TWG 207: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

[T-Force]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

We can try to sway a jailer to pick who we want, but ultimately it is up to them. I don't think giving them that power is necessarily in our best interest.

[T-Force]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

I think you're missing the point that the jailer has a private chat and can also kill the target in the night. Town has 2 kill powers in theory even if the most likely scenario is that the jailed target is town and nothing happens.

There's even a scenario where they jail Millium and can technically know the entire setup after.

If it was just a regular jailer I would understand the lack of interest, but this game is different.

And I don't trust one person's opinion on who to jail versus the consensus of people voting.

[Lightknight924]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

Oh shoot guys I'm alive and here now! I ended up sleeping most of yesterday to catch up from overnights irl job...I have a lot of reading to do but I've skimmed a bit of the thread...need to catch up...will be around for end of day though at least.

[T-Force]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

I wanna pick your brain a sec -

Does Rean or Fie affect how you view this?

I'll also front-load why I ask: I think your thoughts are incomplete possibly.

No. I'd imagine Rean's ability is based off of a person they want to join; not a character.

Fie, based on how I understand that role, doesn't pro-long the death announcement, but just the flip.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

Haku the number of wolves there are never goes down of town doesn't kill anyone

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

I'm glad the jailer has options doing the night that help us solve

But town as a whole still has to come to consensus and letting one person do the work behind the scenes doesn't seem like the pro strat here

It actually is because town has plenty of PRs and keeping the game in the dark also keeps the game in the dark for scum which town heavily need right now.


By example, if nearly every player wants to insta one player except one town player that is completely right on the money. Chances are that this player is Millium and poof voilà, town loss the game. By not providing voting data and trends, scum is stuck kicking a player out of the game randomly and that's vital here.


I would tend to no lynch every phase because we don't have to deal with the votes from scum team. There's no bias to fight against.


What you're suggesting imo is only optimal after they kill the jailer, but right now it makes no sense. If I was scum, I would promote going for an insta and just misdirect town enough so they mislynch. It's easy here and fill two goals at same time. It solves the game faster for them and give them more data. This is literally a war of information.

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

I'm glad the jailer has options doing the night that help us solve

But town as a whole still has to come to consensus and letting one person do the work behind the scenes doesn't seem like the pro strat here

[Hakulyte]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

From a base pov, I can see where Haku is coming from just based on numbers alone.
3 wolves to 8 town is disadvantage in many ways, and also having our one-night vigi to begin with can basically make this game go from 3 to 8, to 3 to 5 and a MYLO situation *really* quickly; and that's not even counting our paranoid sword-wielder.

I do want to still vote, though, because voting is our power. If vigi doesn't shoot today, I think that's safer for town to ensure we don't lose on the next day, and shoots N2 while there's a better chance of hitting (if that makes sense).

I think you're missing the point that the jailer has a private chat and can also kill the target in the night. Town has 2 kill powers in theory even if the most likely scenario is that the jailed target is town and nothing happens.

There's even a scenario where they jail Millium and can technically know the entire setup after.

If it was just a regular jailer I would understand the lack of interest, but this game is different.

[XelNya]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

From a base pov, I can see where Haku is coming from just based on numbers alone.
3 wolves to 8 town is disadvantage in many ways, and also having our one-night vigi to begin with can basically make this game go from 3 to 8, to 3 to 5 and a MYLO situation *really* quickly; and that's not even counting our paranoid sword-wielder.

I do want to still vote, though, because voting is our power. If vigi doesn't shoot today, I think that's safer for town to ensure we don't lose on the next day, and shoots N2 while there's a better chance of hitting (if that makes sense).

I wanna pick your brain a sec -

Does Rean or Fie affect how you view this?

I'll also front-load why I ask: I think your thoughts are incomplete possibly.

[mellon_collie]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

I do want to still vote, though, because voting is our power. If vigi doesn't shoot today, I think that's safer for town to ensure we don't lose on the next day, and shoots N2 while there's a better chance of hitting (if that makes sense).

I agree with this take. Voting is power, and voting is also information for future phases. If we don't vote it is not going to get any easier to solve the game over time with night actions, as there are way too many variables and unknowns. IMO it will be hard to solve with just night actions alone

I try but I am a little confused cause everyone talk about anything so is hard to understand what is a clue and what is a everyday chatting

I usually struggle during D0, I think it's pretty normal to be confused at this point! Just try your best is all you can do

I hope Zenith and Lightknight show up

[Sourissette]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

Word, then you already know the basics of what we're trying to accomplish

In that case, what are your thoughts on the current state of the thread?

It's certainly different from playing in real life with people you've known for a long time! Especially since English isn't my first language. It's a bit more difficult to discern intonations and stuff.

I try but I am a little confused cause everyone talk about anything so is hard to understand what is a clue and what is a everyday chatting

I agree so much! (especially since I'm new to the community as a whole!) But from my understanding this is usual in a first phase?

Hey Sourissette

Hey!

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

Hey Sourissette

[MixMasterLar]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

Yeah, it gets easier to separate over time
But without the chatter you never get real momentum in the game, so you kind of need it

[T-Force]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

I try but I am a little confused cause everyone talk about anything so is hard to understand what is a clue and what is a everyday chatting

Figuring out what's a clue, and what's not, is part of the game. If it were clear, then half the fun would be gone.

[Dafty.Pixel]

Re: TWG 208: The Legend of Heroes: Trails of Cold Steel (side-episode) [GAME THREAD]

It's getting a little better for me

Have you read the last few pages? Any thoughts?

I try but I am a little confused cause everyone talk about anything so is hard to understand what is a clue and what is a everyday chatting