TWG XVI Postgame

[Kefit]

Half the reason I sit out of games is because I don't have enough time to really put towards them.

The other reason is that I need the breaks. After a while these games become awefully repetitive, and often rather boring. The break helps it seem new again. So, for whatever it counts for (and I am fully aware that is little to nothing), I am in full support of taking a break of a few weeks.

I don't really see the point of the raffle though. This may have been the way to go back when signups filled in under two minutes, but nowadays we seem to have trouble getting enough people to be interested enough to join in the first place.

I've been saying that the banners have needed to dissappear for a long time, and I am glad that they are gone. Yay.

And opening up the games to more players will be a good move, provided there are any intelligent people left on this site who would actually be interested in joining in on this.

[blahblah18]

god you guys are completely and utterly wrong with your take on it. If there is an influx of players that want to play, let them all play. Why abolish jTWG? If there are 30 people that want to play, have 2 games, why make a lotto for which ones can play, that's retarded. Why also take a break from it, if people don't want to play, they won't, and games will start wen enough people sign up for them. Also, the reason that the game is getting boring again is because its been the exact same crap every time for a while now. go to the princeton mafia site and add some roles. I just don't want to host because i'd rather play., but there are a ton of great variations to expound upon. (Next person should do kingmaker and one of the other roles) Hell, I'd absolutely love to come up with a set of roles and rules for a game if someone else is willing to do the hosting.

To get around this problem, the best format is actuall this, for a game with all non-retards playing, which it has been recently.

Someone RNG's the roles at the beginning, game begins, and the 3rd party candidate announces the wolf pick for the kill... the person killed night 1 becomes moderator for the game. That's a simple alternative if people don't want to host because they'd rather play. But all the game really needs is a little spicing up, so start looking in the right direction and stop being misguided.

[stretchypanda]

The break is just a suggestion.

Anyone who wants to take it should take it.

Anyone who wants to keep playing should keep playing, by all means.

But, Blah, it's summer. We should all go outside and get sunburned or something, and come back actually interested in the game.

EDIT: Good job, Blah and LD, btw.

[mead1]

I have to say I agree with blah on a few points. jTWG is a really good idea. I know it may not bring in as many fresh faces as you guys like, but it does have an audience of it's own. The raffle format compounded with the lack of jTWG is even worse. This means that everyone from TWG, jTWG, and anyone who randomly stumbles upon this forum from critical thinking, will all be competing for the same 12-16 slots. This, is a bad idea.

I'm really sorry about the way this game ended. Everyone was just acting the way I normally do. The next game I play in (Which won't be for about 3 months, actually) I promise to not suck so much, and possibly come up with some original ideas. If I am unable to do that, I will atleast be more active on te forum and discuss more on AIM.

[lightdarkness]

I'd like to thank Talisman for figuring out TPS

I'd like to thank TPS for being obvious

I'd like to thank Tass for not making me paranoid

I'd like to thank myself for killing the guardian

I'd like to thank blah for being a kick ass partner this entire game

I'd like to thank Chardish for ending the game so I can concentrate on exams


lol, Tass had the game but didn't listen to himself

[flypie743]

I knew it was LD, both me and Tass had that feeling but there was no real real SOLID evidence to vote for you guys.

[lightdarkness]

I knew it was LD, both me and Tass had that feeling but there was no real real SOLID evidence to vote for you guys.

Thats where you guys messed up.

Tass was trying to get the guardian on his side as soon as he was "confirmed", then all the sudden you guys have the EXACT same mindset, at the exam same time (back to back posts)

Gave away your guardianism :'(

[flypie743]

Tass was trying to get the guardian on his side as soon as he was "confirmed", then all the sudden you guys have the EXACT same mindset, at the exam same time (back to back posts)

Well, I figured I would post SOMETHING because posting nothing was getting us nowhere

[lightdarkness]

but it got us everywhere

[talisman]

Meh... if I had been alive there would have been alot more activity. But props to tps for picking me out of the crowd day one. I guess my mistake was trying to start a chat (omg so wolfish! ....).

Anyway, the raffle idea sounds retarded, in my opinion. I got bored following this game (because no one posted in it) and started to read through jTWG... jesus. Some of them are ok (like danceguy, for example) but others are just like "whoa... he just voted, that's kind of suspicious. I think I'll vote for him. OMG something else happened! I'm voting for someone else now!"

As far as this game went, I thought we were dead once LD fell for the AP trap thing... I figured he was either telling the truth or trying to draw out the wolves by telling the truth, so I didn't vote for him. But it didn't occur to me to warn my fellow wolves not to either . Also I was gone for the entire end of that day. (Being gone also dicked me over day two... there's no way the knife in box would have happened if I had been around.)

For figuring out Tps... that was easy, but based on faulty assumptions at the time. For one, I thought ap had been seered night two, so that he was a confirmed human. Therefore it would be clear that the seer would vote to save him and kill me. As it is, because I was seered night two and ap was 90% human, the seer would STILL vote to save him and kill me, so most of my reasoning still made sense.

AP wasn't the seer because his trick entirely depended on him being green, a blue would never risk that. Nforcer, stretchy, and mead couldn't be the seer because they voted ap. flypie couldn't be the seer because she voted ld instead of trying to kill me and save ap. Obviously ld and blah weren't the seer. I ruled out snapps because... well I just ruled him out. That left kilga, tass, and tps. Kilga I thought was being too inactive, which means it was either tass or tps. Tass we couldn't risk attacking, so tps was the logical choice.

Btw tass, the reason you stayed alive so long was much less your new playing style and much more the fact that we couldn't risk attacking you, either by day or night.

And flypie, you made yourself really obvious that last day. Even I saw it immediately, and I was just watching at that point.

Anyway ld and blah, good job boys.

[dAnceguy117]

Sup guys. Didn't play in this TWG, of course, but somethin' I'd like to say. After this absolutely horrendous jTWG (it kinda died during day 2 or 3 or something), whether jTWG is abolished or not.. I have a feeling quite a few jTWG players will want to move up to TWG. I know I want to, Jake (hydrojakep) wants to, and then.. I think a couple others said they did, too. And this was even before the Mindfields mishap or anything.

Oh, and to comment on this TWG. All of the criticism from Chardish sounds awfully familiar, because that's what's been happening in jTWG since jTWG IV, only not nearly as bad XD Kind of a boring scenario since that's what I'm used to, after playing in 5 jTWGs (shudder. No, I'm serious.). Nice job to Talisman for picking out TPS, because honestly, that's what screwed the humans over. Not just because it's the seer, but had there been another special role alive, maybe the humans would've been more active. And good job to ld and blah, of course.

About the win-loss system, hate to repeat everyone else, but I think that's needed changing for a long time. I think that alone could make the next game all that much better.

[talisman]

Also... let's not forget that the reason this game was so inactive was due to who got taken out of it early...

blah, ld and I are all pretty decently active players (maybe blah not so much as of late), and we're of course going to target strong active players for our kills (hans and eb). The only really active people left who contributed stuff then were tass and ap, and ap got lynched and tass was trying to be quiet.

If the wolves had been, for example, flypie, mead, and snapps... there's no way they could have gotten rid of all the active people very early and the game would have, on a whole, been a lot more active.

in conclusion... before we start saying that this is the end of twg as we know it etc etc, consider that a lot of this game's inactivity was due to conspiring circumstances.

[Kilgamayan]

Also, the reason that the game is getting boring again is because its been the exact same crap every time for a while now. go to the princeton mafia site and add some roles. I just don't want to host because i'd rather play., but there are a ton of great variations to expound upon. (Next person should do kingmaker and one of the other roles) Hell, I'd absolutely love to come up with a set of roles and rules for a game if someone else is willing to do the hosting.

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But all the game really needs is a little spicing up, so start looking in the right direction and stop being misguided.

You missed chardish's point entirely.

That aside, I want to host Game 17, and it will not only see 8 of 16 people have non-green roles, but everyone will be given information mid-game. Hopefully this will cause the interest level to skyrocket.

(And I would rather it be the one final game before we immerse the jTWG folks into the regular game, if that's what we end up doing.)

[Tps222]

Tass, do you still have our aim conversations? I knew I was going to die after I realized the lack of substance in my votes. I wish I could have changed it, but I couldn't. My gut served me well this game. Wanting to seer LD night 3 was my first choice, but me and Tass decided on Stretchy, which was fine, played her last wolf game great. I agree on the phantom rule, and feel that we need a smaller player limit, 12 or 14. Rebalance it and everything, too many innactive and people just not caring, and the stretch for people to signup lately. I couldn't help my phantom on day 1, but I was active the whole game, and I really don't want to take a break.

[Omeganitros]

A GFG to LD, I never even thought of him being a wolf. Blah, however, crossed my mind more than a few times.



And yeah, I feel really bad about how the game turned out. Big pile 'o poo.