My ATH-M50's just got here...

[Ohaider]

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Okay you trollin son? Okay you must be.

HD 800s are 1500
LCD 2s are 1000

retail prices bruv, go anywhere beyond in the US and they're 1599-1699 (bestbuy, amazon, etc) that stopped me from getting the LCD2s and getting a Buick hah

Sure the HD800s might be accurate, but their bright sound can easily be clarified as ear stinging when it comes to the striking of a cymbal. HOWEVER the LCD-2s have a nice extended bass with liquid mids.

Seems a bit biased.
"a bit muffled" and "poorer mids" - some LCD2 User responses
even at head-fi lul

800s and LCD2s both have pros and cons obv other sources beyond head-fi circlejerk praise Audeze much less

[Tyson ultima]

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Well duh of course you need a powerful amp in order to fuel both headphones they are hi end headphones and clearly are only asking of the best quality. WHich is why I recommended the WA6SE with the LCD2's since they are tube amp headphones. Hell even the schiit lyr which is 450 retail price sounds very good with the LCD 2s. Can't say anything about the hd800s though

[Spenner]

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There's clearly better headphones out there but this recommendation was built on the idea that he could get a really strong performer within a half decent affordable price range. I've heard some sennheizers that blow ATH-m50s outta the water (with acoustic samples for sure) but this is for the true audiophiles that are looking to invest in the highest possible quality for the price that already know they're willing to pay $500+.

Same thing for camera lenses, you can get a good quality investment from a $100 lens that does many things well. Very good stuff, however, once you compare it with the $700+ lenses your two apparent apples are beginning to look more like an apple and an orange.

But ye dood first time using my M50s on top of the soundblaster Crystalizer it was a religious experience. I hope you aren't getting them boggled down with shitty beats audio trickery. My laptop shits up my listening experience all the time cuz of that gay little gimmick that I didn't want.

[Ohaider]

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There's clearly better headphones out there but this recommendation was built on the idea that he could get a really strong performer within a half decent affordable price range. I've heard some sennheizers that blow ATH-m50s outta the water (with acoustic samples for sure) but this is for the true audiophiles that are looking to invest in the highest possible quality for the price that already know they're willing to pay $500+.

Yeeeeeeeesss

Next set of great headphones i get will be Sennheiser hands down


and also haven't read any reviews of hd800 mids sucking without powerful amp haha

[Tyson ultima]

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I will describe the audiophile listening experience like this.

You move up and up and notice little and tiny differences in sound which makes you feel the purchase is worth it. THEN you move down. Lets say you listen to 650s and then listen to 20 dollar sony headphones and you clearly can hear the sound difference because of how adjusted and trained your ears are to better audio at this point. I have a good collective amount of listening experience in both my 650s and LCD-2s to tell that while the 650s are eon's more comfortable. The lack of sealing and damping material that is utilized by the leather in the LCD-2's make the bass in the 650s lack any *umph*.

On a list of the highest Tier headphones for each driver at this point it would be
1. Stax SR009s which have no reviews because its 5000 dollars and require and electrostatic driver which the blue hawaii SE amp is also 5000 dollars.
2. Sennheiser HD800s which would benefit from any solid state amp such as the schiit mjolnir or some other high end amps.
3. The Audeze LCD 3s(2 for the price factor) which is recommended for any tube amp such as the Schiit lyr (for price efficiency) the WA6SE OR if your feeling really pricey the Red Wine audio combo that comes with the LCD-2s.

[Ohaider]

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1. Stax SR009s which have no reviews because its 5000 dollars and require and electrostatic driver which the blue hawaii SE amp is also 5000 dollars.

I did not know of these headphones, impeccable price but mmmm

[Tyson ultima]

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Has an article to go along with the experience with all the headphones

[SOLO RULZ]

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ohaider you should just stop man. you just got owned lmao

[Spenner]

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Has anyone else tried the Sound Blaster Xf-i Crystalizer? I swear by it for sure. Without it sounds feel so dull, it's like a beautiful sharpening of the EQ that can't be done with an EQ, Idunno dood. But it sounds sharp as fuck, and really pulls out so much detail.

[Evnoir]

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LCD2s suck

I just... what?

I don't want to start a flame war so carry on.

[Ohaider]

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I just... what?

they're 1599-1699 (bestbuy, amazon, etc) that stopped me from getting the LCD2s and getting a Buick hah

meant in context ha they're obviously top of the line but god damn that price compared to others

edit:

ohaider you should just stop man. you just got owned lmao

idgi elaborate

[pmonibuv1]

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skrillex is good

[Evnoir]

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Here's my 2 cents on some of the stuff mentioned here:

Spend 10x as much to have the same frequency response as ATH-M50s

Consider this: Do headphones with the same frequency response sound the same? If you had a headphone with a frequency response that was completely flat from 20 to 20k, would you say that headphone is superior to every other headphone in the market because of its dead flat response? Why do Beats have a terrible sound when their frequency response isn't majorly distorted?


In general, headphones (and other electronic devices) follow the law of diminishing returns. Increase in sonic performance vs increase in price follows a logarithmic curve. Going from a run-of-the-mill headphone to an M50 is, say, 100% better in performance, while going from an M50 to an LCD2 is 50% better in performance even though the increase in price is far beyond the former comparison. You also have to consider the amp, dac, and even the interconnect to fully experience the higher-end headphone's true potential. An LCD2 through a DAC1+WA6SE with Cardas interconnects + Norse Audio cables is going to be hella lot better than an LCD2 straight out of an ipod. Numbers that show up on the box that came with the headphones don't mean anything when if comes to how good the headphones sound - sound quality is all up to what you can hear and what you perceive to be 'good' sound. Whether the price difference is justified by the sonic upgrade is completely up to the user.


Also for the LCD2 (rev1 and rev2), it does indeed have a narrow soundstage - no amp can really fix that from my experience (at least not consumer grade amps, opens up a little bit on higher end amps). But asides from that, it excels in virtually everything. The sub- to mid-bass is second to none for headphones in that price bracket (~$1000) including the HD800. It has some flaws too, but so does every other headphone. Sennheisers, Beyerdynamics, Audio Technicas, Audezes, Grados, Ultimate Ears, Ultrasones, AKGs all have flaws. So what. The only thing that really matters is, what sounds the best to you, and is it worth it to you.

[.Layne.]

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Why go that far Evnoir? Ohaider is uneducated, he doesn't know a single thing you're talking about.

[Izzy]

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I have sennheiser 280s. How much do these suck in comparison?