Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness this.

[devonin]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

sorry, nope. God made it clear that homosexuality is wrong. The devil's purpose is to separate people from God, thus, homosexuality does that.

The church backlash against gay rights has lost the church WAY more followers than the movement for gay rights existing has. There being gays in the world doesn't make people stop being catholics. Seeing the church stomp all over human rights and basic dignity in the name of morality stops people being catholics.

If the devil's goal is to drive people away from the church, the aspect that has been MOST effective at doing so would be the one the devil was responsible for. Unless you think God is better at driving Catholics away from the church than Satan is.

[Choofers]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

Why is it always thought that not agreeing w/ homosexuality = homophobe??
just an fyi, it =/= homophobia...



sorry, nope. God made it clear that homosexuality is wrong. The devil's purpose is to separate people from God, thus, homosexuality does that.



lol what?



thing is the values come from something greater than the physical organization called the church. so the right/wrong doesn't come from the church, but from God. and those don't change with time

are you.... dumb?

[popsicle_3000]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

It has been proved wrong in many aspects.

such as?

The church backlash against gay rights has lost the church WAY more followers than the movement for gay rights existing has.

but why should the church compromise on something that is clearly labelled as wrong in the bible?
sure, many people forget the part about how God loves EVERYONE, gays included, and so should we. pity is that humans suck in many ways, and those failings drive people away from God. that's a result of the fallibility of the human race.

edit: choofers, care to explain?

[devonin]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

but why should the church compromise on something that is clearly labelled as wrong in the bible?

So just so we're clear. You're upset that the church compromised on slavery? On women being property? On stoning people in the street? On wearing mixed fabrics?

[Izzy]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

but why should the church compromise on something that is clearly labelled as wrong in the bible?

Picking and choosing beliefs to fit the specific moment is the basis of the religion.

[popsicle_3000]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

So just so we're clear. You're upset that the church compromised on slavery? On women being property? On stoning people in the street? On wearing mixed fabrics?

not sure how that's related...
those things either refer to the old law in the bible, or about middle-eastern culture at the time

[devonin]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

They refer to things clearly stated in the bible that were changed.

Slavery is right there in the new testament too. Jesus even addressed slaves directly to tell them to serve their masters on earth as loyally as they serve God in heaven.

So yeah.

[Nullifidian]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

Why is it always thought that not agreeing w/ homosexuality = homophobe??
just an fyi, it =/= homophobia...

Homophobia encompasses a range of negative attitudes and feelings toward homosexuality or people who are identified or perceived as being lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender (LGBT). It can be expressed as antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, or hatred, and may be based on irrational fear.
Homophobia is observable in critical and hostile behavior such as discrimination and violence on the basis of sexual orientations that are non-heterosexual.

And you mean to tell me that discriminating homosexuality is not homophobia? Because that's what they're doing. Discriminating homosexuality.

sorry, nope. God made it clear that homosexuality is wrong. The devil's purpose is to separate people from God, thus, homosexuality does that.

thing is the values come from something greater than the physical organization called the church. so the right/wrong doesn't come from the church, but from God. and those don't change with time

How.. what.. why.. I don't even..
What even makes you think there is a god? What even makes you think that those words of "homosexuality is wrong" aren't actually someone's ignorance and distaste towards homosexuality, not god's words? How do you know these (completely bigoted) values came from god, and not from stubborn old men in attires? You make such gigantic logic leaps there is no way you can actually believe this.

[DarknessXoXLight]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

sorry, nope. God made it clear that homosexuality is wrong. The devil's purpose is to separate people from God, thus, homosexuality does that.

I... what? Like what?

[Garquillex]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

Your posts were to try and invoke discussion, but you had no will to enter such a discussion? Why would you try to invoke discussion when you weren't intending to actually discuss?

Hey, this is totally valid on its own. I've done it myself and it can work out fine.

I did it because I wanted to see it discussed, but lacked the energy, motivation, or had too many conflicting thoughts to attempt to write them out coherently.

[bmah]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

As much as I might disagree with popsicle's statement, there's no need to be insulting about it, ty very much.

[kommisar]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

knew this would turn into religion debatez


though if there's one thing medieval beliefs are good at doing is convincing people never to change their minds

[adlp]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

good thing the pope doesnt speak for all of religion right guys

[kommisar]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

he makes 1.2 billion people look bad though

[Reincarnate]

Re: Hasn't been a day since the new pope was elected and we already have to witness t

Why is it always thought that not agreeing w/ homosexuality = homophobe??
just an fyi, it =/= homophobia...

Because it is...
There's no (strong) rational argument for denying homosexual people equal civil rights. There are rational arguments but they're extraordinarily weak.

sorry, nope. God made it clear that homosexuality is wrong. The devil's purpose is to separate people from God, thus, homosexuality does that.

I am going to assume you misspoke, because no human should be able to say this without immediately recoiling with the words, "Wow, that was absurdly stupid and that came out wrong. What I really meant was..."

thing is the values come from something greater than the physical organization called the church. so the right/wrong doesn't come from the church, but from God. and those don't change with time

People do not get their values from the Bible/God/etc. There's no way you can make a rational/consistent argument for this, btw. It's a losing position no matter how far you take it.