UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

[choof]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

the whole "here's both sides of the argument" thing puts a non-science on the same playing field as a science

[Arch0wl]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

re: "both sides"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_to_moderation

"You say the sky is blue, while I say the sky is red. Therefore, the best solution is to compromise and agree that the sky is purple."

There are correct answers to things. Some "sides" are correct.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

One word: Censorship

It's not like students can't read about it themselves, but this is still censorship.

edit: @Arch purple would be a pure mixture of the two. What if it were red with patches of blue mixed throughout?

[choof]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Creationism as something that you seriously have to waste time and neurons disproving is so 10 years ago.

except not because there was a debate this year about evolution vs creationism and there are also people who think the creationist's claims were more sound than the scientist's

One word: Censorship

It's not like students can't read about it themselves, but this is still censorship.

in what way is this censorship?

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

in what way is this censorship?

How is this not censorship? You're not allowed to teach a material. It's simple censorship.

Censorship is the suppression of speech or other public communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, politically incorrect or inconvenient as determined by a government, media outlet or other controlling body.

[choof]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

How is this not censorship? You're not allowed to teach a material. It's simple censorship.

"Hey class, a new law just passed saying that we can no longer teach that 1+1=5."
"But they can't do that! That's censorship!"

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Implying creationism is provable and has been proved false.

government intervention on what they think is the truth is censorship. The government is literally stopping schools from being able to teach what is in their opinion the "wrong" idea.

I don't approve of theism but this is still not a good way to stop it.

[Nullifidian]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

How is this not censorship? You're not allowed to teach a material. It's simple censorship.

It's simply banned as being taught as scientific fact, because - who woulda thunk - it isn't scientific fact.

Implying creationism is provable and has been proved false.

Onus probandi

[choof]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Implying creationism is provable and has been proved false.

I really hope you're not going to take this stance.

[XelNya]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

in what way is this censorship?

Pretty much this.

They're not saying you can't mention it. Read the article carefully. "In any case prevents the teaching of creationism as evidence based theory"

It says you can't teach it in a specific manner. It does not limit the discussion except that you can't say it's supported by science. (Because science has pretty much theorized with pretty good evidence otherwise.)

It limits a miscommunication is what it does.

I'm not an active "fuck religion" vocally kind of person. I dislike religion because it hinders progress and creates issues that shouldn't even really issues in the first place. (See gay rights for an extreme example.) But this is something we need here as well. I'd love to see this.

I'd also love to see a lot of other things, but this would be a hell of a start.

Edit: "Creationism" does not need to be proven true or false. It only needs to be proved to be extremely likely/unlikely.

[Pseudo Enigma]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

They're not saying you can't mention it. Read the article carefully. "In any case prevents the teaching of creationism as evidence based theory"

oops

[choof]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

Edit: "Creationism" does not need to be proven true or false. It only needs to be proved to be extremely likely/unlikely.

evolution and creationism are two totally incompatible ideas
by evolution being a fact, creationism is effectively rendered false

[Reach]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

How about:

- Hey guys, here is one side of the story
- Hey guys, here is the other side of the story

Think for yourselves and believe what you believe


(Because in all honesty, nobody gives a shit what alignment you take part of at the end of the day)

No.

You can't be serious.

You teach science in a science classroom. Creationism is not science. Therefore, you don't teach it. It's really that simple.

By your logic, why don't we teach holocaust denial in history classes and let people choose what they want to believe anyway.

You talking about fact vs fiction here. You don't give something that isn't true a platform in the classroom.

[ilikexd]

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this is stupid man science should be about learning both sides of the story

This

he was being sarcastic

How about:

- Hey guys, here is one side of the story
- Hey guys, here is the other side of the story

Think for yourselves and believe what you believe


(Because in all honesty, nobody gives a shit what alignment you take part of at the end of the day)

what sides of what story

there are an uncountably high number of religious "sides" of "the story" besides a (christian) idea of creationism

SCIENCE classes aren't supposed to bother with any of them because they're there to teach about scientific material in a world where knowledge thereof is a very useful tool, and this is what's funded by the state

you can go to a private school, church, internet or wherever if you want to learn about other "sides", regarding (lol) censorship argument. nothing is being censored.

[ilikexd]

Re: UK Bans Teaching Creationism in State-Funded Schools Read

fck ninjad by reach