Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
absent of evidence is not the evidence of absence
absent of evidence is not the evidence of absence
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
lol the classic response:
show me proof he doesnt exist
show me proof he DOES exist.
need I say more.
us christians have our reasons that none of you atheists would understand seeing as you block off all views so quickly, and you wont even give us any evidence so whatever.
im tired of arguing over religion.
oh and squeek your response to my messege is flawed.
committing suicide is the equilavent of murder and you can not get into heaven by committing suicide.
and there is more meaning to life when you are a christian, dont say something like 'no its not, cause blah blah said so', your not a christian so you cant counter-claim this with certainty.
PS: im not telling you anything, you believe what you want, theres no proof against christianity.
thats my end in the argument, they may not be very strong points but unless you are/have been a proper christian, you cant post in this topic effectively.
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
Again, this is not true. It's not that we ignore you. We demand proof, and you deny giving it to us. We have a proof-oriented view of life. Things that don't make sense to us demand lots of evidence to be confirmed as truth. Surely you don't believe everything people tell you, right? You demand proof for things you do not believe are true
So don't commit suicide. Just kill each other. You're going to heaven either way, right?oh and squeek your response to my messege is flawed.
committing suicide is the equilavent of murder and you can not get into heaven by committing suicide.
Yes, it's sarcasm. You're the one telling me my life is meaningless though. Pretty sure that's not a very nice thing to say. Pretty sure Jesus wouldn't approve of that.
Why is your life more meaningful because you're a Christian? That doesn't make any sense. Let's say I become a multi-billionaire and head a project that ends world hunger. Just because I'm not a Christian, this still makes me worth less than you?and there is more meaning to life when you are a christian, dont say something like 'no its not, cause blah blah said so', your not a christian so you cant counter-claim this with certainty.
Just so you know, I was a Catholic for 17 years of my life. I was raised Catholic, went to the modern-day version of Sunday School, earned all the religious awards with Boy Scouts, went to a Catholic school, was Confirmed, partook in church choir, and was a member of a church youth group for 3 years after I graduated from Catholic school. My life did not change when I quit the church. It simply meant that I didn't spend an hour listening to mindless chanting in a building every weekend. I questioned my faith (as several leaders of my church and youth group told me to) constantly and never received proper answers. Things in the religion just didn't make sense to me, and the explanation I was given (you just have to have faith!) were not sufficient. I was thinking about leaving long before I actually did. Then I did and I never looked back.
Ok, so, you're basically saying "I HAVE PROOF AND I KNOW YOU'RE WRONG!" and then saying "I'M NOT SAYING WHY!". It's obvious why you won't say--you don't have any proof. I, on the other hand, have about a hundred pieces of evidence against individual stories in the Bible. A lot of the hyperbolic events in the Bible were so big that they would've left archaeological evidence. None of them have. You would think people outside of the Bible would've written stories about these events. There are none. This alone is extraordinary proof against the Bible-- a book whose only proof comes from within its own pages.im not telling you anything, you believe what you want, theres no proof against christianity.
And even if I weren't a Catholic before, why does that make me completely unable to post in this topic? That's completely unfair. The archaeology team that searched the desert that Moses supposedly lead people through for 40 years and found no evidence of a mass-exodus through didn't have to be Christian to disprove that story. All they needed was to hear that such an event happened, test to see if it did, and report their findings. If you don't believe their findings, you can go to the desert yourself and look for signs of mass-exodus and 40 years of wandering. That's the beauty of science I've been trying to explain to you. Anything you think is wrong about science, you have the ability to test for yourself. But, you're clearly too close-minded to bother.thats my end in the argument, they may not be very strong points but unless you are/have been a proper christian, you cant post in this topic effectively.Last edited by Squeek; 04-29-2009, 01:02 AM.Comment
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
yey for Agnosticism.
and also yey for being one of the people thats hostile towards extremely religious people. if you try and force your ideas on me, ill ****ing punch you. if not, we're cool. B)
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
Here's the thing about the Christian God. You say "there's no proof He doesn't exist", but how is that any reason to believe in God? There is also no proof the Muslim Allah doesn't exist, and the Jewish God, and all of the Greek/Roman, Pagan, Norse, Hindu, and Egyptian deities, and many many more besides those. And each one has (or had) holy writings and thousands of devout followers. Why not believe in those too?
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
I wanted to post how I feel about this whole debate, but Squeek pretty much covered anything and everything I'd have to say about it.
And it's true.. the counter-debates always end up simply being "Well you don't have proof." Rarely will anyone change someone's opinion, so the best thing to do is just let them believe what they want to believe. Don't force your religion on anyone else, and (we're far from it, but) don't try and govern the lives of other people based on one religion. If you want to follow the rules that your text has set forth, then follow them. Don't punish others for wanting to follow something different. [EDIT: Predicting arguments against this, I realize you'll just say "well what if I follow the work of SATAN and I want to go around murdering everyone." Keep it within reason. I'm atheist, but I've always followed my own rule of "as long as it's not purposefully hurting another".]
When you eventually do die, we'll just have to see (or not see) who's right.
+1 for Squeek's argument.Last edited by Draigun; 04-29-2009, 01:48 AM.What?Comment
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
So I have a blue alien that lives in my closet. He wears a green hat with pink polka dots and he floats around the room when we're alone. However, I'm the only one who sees him. He is incredibly shy and turns invisible when other people are around.
According to your broken thinking, you have no evidence to prove that he does not, therefore he must be real.
There is no difference between this and god and jesus whatsoever.Comment
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
Basically...
The inability to prove the existence of something does not necessarily guarantee its nonexistence.
The inability to disprove the existence of something does not necessarily guarantee its existence.
it's a mystery ooooComment
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
Why do you believe Science is the supreme ruling factor in the world? You base every last little thing you say off of science. You assume every last thing a scientist says is correct! Why? Why are scientists so correct apparently? Science is your religion I guess, because you treat it like one. I don't really need to respond to anything else you say because "Your scientific standards" don't approve of anything people are saying. Really, such close-mindedness is astounding. To sit there and tell me that everything in the world revolves around your little theories and equations is just simply insane.
But, when it gets down to it, believe what you want to believe. I guess ultimately we will all find out eventually what is real and what isn't.Last edited by funmonkey54; 04-29-2009, 05:03 AM.
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Re: What's with the hostility towards Christians?
No, not the thread. I did not use or say anything in a way that he did not also say it. That does not create hostility towards Christians. The hostility towards Christians comes with the same hostility towards anything that is different. Different religion, different race, different anything. The fact of the matter is this, we are all going to think we are right with what we believe. Doesn't matter what you believe. Hostility will exist. I am guilty of it, he is guilty of it, you are guilty of it. And that can be proven in whatever way you want.Originally posted by qqwrefLast edited by funmonkey54; 04-29-2009, 05:25 AM.
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