UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

[stargroup100]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

another small point I should add:

even if the creationism argument that neither evolution nor creationism can be proven to be true or false, that still doesn't qualify creationism to be taught in classrooms (and if that was the case evolution shouldn't be taught either)

the point of science is to make demonstrable claims about reality. if you make any kind of statement that is not provable or demonstrable, it can never be discussed meaningfully in science

[lurker]

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nothing of the external world is provable because nothing in the external world can ever be proof
it's like none of you have ever heard of descartes or something

[Arch0wl]

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bro do you even hume

[lurker]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

i got yo missing shade of blue
right
here

[benguino]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Flying Spaghetti Monster
is a terrible argument

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Flying Spaghetti Monster
is a terrible argument

but will it blend?????

[Reincarnate]

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Reuben: elaborate?

[rushyrulz]

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oh yea? well explain the grand canyon!

[Nullifidian]

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Well, okay, but you've restated the definition of censorship as an argument that it isn't censorship.

The problem I think is that bans on speech are censorship but this doesn't mean censorship is in itself objectionable, but many people consider censorship objectionable wholesale, so they're reluctant to call it that. Some people believe that censorship only applies to public speech, and there's a weird debate about that, but in a broader sense "censorship" just means "bans on speech", regardless of private or public context.

You are not allowed to commit fraud because deceitful speech on products is banned. This is a kind of censorship I support.

Curricula indirectly ban a lot of other things from being taught anyway by mandating what must be taught, so I don't think excluding creationism would cause any harm. My only concern would be what would happen if the precedent were reworked to ban information for more political reasons, e.g.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...ce_controversy

I think you misinterpreted my sentence because it can still be taught in the appropriate religious studies classes. It's not banned from ever being mentioned, just (as I said) banned from being taught as scientific fact. Failing to meet the standards of science in order for something to be taught in science classes isn't censorship. If it is, then not teaching about unicorns or leprechauns (or any other unsubstantiated unfalsifiable concept you can think of) in science classes is also censorship.

oh yea? well explain the grand canyon!

[Reincarnate]

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Simple as that: creationism isn't science. Thus it has no place in the science classroom.

[MinaciousGrace]

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shouldnt that have been obvious from the op

like why is this thread even 3 pages

what

[Izzy]

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Because FFR. Threads like this should probably be locked on sight.

[welsh_girl]

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It's not actually being *banned* here though...

[adlp]

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i dont believe in creationism but this thread was doomed from the start

[Hateandhatred]

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How is this even a discussion in 2014? Can't people read? I wanted to post about this, but figured it was completely pointless because "eh", but now... Ah, fuck w/e.