Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness this.

[kommisar]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

no religious debate threads are the most entertaining because I get to read people's posts who have done research because i'm too lazy to

[NocturneAunamic]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

id like to reiterate that believing in a god is contrived and stupid

Disagree completely.

Believing in a deity is assuring and calming of the mind for some.

The problem is imposing your beliefs onto others. Which, hey, whatdoyaknow, comes from some religions. But there definitely are believers that keep to themselves and respect other humans as humans.

EDIT: I'd like to restate that I do not believe in a deity currently, but would like to believe somewhere down in my older years when I've lived my life, I can experience other religions freely and find my peace of mind.

[FFRN00B90210]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

Disagree completely.

Believing in a deity is assuring and calming of the mind for some.

The problem is imposing your beliefs onto others. Which, hey, whatdoyaknow, comes from some religions. But there definitely are believers that keep to themselves and respect other humans as humans.

no i am right you are just a lot less intelligent than i am i understand tho

ive decided im going to respond to every post in this thread from now on until its locked so u guys are gonna have to deal with it

[popsicle_3000]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

They refer to things clearly stated in the bible that were changed.

Slavery is right there in the new testament too. Jesus even addressed slaves directly to tell them to serve their masters on earth as loyally as they serve God in heaven.

So yeah.

yes, since there was slavery in that time. One of the things comes up in the bible is respecting and submitting to authority. Paul was addressing slaves saying that they were under their master's authority, and reminding them to serve with a good heart.
I fail to see how this is related to the bible saying homosexuality is wrong tho...

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.
Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.

And you mean to tell me that discriminating homosexuality is not homophobia? Because that's what they're doing. Discriminating homosexuality.

I disagree with homosexuality as a way of life. everyone is entitled to their opinion. I hold no contempt, prejudice, aversion or hatred of homosexuals. I have homosexual friends. I treat them the same way as I do my hetero friends. God loves them identically to heterosexuals and so should I.

you really think i'm a homophobe?

It is appalling how some people treat homosexuals, and many of those people are christians. they do not reflect how God views them...

Those apostles were all up ons continuing to support slavery and domination of men over women.

why does everyone keep referring to these passages in this context? Paul also said that husbands should love their wives as jesus loves the church. I'd hardly say that jesus enslaves and dominates the church...

I am going to assume you misspoke, because no human should be able to say this without immediately recoiling with the words, "Wow, that was absurdly stupid and that came out wrong. What I really meant was..."

no, i meant all of that. In the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. Lying, stealing, adultery, etc... same thing. Sin distances you from God, thus, homosexuality distances you from God.

People do not get their values from the Bible/God/etc. There's no way you can make a rational/consistent argument for this, btw. It's a losing position no matter how far you take it.

um how do you figure? The vast majority of my values come from the Bible. Integrity, not gossiping, kindness, etc... all taught in the bible.

[NocturneAunamic]

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no i am right you are just a lot less intelligent than i am i understand tho

ive decided im going to respond to every post in this thread from now on until its locked so u guys are gonna have to deal with it

[FFRN00B90210]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

yes, since there was slavery in that time. One of the things comes up in the bible is respecting and submitting to authority. Paul was addressing slaves saying that they were under their master's authority, and reminding them to serve with a good heart.
I fail to see how this is related to the bible saying homosexuality is wrong tho...

the bible was written by people that didnt know anything a number of yrs ago

I disagree with homosexuality as a way of life. everyone is entitled to their opinion. I hold no contempt, prejudice, aversion or hatred of homosexuals. I have homosexual friends. I treat them the same way as I do my hetero friends. God loves them identically to heterosexuals and so should I.

u believe in god it doesnt really matter what u actually think about gay ppl. u enable others that dont like gay ppl

you really think i'm a homophobe?

no

It is appalling how some people treat homosexuals, and many of those people are christians. they do not reflect how God views them...

christian god is made up by humans

why does everyone keep referring to these passages in this context? Paul also said that husbands should love their wives as jesus loves the church. I'd hardly say that jesus enslaves and dominates the church...

the bible was written by ppl that didnt know anything a lot of yrs ago. paul is an arbitrary dude in an arbitrary world.

no, i meant all of that. In the Bible, homosexuality is a sin. Lying, stealing, adultery, etc... same thing. Sin distances you from God, thus, homosexuality distances you from God.

lying stealing adultery and all of the above are bad because they wrong others not cuz they are sinful. god is irrelevant and the christian god more so cuz hes made up by humans

um how do you figure? The vast majority of my values come from the Bible. Integrity, not gossiping, kindness, etc... all taught in the bible.

the vast majority of ur values come from ur parents telling u the bible is the way things are. if they didnt come from ur parents some figure in ur life told u the way things were and u believed it cuz ur impressionable. not gossiping and kindness are arbitrary and dont hold any weight. the bible was written by dudes a number of yrs ago that didnt know anything

im fully aware how funny i am its part of my epic genepool

[Reincarnate]

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ITT the great 'minds of ffr' devonin and rubix tag team the same one sided discussion of the previous thread from last month while browsing r/atheism on reddit

Please, people on r/atheism are retarded

[devonin]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

yes, since there was slavery in that time. One of the things comes up in the bible is respecting and submitting to authority. Paul was addressing slaves saying that they were under their master's authority, and reminding them to serve with a good heart.
I fail to see how this is related to the bible saying homosexuality is wrong tho...

Slavery was in the bible, the bible says slavery is good and that slaves should obey. Society at large no longer accepts that slavery is okay, and the church has changed its stance on slavery.

Homosexuality as a sin is in the bible, the bible says homosexuality is a sin and you should not be a homosexual. Society at large no longer accepts that homosexuality is a sin, and you can't see how these sentences were entirely the same up until the point where the church has recanted on slavery, and hasn't recanted yet on homosexuality?

The only way these things aren't the EXACT SAME THING is that you don't WANT to be okay with homosexuals and you do want to be okay with abolishing slavery. It's a matter of personal opinion only.

[FFRN00B90210]

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Please, people on r/atheism are retarded

/r/atheism seems to be something a lot of ppl default on when characterizing atheists. they should instead be understanding the validity behind atheist frustration.

Slavery was in the bible, the bible says slavery is good and that slaves should obey. Society at large no longer accepts that slavery is okay, and the church has changed its stance on slavery.

Homosexuality as a sin is in the bible, the bible says homosexuality is a sin and you should not be a homosexual. Society at large no longer accepts that homosexuality is a sin, and you can't see how these sentences were entirely the same up until the point where the church has recanted on slavery, and hasn't recanted yet on homosexuality?

can u stop talking about the bible because the bible was written by ppl a number of yrs ago that didnt know anything about anything. devonin u constantly enable the other person to respond and its been some kind of theme over the last x number of topics about this. can you stop doing this and just quote ppl and type 'lol' instead. its a lot more effective.

the funniest part is whatever youre saying is clearly logical you just get frustrated every time someone doesnt believe you. just flame ppl and get over it, its basically the same thing man.

[Reincarnate]

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um how do you figure? The vast majority of my values come from the Bible. Integrity, not gossiping, kindness, etc... all taught in the bible.

Watch this and tell me your thoughts. Most of the time this gets posted and they just dodge it. I want to know your actual response.

[FFRN00B90210]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

Watch this and tell me your thoughts. Most of the time this gets posted and they just dodge it. I want to know your actual response.

my favorite part about your posts is your 'game over' tone whenever you feel like youve dropped hiroshimas biggest knowledge bomb. i realize this approach has enabled you to learn a lot of things no one cares about (see: most of ur knowledge pool) but you will never be able effectively combat retarded ppl.

edit: ill give u a big hint. this kids parents go to church every sunday and he goes w them. yours dont. the end.

edit2: im anxiously awaiting another big wall of text that amounts to nothing

edit3: i remember when i made a God Doesn't Exist thread in CT when guidohunter was a mod and i got banned

edit4: cmon theres 90 ppl viewing the thread make another post so i can respond im gettin bored here i cant exactly double post and repsond to myself thats not fun

[Reincarnate]

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Well my "knowledge pool" enables me to earn a nice salary so *some* people certainly care about it...

Anyways I don't think I have a "game over" tone. Most arguments against religious oppression are not profound. They're not even that hard to understand. The hard part is getting people to acknowledge that there's no rational defense for their beliefs.

If you can say that, we can call it a day: "I understand that on all rational fronts, my religion has no defense. But I believe it anyway on faith without evidence, and I acknowledge that it's inconsistent. I acknowledge that I pick and choose. I acknowledge that it's unfalsifiable. And I am okay with impinging on others due to my religious beliefs."

But don't act like there's anything rational about it lmfao

[littlecigarinmouth]

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lol at the idea that Jesus told slaves to obey their masters because he supported slavery

I suppose when he said to pay your taxes it was because he supported the Christian-slaying government too?

jesus was born in israel

[popsicle_3000]

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the bible says slavery is good

where?

Watch this and tell me your thoughts. Most of the time this gets posted and they just dodge it. I want to know your actual response.

stoning, breaking the sabbath, etc... those were all things in the old testament. We can go into why some of the old testament doesn't apply in the same way anymore if you like.

Jesus challenged the stoning of the adulteress. He challenged the reasoning and the motives behind the religious leaders who were so strict on the sabbath.

any specific things you'd like my opinion on?

[Choofers]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

stoning, breaking the sabbath, etc... those were all things in the old testament. We can go into why old testament is different if you like.

Jesus challenged the stoning of the adulteress. He challenged the reasoning and the motives behind the religious leaders who were so strict on the sabbath.

any specific things you'd like my opinion on?

Please point to where in the new testament Jesus "challenged" any of this.