent and hinders the human race as a whole from progressing.

[Squeek]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Lol, I don't even know where to start. First, I wouldn't follow "people" who claim they hear God, but I'd probably be curious enough to ask them what they heard. And that "some guy" is also God. His son, Jesus Christ, the right hand of the Father, etc etc.

Jesus is not a man. Because of the way he was brought out and lived his life, He is also God.

And if people claim to hear God, that's cool, I'd consider it a blessing. But if it comes to doing things such as stoning your kids, they probably thought it was God talking to them. There are other things that can be heard in your head, but it doesn't mean it came from a good source, if you get my drift.

You missed my point.

Let's say I said I was the son of God. Would you believe me?

Why did people believe this carpenter fellow? Why don't people believe guys in New York?

The answer to an atheist's point of view is that he wowed them with magic tricks. The answer to a Christian's point of view is that he wowed them with miracles. Either way, he used sensationalism to sell himself.

You do realize of course that Jesus was not the only recorded miracle-worker at the time? People were living in poverty, wondering every day if they were just going to drop dead the next. They would've given anything if someone told them they could be saved.

On the second point...

Tell me, good sir, if God is an omnipotent, omniscient, all-powerful being, why does he choose such cryptic ways of contacting random people if they might interpret it as killing their children? He's supposed to be an omnipotent, omniscient, all-powerful being. He is supposed to have the power to create the universe. Why can't he summon the power to talk to us in more efficient ways? Why can't he just punish evil people himself, instead sending psychopathic mass-murderers on a mission from him to kill people. He's supposed to be an omnipotent, omniscient, all-powerful being.

And don't give me this B.S. that "God works in mysterious ways." You and I both know that's not true. That's a cover up you use when you can't explain when an atheist asks how such horrible things can happen to such good people.

[Megamanmaniac]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

I believe that Atheism is a lie becuase if there is a painting then there has to be a painter becuase the painting is proof that there must have been a painter to paint the painting. If there is a building, then that is proof that there is a builder becuase there needs to be a builder in order to build the building. The building cant just come out of no where. So in the same way, we have creation and creation is proof that there is a creator that created creation. That is why I believe that atheism is wrong. My faith is not strong as a Christian but I work at it everyday in my life to answer many of lifes questions. I try to do my best to argue the point and get to an answer.

[foilman8805]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

I believe that Atheism is a lie becuase if there is a painting then there has to be a painter becuase the painting is proof that there must have been a painter to paint the painting. If there is a building, then that is proof that there is a builder becuase there needs to be a builder in order to build the building. The building cant just come out of no where. So in the same way, we have creation and creation is proof that there is a creator that created creation. That is why I believe that atheism is wrong. My faith is not strong as a Christian but I work at it everyday in my life to answer many of lifes questions. I try to do my best to argue the point and get to an answer.

A cute metaphor is all this really is.

By this token there has to be a creator who created the creator and a creator who created that creator as well.

Do you see the infinite loop you fall into?

[Izzy]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

How does that have anything to do with atheism...

[StringsnKeys]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

"Can I trust my sensory inputs to tell me that this is in fact true?"

By that reasoning, you don't know you exist

[Megamanmaniac]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

A cute metaphor is all this really is.

By this token there has to be a creator who created the creator and a creator who created that creator as well.

Do you see the infinite loop you fall into?

Until you come to the end which is an all mighty creator (God) that is infinite and has all power. Do you see what I am saying?

[fido123]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

Until you come to the end which is an all mighty creator (God) that is infinite and has all power. Do you see what I am saying?

How did he come to be though? Your argument is something can't come out of nothing, yet if you assume God is real, god came out of nothing and you can't have power if you don't exist yet.

[NFD]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

how did he come to be though? Your argument is something can't come out of nothing, yet if you assume god is real, god came out of nothing.

He made himself because he's god. Don't question it.

[Megamanmaniac]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

How does that have anything to do with atheism...

It has everything to do with atheism. Atheist dont believe there is a god of some sort. They believe nothing created them. They have no boss. Just themselves. So basically its like if someone doesnt believe in trucks and there on a crossing a road and a truck is coming, there gonna get hit by the truck if they stay on the road even if they dont believe in trucks. The truth is the truth no matter what you believe the truth is. Same as if you dont believe in God, but judgement day will come, then what are you gonna do? Your not gonna get a free pass to heaven but you will end up goig to hell and that is not what I want to happen to everyone.

[fido123]

Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?

It has everything to do with atheism. Atheist dont believe there is a god of some sort. They believe nothing created them. They have no boss. Just themselves. So basically its like if someone doesnt believe in trucks and there on a crossing a road and a truck is coming, there gonna get hit by the truck if they stay on the road even if they dont believe in trucks. The truth is the truth no matter what you believe the truth is. Same as if you dont believe in God, but judgement day will come, then what are you gonna do? Your not gonna get a free pass to heaven but you will end up goig to hell and that is not what I want to happen to everyone.

Your example with trucks is probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Atheists believe in what science has proved (Well at least most do, some just don't give a **** about where they came from). I'm an Atheist/Darwinist, and I go to a Christian school and keep an open mind. Fact is the question is too big for us to answer at least yet, however I believe we should take what we know and take an educated guess. There are transitional fossils, abiogenisis is a fact and has been recreated, and are many more facts that prove evolution. IMO, it's silly to think it's false, and since Christianity believes in Creationism, I believe it to be false. As for the idea of a god, it just seems like wishful thinking. Even though I want religion to be true, it doesn't make it so.