TWG V Postgame Analysis

[lightdarkness]

showing a screenshot isn't the easiest thing in the world to fake.. and its more the point that people are doing it.. gopening another account to check a PM.... come on man

I won't say how to fake it, but it's insanely easy.

Anyways, How can you prevent logging into someone else's account? Those are special circumstances, what happens if a brother and sister were playing, you could just walk in when they see their PM.

It's not like I am going into the database and seeing all of your PM's, not that would be low. But logging into another persons account, when you have the password? I guess that person needs to change their password.

[Tasselfoot]

i consider it precise espionage.

given access to a specific piece of information that can be easily accessed... i still don't see anything wrong with it.

[Kefit]

i consider it precise espionage.

given access to a specific piece of information that can be easily accessed... i still don't see anything wrong with it.

Again, bullshit.

It's cheating, and you know it. Stop trying to excuse yourself with retarded terms like "precise espionage." It's cheating. Let me say that one more time:

YOU CHEATED. SIMPLE AS THAT.

I suggest that for all future wolf games that any one who is caught cheating in any way whatsoever be booted from the game immediately.

Oh, and I also suggest that the whole idea of instalynch be removed. They tend to cause more trouble than they are worth.

[lightdarkness]

I agree that all cheaters caught should be booted from the game.

Tass's actions were insanely close, but I don't consider it cheating.

[Tasselfoot]

please show me in the rules where it says that i can't access someone else's PMs if i have access to it. thats right, it doesn't.

so, YOU may consider it cheating, but no where in the RULES (which i AM a stickler for) does it say that i can't.

now, if the rules are changed to make it so after this occurance, then so be it.

its like making fun of retarded people. you may feel that it is wrong, but its not against the rules (law), so i am free to do it if i so choose. if there was a law making it illegal to mock retards, then i wouldn't.


same with abortion.... YOU may feel its wrong. but its legal, so i can rape and scrape my babies as often as i'd like (or, well... Whorli can at my expense).

so with that said... stop being an uptight conservative ass and accept that i took advantage of a presented circumstance. loopholes, neglections, and the like are my closest friends.

[Kefit]

I agree that all cheaters caught should be booted from the game.

Tass's actions were insanely close, but I don't consider it cheating.

How could you possibly consider logging into someone else's account, let alone trading information about PMs in a means tantamount to taking a screen shot, as not cheating? Just because it can't be prevented doesn't mean that it isn' cheating. And just because the rules do not explicitly state that it cannot be done does not mean that it is exceptable. Guys, this is a game. Play with the spirit of the game, or you completely destroy it. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Really, the entirey of TWG V should have been called a misgame the second that Kilga heard about the PM incident with Tass and Chardish, with those two receiving some sort of fitting punishment. I can't say that I blame Kilga for not doing such, as that probably would have generated more whining than revealing it now.

[alainbryden]

New Rule: No player is to perform an action which gives themselves or any other player an unfair advantage or unassigned knowledge of other players.

THis implies:
-No hacking pm's.
-No giving away information in your pm in any way.
-Anything can still be said because even if the person trusts the other 99%, it is still not knowlege (absolute truth and certainty.)
now there's a peice of critical thinking for you.

[Kilgamayan]

Faking PMs is incredibly easy. I could fake a video of my PM if I wanted to.

Anyway, I only included roles in PMs to make the game the slightest bit more Red-Alert-ish. I honestly did not expect anyone to use them to try and catch wolves before the game even began.

For someone who's supposedly as good as you are, Tass, why would you resort to such a thing? There's no Critical Thinking involved in asking a wolf what the human PM looks like.

[Moogy]

Yeah, but how would you fake the ini?

[alainbryden]

And just because the rules do not explicitly state that it cannot be done does not mean that it is exceptable. Guys, this is a game. Play with the spirit of the game, or you completely destroy it. It's really not that hard of a concept to grasp.

Really, the entirey of TWG V should have been called a misgame the second that Kilga heard about the PM incident with Tass and Chardish, with those two receiving some sort of fitting punishment. I can't say that I blame Kilga for not doing such, as that probably would have generated more whining than revealing it now.

QFT

In the future, in addition to kicking someone out of the game for violating spoken or unspoken rules that make the game unjust or bias, they should no be allowed to register for the next game. This, hopefully, will prevent people from throwing hints when they were dead.

When we kicked chardish out of the game, I talked with him on aim to say I felt bad that he got kicked out, and was going to tell him what's been going on, but I hesitated, because I was afraid that, even though it was against the rules, that somehow, even information slipped to the dead, would make it's way to Tassel, so to cover my hesitation I pretended I was seer, and then the game got complicated as earlier described.

[roopert]

Tass, is all you care about in this game winning? It seems you will go to any length to win. Yes, you are a very smart person and know how to play the game well, yet if you are willing to actually look at someone else's PM, whether it be through a screen shot or being logged onto their accout you ruin the entire point of the game. Why even play the game in the first place? What is the point if you already know peoples' roles and know who to trust? Sure, you will most likely win the game, but who cares? The fact is, you don't actually win anything. (such as money or a prize) All you get is a new banner for you sig. The whole reason I, as well as almost everyone else, play this game is because it causes you to THINK. You can never 100% know who to trust. You have to use logic and gut instincts to figure it out, and that is the whole point. I don't play this game to win a new banner, (although I enjoy getting them because they represent how I've been successful in numerous games 100% legit by chance, luck, or both.) I play this game because it is fun, and it works your brain in a unique way. Sure, winning does make it more fun, but I would rather lose a really close and tough game than win an easy game by cheating.

Sorry if this sounds like a personal attack on you Tass, it's not just you. It's to everyone who has cheated or used an unfair advantage that ruins the game for everyone else. Especially the other team.

[Squeek]

please show me in the rules where it says that i can't access someone else's PMs if i have access to it. thats right, it doesn't.

so, YOU may consider it cheating, but no where in the RULES (which i AM a stickler for) does it say that i can't.

WHAT.

I had no idea it was that bad.

That's not just a boot from the game. That's grounds for de-modding.

Be glad I'm not a sysadmin or you'd be gone by now.

So, basically, you're saying it would be OK to hack Kilga's computer and steal his browser history in order to see who he sent PMs to? Or even steal the password to his AIM account and allow the people to PM you for the night?

You should be ejected from the game forever for this. I'm really angry to see that you stooped to this level to win a forum-based game.

And we all thought you were just really good at the game. Everyblody lost so much respect for you for that.

~Squeek

PS - I also vote that this game should be declared null.

Amendment: What's to prove whether or not Tass or anyone else has done this before? We obviously can't take their word on it.

[blahblah18]

Roopert said it perfectly...
I agree strongly and completely with every single thing he said there, and it is exactly how I feel about all this...
LD if you don't feel its cheating, then the game becomes "who can cut aroudn the rules best" instead of who can play best.. and no one's still mentioned the whole actually showing PM's...

and Tass wtf does this have to do with being an uptight conservative ass.. thats your excuse for everything In fact you know my opinion on all the "issues" and that shiet and know in fact I"m not an uptight conservative ass...so actually try and think before you say something, that'd be great. Esp since this has nothing to do with abortion or any of the other ridiculous stuff you mentione. Why try to cheat the system when you cna just paly the game

[roopert]

I see some of you are saying that the game should be declared null, well I don't agree with that. Yes, if I was a wolf I could see why you would want that. Infact, I really want to be a wolf one of these games and if I would have been a wolf this game I would have been pissed. However, don't punish the people who played this game honestly and legit like me and all the other humans who didn't cheat at all. Maybe just don't give a new banner out to the people who cheated, not everyone.

[Kilgamayan]

The thing is chardish makes the banners and he went around asking about PMs as well (he actually asked Guido, which is why I knew because Guido came to me not knowing what to do) so whatever he makes goes.