Final Fantasy XIII -3

[Emanresu13]

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really i'm just biased against ff5 because of the job system, it feels like too much micromanagement

this is also the reason i don't like/suck at srpg/rts games

[Reincarnate]

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I want it to be acknowledged that I read that link and think it's a load of shit, but I don't feel like it justifies going into detail. This guy is simply a sensationalist videogame doomer.

I agree w/you that it's a little extreme; I don't agree with his stance -- just showing it. It is true, however, that single player mode has taken a serious backseat to multiplayer over the past decade.

You're right on all the other accounts, and although I'm saddened by the constant reminder that the meat of action games are declining, I'm really not all that concerned about it - various studios continue to prove that long, meaty games are still very much viable as far as profitable products go, and indie game studios are never afraid to innovate. It really boils down to whether the studio (and often consequently also the other parties involved) cares about making a great product or simply their own bottom end.

I agree that they're viable -- they're just tougher to get going in today's climate. Indie gamers today face all sorts of nutty challenges that simply weren't there years ago.

ps I find it hilarious that you refer to a game released almost eight years ago is a "breath of fresh air".

I refer to HL2's scale. Look at how short that credits list is. However, it's important to note that the game itself took a longer time to develop.

Alright done derailing. XD

[Arntonach]

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I liked FFV, X, X-2, VIII, XII, XIII & XIII-2.

The main reason is because they're way different from what RPGs usually are, which is why I like the Final Fantasy series; it's not afraid to do try new things in a genre of stagnation and copy-pasting. Yeah, the linearity of XIII was glaring, but it's nothing new for a JRPG and considering how XII was the exact opposite, it makes sense as to why they went with it.

Personally, I had my doubts when XIII-2 was announced as "XIII, but better," but it was okay, for the most part. I thought the DLC and the silliness were the best parts of the game.

XIII-3? I just hope they use a different battle system. PLEASE. The direction might seem iffy, but if it works, I'll be fine.

[Mike Weedmark]

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The thing about MP is that although it's attracting a lot of new players, the way most games go about creating their online experience (faking competitiveness by revolving around grinding or introducing elements of luck, or handicaps like in Mario Kart) will never be as satisfying to "Gamers" with a capital G, as a really hard single player game.

I don't feel like MP is succeeding at the expense of SP at this point. I feel like it's recruiting new casual former-non-players, not stealing veteran ones. At worst, in my opinion, SP is stagnating but not shrinking, while MP is expanding as videogames in general expand. Proportionally, MP might be overtaking SP, but in absolute terms, I doubt there's much of a problem.

[Emanresu13]

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(faking competitiveness by revolving around grinding or introducing elements of luck, or handicaps like in Mario Kart)

this a million billion times


oh on topic

i luv ff8, ff7, ff6, ff4, and that's it pretty much xD

[StoneMcKnuckle]

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The ffxiii versus was canceles and it turned out to be ffxiii , which is going to be an MMO for the pc.

Where did you read this? I did some brief reading only to find out that the news that it had been cancelled was a false rumor kotaku wrote an article about.

Also, it's going to be an MMO? After FF14 I highly doubt they'd want to try something so risky again.

[Reach]

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Uh yeah I'm pretty sure FF13 versus is still a go.

Whether it will be any good or not though is still up in the air.


To join in the FF8 discussion; easiest low level game ever. I like the fact you never have to level up. Actually, as it turns out the game is even easier than it is normally at the lowest possible levels.

Aside from maybe Omega weapon, but I'm also a fan of stat maxing, and getting 255 in pretty much every stat is surprisingly simple in this game if you run a low level game, which also makes Omega pretty easy.


I find it surprising when people complain that 13 was linear, but not 10. 10 was incredibly linear. Actually, in 10-2 they removed a lot of the linearity and the game wasn't nearly as good imo lol. IMO linear isn't necessarily bad. I think the fact that most of the life was sucked out of 13 by removing towns and things like that hurt the game a lot, though I still really liked it.

[Mike Weedmark]

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FFR tells you exactly which keys to press and exactly when. Aside from choosing songs, it's the most linear game of all time, and we all like it decently enough.

[Reincarnate]

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I find it surprising when people complain that 13 was linear, but not 10. 10 was incredibly linear. Actually, in 10-2 they removed a lot of the linearity and the game wasn't nearly as good imo lol. IMO linear isn't necessarily bad. I think the fact that most of the life was sucked out of 13 by removing towns and things like that hurt the game a lot, though I still really liked it.

This is a good point. However, I don't think FFX suffered all that much from its linearity. FFX and FFX13 are both linear compared to other FF games, but I'd say FFX13 is far more restrictive/clingy in what you can do.

At least in FFX I could move around from place to place, whereas in FF13 I felt like I was just moving from one scene to the next as if I were in an interactive movie surging forward. Both games had side-elements to them, but FF13 just bored me to tears. I felt like there was largely only one way to really play the game, and it didn't require much effort at all.

Part of is likely psychological due to lack of towns (as you mentioned). Towns (tend to) have this inherently large, exploratory feel, and so when you nix them, the entire game feels like I'm just walking a preset path -- and it removes some of the magical feel that the other FF games possess.

Then again, even FFX is fairly low on my totem pole, so I can only defend it so much. FFX-2 was horse shit so I will gladly piss on it with whomever else hates it with equal fervor.

I agree that linearity isn't *necessarily* bad, but I think it depends on how the linearity is implemented, since it can manifest itself in different ways based on which mechanic you apply it to.

[Reach]

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This is a good point. However, I don't think FFX suffered all that much from its linearity. FFX and FFX13 are both linear compared to other FF games, but I'd say FFX13 is far more restrictive/clingy in what you can do.

At least in FFX I could move around from place to place, whereas in FF13 I felt like I was just moving from one scene to the next as if I were in an interactive movie surging forward. Both games had side-elements to them, but FF13 just bored me to tears. I felt like there was largely only one way to really play the game, and it didn't require much effort at all.

Part of is likely psychological due to lack of towns (as you mentioned). Towns (tend to) have this inherently large, exploratory feel, and so when you nix them, the entire game feels like I'm just walking a preset path -- and it removes some of the magical feel that the other FF games possess.

Then again, even FFX is fairly low on my totem pole, so I can only defend it so much. FFX-2 was horse shit so I will gladly piss on it with whomever else hates it with equal fervor.

I agree that linearity isn't *necessarily* bad, but I think it depends on how the linearity is implemented, since it can manifest itself in different ways based on which mechanic you apply it to.

I definitely agree.

I'm not really sure what their excuse is; they need to move back to world maps and exploration based gameplay. A game like Dragon Quest 8 makes me realize how good an expansive RPG could be on a new gen console but for whatever reason, despite the obvious power to the PS3 they've been rather restrictive with their worlds.

Even in 13-2, it's mostly a bunch of smaller maps with the linearity removed so that you can freely explore them. Where my cohesive world, damnit? In fact, I think the sequel suffered somewhat for being overly non-linear with too many hidden secrets, to the point that playing through the game without a guide led me to miss nearly half of the stuff in it, despite exploring most areas thoroughly.

It was still a great game. If it didn't have a final fantasy label on it, I think people would rather it higher than they do currently. But, we expect a standard from the series and hopefully they can bring it back.

[Emanresu13]

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ya X was ridic linear

also i hate the spheres but i think i'm the only one...

good music though

[Fluvs]

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I like FF Dissidia 012 lol that is all

[Emanresu13]

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okay i'ma go through the whole series and list my pros and cons even though nobody wants me to. and some of this is restated from my earlier posts but whatev. all music is balla that's a given.

- ff01 - boring
- ff02 - boring
- ff03 - onions
- ff04
pros - snes, kain, underworld
cons - the moon
- ff05
pros - snes, exdeath
cons - micromanage job classes
- ff06
pros - snes, ****ing everything
cons - too short
- ff07
pros - cid, wheelchair cloud, aeris dies, gold saucer
cons - psx, sephiroth is six years old, that one movie... er i mean summon
- ff08
pros - cid, laguna for president, really depressing laguna side story
cons - psx, squall, outer space, drawing makes casting pointless, WHAT IS THIS I AM ON DISC FOUR AND CAN'T VISIT TOWNS
- ff09 - never played it. i regret this.
- ff10
pros - lulu, that wedding crap was pretty funny, blitzball
cons - ps2, too linear, sphere grid, blitzball
- 10-2
pros - playing dress-up with the girls
cons - ps2, everything else
- ff11
pros -
cons - mmorpg

didn't play anything after that so no comment

also chocobos are top tier
who doesn't love riding on birds

[Mike Weedmark]

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Ugh dat FF8 Disc 4 you really nailed the entirety of what's wrong with it. Great game, but ugh, really, was that necessary? What a buzzkill.

PS No one on earth played anything after FFXI. You can't play games that play themselves.

[Reincarnate]

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that one movie... er i mean summon

lmfao

- ff09 - never played it. i regret this.

Never too late to start! FFIX is worth playing IMO. It definitely has a "back to the roots" feeling in many ways. Lame-duck why-the-fsck-are-you-even-here final boss battle though.