World of Warcraft

[devonin]

Re: World of Warcraft

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mok%27Nathal&n=Devonin

Sweet Jesus do I need new shoulders

[Grandiagod]

Re: World of Warcraft

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...thal&n=Devonin

Sweet Jesus do I need new shoulders

You could stand to lose some defense, you're 29 over capped. Take out some def gems and go for straight +stam. 12k health is a little low.

Also blah blah badge gear blah blah.

[devonin]

Re: World of Warcraft

Losing 29 defense would probably slide me back under uncrushable again. Don't worry I'm aware of my need to start subbing in more stamina. Mostly it's that as I get better loot (badges, more T4 etc) I'll generate extra defense from gear intrinsics, and start subbing out the gems for the 12 and 15 stamina ones, fix that problem right up.

And besides, having more defense means I have more outright avoidance too. 29 defense rating is 4.64% more total avoidance, and 3.48% of that is straight up "I don't take damage" So even if I'm overcapped on crush as well as crit, the ability to start pushing block off the attack table in favour of more miss/dodge/parry helps make up for lower HP.

I can and have tanked fairly high above my gear, since in addition to the extra avoidance, I've been playing this paladin as prot since level 1 so I actually know how to tank usefully.

[Grandiagod]

Re: World of Warcraft

Losing 29 defense would probably slide me back under uncrushable again.

Def past 490 doesn't really help with being crushable.

Don't worry I'm aware of my need to start subbing in more stamina. Mostly it's that as I get better loot (badges, more T4 etc) I'll generate extra defense from gear intrinsics, and start subbing out the gems for the 12 and 15 stamina ones, fix that problem right up.

a very very good site explaining defense stats after being capped

http://evilempireguild.org/guides/after490.php it's for warriors so some of the stuff is off for protadins (block for example) but it gets the point across.

And besides, having more defense means I have more outright avoidance too. 29 defense rating is 4.64% more total avoidance, and 3.48% of that is straight up "I don't take damage" So even if I'm overcapped on crush as well as crit, the ability to start pushing block off the attack table in favour of more miss/dodge/parry helps make up for lower HP.

That's pretty good, but a strat our BT tank used was "Eventually no matter my avoidance and mitigation I'm going to be hit twice in a row and I need to be able to survive that"

Also you can focus on avoidance by gemming for it. Gemming for def is less effective than going the direct gemming route to get avoidance.

I can and have tanked fairly high above my gear, since in addition to the extra avoidance, I've been playing this paladin as prot since level 1 so I actually know how to tank usefully.

I have no doubt you're good. But even I played my first char (a warlock) from lvl 1-70 and got him decked in t5 equivalent gear and I was still learning about him while killing Al'ar. (My priest is my true love though. I've healed through Mother Sharaz with him). Tanking is the hardest job in the game in my opinion.

[devonin]

Re: World of Warcraft

Def past 490 doesn't really help with being crushable.

From the site you linked me: We do know for certain that regardless of how critical hit mitigation works, you always get the other benefits from defense no matter how much you have

Every point of defense confers a 0.04% chance each to be missed, to block, to parry and to dodge. Such that every point of defense is 0.16% total avoidance/mitigation.

Compare to dodge, wherein each point of dodge rating is 0.05% chance to dodge. So switiching out 4def for 4dodge moves me up from 0.16% dodge to 0.20% dodge, but also drops me the 0.16% parry/block/miss.

So when I'm overly uncrushable, I can turn blocks into dodges by shifting the excess defense rate into more dodge rate, but that's at a fairly steep exchange rate.

I'd have to be 0.44% over 102.4% to switch defense for dodge and still remain uncrushable, which would then increase my overall chance to dodge by 0.16%

If I'm that far over 102.4% I'd generally be better served, as you suggested, to simply convert the avoidance into more stamina, which is what I'm slowly doing as I come across the means to do so.

I have no doubt you're good. Tanking is the hardest job in the game in my opinion.

So seems to be the general opinion of nigh everybody. I'm not trying to be all "Oh man I'm so awesome" it's just the case that plenty of people who've played a LOT longer than I have keep telling me that I'm some amazo tank.

I've had people go from "I really don't think you're geared enough to tank this, but hell we need a tank, so we'll try you out" to "Holy crap, I'm asking you first all the time now" after the run is finished.

When I say I was a tank from 1-70, I don't even just mean I was protection spec from 1-70. I created at level one with a housemate friend of mine who rolled up a mage. We created on the same day, and hit 70 within an hour of each other. I was basically -tanking- for the entire play experience I had, learning from like, deadmines on up, how to keep and hold aggro off DPS characters, and whatnot. It really made a huge difference, to the point where I really can only play tanks now.

[Kagome]

Re: World of Warcraft

Thinking of starting up again once the expansion comes out. I'll most likely stick with my mage. http://www.wowarmory.com/character-s...ther&n=Ichijou

[dietsnapple135]

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I had a 70 mage, 70 druid, 70 warrior, and 70 priest. Got banned last month >_<.

[Grandiagod]

Re: World of Warcraft

New in wotlk, mounts now swim instead of dismounting in water.

HELL YEAH.

[u84]

Re: World of Warcraft

I tried this, but didn't feel like paying money anymore to play it. Well actually, I never did. My mom got me some free trial things, so when they ran out, she wouldn't let me keep playing.. Sucks..

Anyways, there was this old WoW game that wasn't online. It was just humans v orcs. I played it all the time at a friend's house, but I never could afford it myself. Now that I can, I can't find it and I'm not allowed to make internet purchases.. (stupid mother) I can't seem to find any free versions, either, so I guess WoW is dead to me. DX

[NFD]

Re: World of Warcraft

Are you talking about Warcraft II? That game was so much fun. Haven't played it in years though.

[MegaMak]

Re: World of Warcraft

70 Hunter, Alleria. Quietly staring at my lifetime HKs...50,000 and counting. 49,999 of those are multishot accidents :P

[roundbox]

Re: World of Warcraft

PTR talent trees go live Tuesday, right?

[macgravel]

Re: World of Warcraft

Sadly, I've never played this before. Is it worth it?

[Sullyman2007]

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I think it is. There's a 10-day free trial if you want to try it.

[jecht3009046]

Re: World of Warcraft

PTR talent trees go live Tuesday, right?

Yessir. And the game is definitely worth playing to a gamer that sticks with a game for a long time. I wouldn't recommend WoW to somebody that can't stay with the same game for more than a few months.

EDIT: Ohai, I'm bak