TWG CLXX Anything but Nekopara Game Thread

[Gradiant]

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Jk about to do another interview I'll devote the rest of the day to reading these chumps

cool, expecting it, work again today so i have to have a vote before i leave, not missing eod without a vote again

[Gradiant]

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no input other than you just saying 'null'? cool

[Wayward Vagabond]

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Jk about to do another interview I'll devote the rest of the day to reading these chumps

[Wayward Vagabond]

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I just did isos on both and I'm null on both of them sorry guys

[Gradiant]

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Regarding Mellon
*find that scummy

[Gradiant]

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Yeah read through your post right now. Will say I disagree about Mellon. Asking for pressure instead of actually doing work is shit and I find that a dummy.

Otherwise, I can agree with the sanzath / wv interaction. Another thing too is why wait until now to give more of those notes. Sanzaths activity hasn't been high and there's been periods where we wished he'd be in here doing shit; some if those notes would be been helpful for inputs-sake

[FreezinIce]

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Holy shit sanzath

yo check out my hot new mixtape too

aka my post

[FreezinIce]

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Not in real time

Mostly when I was caught up to thread, in the time between my posts, I would stay up to date on new posts on one half of my screen while scrolling along taking notes with the other half

I didn't bother rereading to take notes during nightphases, figured that it'd be for nothing if I were to die anyway

before i sleep, wtf is up with this wording??

It suggests you have multiple days worth of notes and you didnt take them during the night. yet you only have posted notes from early to mid d0.

i already touched on this in my iso, but you came to thread d1 and found out you weren't dead. By your own logic, you should have continued taking notes. why stop at some arbitrary point during d0? Was their only purpose to use them as a bludgeon against people for the rest of the game?

by your own admission, they were to be used to make connections and not be posted directly. to that end, dont you think having unupdated notes that only last for d0 defeats the purpose you intended for them?

im pissed off at this because ive seen what your trying to accomplish. As a town ive posted big posts before at eod and gotten cleared for them when i knew perfectly well that effort could easily be replicated as a wolf. ill be damned if you try pull that trick on me

[Gradiant]

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Another thing too is I never followed up on early opkiller x sanzath shit. They questioned me about it and would a newish player really want me to dig closer into them as a wolf or would they be happy to think I forgot about it and just leave it alone?

[Gradiant]

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Holy shit sanzath

[FreezinIce]

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going to start with sanz because hes try to make a move to make himself look better for f3 tomorrow in the likely event his partner wv goes down today. (which i actually found out might not matter and i'll explain why at the end)

theme of this post

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Alright, time to start the show

DAY 0

Based on past games, you should probably wolfread me if I'm still alive by then

Not strictly related to anything, but i couldnt resist bringing this up for the hilarious irony of the situation.

you're a jerk

fight me

Having never played with Yoshl before, he fell into the trap of picking a fight with him. Actually shook my head irl when i read this because me and everyone else reading who has ever played with Yoshl already knew how this was going to end. Not sure if he tried to pick a fight on purpose to get cleared by the players who see people fighting and declare it TvT. He was around in the game I played where I pointed out this strategy so this is likely.

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The next 15 posts are spent uselessly arguing with Yoshl over the semantics of shitposting
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I should probably be taking notes.

7/23 7:08PM.
First mention of the intent to take notes

This is his last post for the day.

<>10 Hours Later <>

Got two specific things I want to mention from while I was catching up to the thread.

Mentions catching up, the next 3 posts are him trying to catch charu in a contradiction.

same tbh

I think I understand what's going on

????????

Hints at some deeper understanding of what xiz was doing, but we all knew there was no method to the madness. And this was never explained. What was the point of doing this as town?

Still doing my reread & taking notes while keeping up with thread, this strikes me as kinda scummy, I guess it makes sense in the context of being unable to post a lot but I don't like it when people ask others to ask them questions

sorry cel

2nd mention of note taking while pinging cel.

>>> Insert asinine question towards OPKiller here that i will omit.

Manti, were you serious about this?

You got absolutely nothing out of those first 500 posts?

notable because WV immediately follows this up with a vote on manti.

mindmeld as fuck

In reference to WV's thoughts on OPkiller

Damnit wv, we've been bamboozled

This is probably why xiz called opk town



however that interaction (and that post specifically) felt really off

I'm starting to think w/w is a thing

3rd post in a row where wv and sanz are playing off of each other's posts.

since wv didn't understand the question

that's "i don't feel comfortable voting xiz, nor do i feel comfortable with xiz being lynched"

no reason for sanz to correct and answer a question directed at wv for him.

Maybe? When he posted his "I think I get you" @xiz I understood immediately what he was referring to and it made sense to me, until op started posting the way he did

I'm still rereading thread for notes and saw something interesting, and knew wv and I were on the same page on that subject so I pointed it out to him

in response to yoshl calling out sanz for sheeping off of wv. a bit of back pedaling from his earlier stance.

3rd time notes are mentioned

read the setup

I'll probably explain personally later in the game if I'm still alive by then

really crappy and vague fake blue soft. He knows he wont be nightkilled so he's probably trying to stand out to a vigi whos rereading the thread looking for a shooting target. Nothing concrete that he could be called out on, but just enough to plant a seed of doubt.

anyway tbh the little I've seen from manti feels pretty gross, but xiz is probably a good lynch too

leaving his options open, and going along with the crowd without providing his own reasoning.

I'm pretty sure this is wrong, at least I'm fairly certain this isn't what wv was going for

Sanz keeps answering for WV its almost comical.

>>> His next 2 posts are berating roundbox for his posting style, ending with this:

oh my fucking god

I swear to god if what I'm thinking is true, fuck you roundbox

anyway vote is still on manti I guess

He never clarifies if this is the post where he finds out roundbox's gimmick, or if he was just hinting at MyStErY kNoWlEdGe.

My biggest gripe is probably how you read 500 posts of the thread and got absolutely no data you could use, and have no opinions or anything (which is wolfy on its own imo, and saying it out loud doesn't make it less wolfy)

whereas I'm sitting on a giant fucking pile of notes

4th time notes are mentioned. I'll take the opportunity to call bullshit on your "notes." as an artifice you used to fake your investment in the game. The amount of original material in your notes is actually pretty low, and most of your "comments" are one-liners, quick quips, or ????????. The lions share is just directly transcribed information from the thread. Furthermore, your investment sharply drops off after d0, as if you had "taking notes" on a checklist of things you would do to get towncred, then once you were done with it for d0 you decided it wasn't worth the trouble to continue as they essentially served their purpose.

This is the last post for d0

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DAY 1

>>> First post is mentioning roundbox's gimmick and how he figured it out. I'm omitting this post to save room and because its big and pointless to repost. Have a golf clap dude. Townreading roundbox for it but doesnt commit, just says he's "leaning town".

I've done enough accidental dumbtells as town that I think that would be something I'd try as wolf >

outs himself with some wifom to pick up some townpoints with a few people

to be fair, I don't know for opk but in my case it's probably that I've played few enough games that I still have a memory for individual posts

Anyway now that you're back to posting instead of RPing as your past self, I don't really have any reason to townlean you anymore

wierd post. roundbox stops shitposting and starts contributing, and sanz uses this as an excuse to reset his read on him back to null. makes no sense at all, and highlights the absurdity of the whole premise sanz had.

Oh yeah, gonna get this out of the way too before going to bed

Since Xiz flipped VT, this is obviously wrong, but it was my thought process and I'm 100% certain it was WV's too





WV's post made me look back at what Xiz said, the way he worded it with such confidence made me think Xiz/Opk rolled Mason together - and the way WV responded made me thing this was his conclusion too

Obviously posting bluereads is bad so I didn't want to go into specifics about what I thought was happening, so I mostly just hinted that I thought I knew what was happening

But then Opk went and posted this





Which made me realize it was probably wrong, because if it was right then opkiller wouldn't be so goddamn confused on the matter



^Further indication that I was mindmelding like fuck with WV - at least for the first part -, and fuck me if it looks like I'm sheeping (or pocketing??) WV super hard

A little later after I'd basically dismissed the theory due to Opk's reactions, while doing my reread, I saw the post that was likely the actual reason for Xiz reading Opk as town with such confidence



... Which I posted, specifically @WV because I was certain we had the same thought process on the entire thing and I figured he might be interested in the post as well

Which then led to Yoshl calling me a sheep and you claiming I was pocketing WV, rip

Anyway I'm posting this now mostly for opkiller's benefit since he was super confused on WV's thought process (although I think dbp and charu were confused too), and I guess to make it clear exactly where I was coming from with some of my cryptic posts near eod

garbage post where he posts an failed theory supposedly to help benefit opkiller.

THIS POST IS IMPORTANT.

It tells me that sanz is willing to make big posts with irrelevant information in order to look better. Something he does again when he posts the notes hes been referencing all game at the end of the game when he is in the most need of boosting his town credibility.

How do you know what he was thinking when he posted??

pretty rich considering you've spent a chunk of time answering WV's questions for him

how hard you were were pushing on WV for something that I thought was obvious from the get-go, and how hard of a time you were having understanding what WV was trying to explain

To quote blind, I felt like that conversation went in a circle tbh

more unsolicited defense of WV. convo was @roundbox

oh

oooooohhhhh

GOOD point

charu tells sanz that he derped. This post directly leads to...

since you're here charu bird



is this still a thing and is it still for the same reason?

context is sanz asking charu about his townread on him. comes from nowhere and is jarring like a roommates alarm clock going off at 4am

welp

I won't change a winning formula

raeko's scummy, sorry raeko

sanz probably thought this was a sick bit of pressure but he doesnt have the play history with raeko that i do, and doesnt know that shes done this before (request pressure) as town. she has trouble staying invested in the game that is not alignment indicative.

Do you think so?



I mean this was probably a shitpost, but it makes me think anti-town blind would lead a ML on manti rather than use a NK on him

sick misdirection bro

for reference

(I had that post in my notes)

5th time notes are brought up.

Oh hey Freezin's in? Rip raeko

Don't mind me, I'm catching up right now

i think you've used the catching up line for the....3rd time? 4th time? ive lost count.

I'd like to know why you think Blind would absolutely have NK'd Manti if he was wolf

I mean, remember he has to make that decision with 1-2 other wolves

this is so meta its scary

I don't see where the fear would come from, although admittedly my notes only go up to post ~900 right now and EOD was around 1000

Lemme go reread those 100 posts

verbage that expresses an intent to continue writing notes past 900~ is in bold.
6th time notes are brought up.

>>> The next 4 posts are just unrelated discussion on tinfoiling. The theory he proposed includes blind though so ill include it below

speaking of which, most of my tinfoils are about the wrong colour

Here's a red tinfoil though -
Blind and dbp had essentially 0 interactions d0, besides blind reading dbp as town for meta reasons, and then dbp reading blind as town because of his readslist

Kinda weird how the very first thing they had to say about each other was "hey this guy looks town"

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wolves aren't being obvious enough right now

this has nothing to do with sanz being a wolf but it still makes me laugh.

Charu, how do you feel about this?

More specifically, how do you feel about opk barely trying to pick a fight with you and then just gtfo'ing forever

nice little bit of shade throwing from sanz.

Nobody has said I'm wrong, I'm probably right, I'll roll with that



Charu - I'm having a hard time deciding if he's towny or scummy, so, maybe?
I haven't taken much time to look at Freezin, but I did think raeko was kinda scummy so
WV I'm leaving off the table right now because of our mindmelds yesterday + his reactions seem genuine to me
Manti, was scummy d0 but not so sure anymore, I'll have to iso this
op - I feel like opk/charu might be a thing right now actually, nightkill me if I'm wrong please

this list is trash, the only solid read here is wv which to the surprise of nobody is towny

I'll go for what my gut's telling me to do, I guess

charu

the origin of the charu mislynch is right here. he called manti scummy but makes a new wagon instead of joining the manti wagon that was against blind. he probably figured since blind was going to counterclaim, manti was likely going to be the one to die and didnt want to be on that wagon. little did he know that charu would get blown up instead.

night action???

i remember someone calling this towny. I call it wifom at best to think that, scummy at worst because it looks scripted since daychat is a thing

and thats it for day 1

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DAY 2

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Doesnt enter the thread till almost 3 days after the end of day 1.
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as much as i didnt want to blow my load before i was completely done, i have other stuff i have to do. So ill post this, then later i will finish this iso, respond to whatever sanz managed to dig up, then do wv.

the nugget that i alluded to will be put in the next part of this iso for those curious. its not as major as what i found out about dbp but i'd say its pretty gamechanging and would go a long way explaining some of dbp's behavior today.

[sanzath]

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finishing my post because it was not done

Oh, right, this

freezin actually forgetting to finish his read on blind in his reads list, lmao

[sanzath]

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big post warning

Sup nerds

I'm pretty much caught up thread wise.

Activity is going to be a bit spotty today but I should have a nice big chunk of time tomorrow to work with.

manti is where I'm at atm.

Vibes of his last game stood out more than everything else.

> Complete lack of presence d0 and really only came around when he was in danger of dying

> A detachment from events, doesn't look like he wants to solve anyone, more like he's finding what he wants to see and checking off boxes

> As an extension of that point, his latest push on blind feels disingenuous, I have trouble seeing what your seeing from them.

Big response cause I'm going to be away for a bit. I'll be back to try to construct a reads list but just wanted to get that out because I was thinking that all game while I was spectating

First post from freezin. While the manti vote wasn't bad by any means at the time, you have to be careful because he just went from spectating in a town-trying-to-find-wolves mindset to wolf-trying-to-look-towny mindset, and this is probably the purest post he has

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4574031&postcount=1504

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4574041&postcount=1512

http://www.flashflashrevolution.com/vbz/showpost.php?p=4574052&postcount=1518

"I feel like blind's not actually helping town right now, but here, let me defend him instead"

Shitty reads list because I'm up against the clock again:

Charu: was town thru most of my time spectating, but his transition from assured and some what confident to unsure and confused so rapidly kind of threw me off. Would appreciate someone with more Charu play xp weighing in on what this could possibly mean.

Sanz: your play so far hasn't really told me a whole lot, and I'm going to iso you after work but you seem to be coasting a bit? Null with potential to tend down pending a reread.

Roundbox: like what I've seen so far but I'd like more especially in regards to your progression on blind. Town lean

Gradiant: town. I've learned to accept that he plays farther back than I would expect some times but how pressure game is on point.

Dbp: Was strong town up til today on my spectating. I'm honestly on the lookout for possible coasting from what I've learned from our wolf game together. Still a town lean atm.

WV: nothing I've seen looks different from your other town games with the exception of the indecision near last eod that I'll chalk up to nerves and inexperience. Would like to see more to make me feel better about this read. Town lean.

Op: I honestly expected more. You seem to be playing pretty tenatively and its making it hard to read you. Null

Blind: already aired a lot of my thought's about him. Mostly a tone read that places him at null trending towards town at worst. If Manti flips wolf he goes to heavily town in my eyes. I don't think they could ever be partners (though I've been burned thinking that before with Manti and lar but that's where I'm at atm).

Everybody's town except opk, myself and manti (who's not in the readslist because freezin already voted for manti). 3 towns. Nice.

Additionally, I don't think I ever got to see Freezin iso me? I guess now's the right time for him to keep his word

Yes

More defending blind

Cooworkers looking at me funny cause I'm staring at my phone laughing

This doesn't particularly help my case on him, but freezin, I appreciate that you could find humour in my post despite you being a wolf :^)

could u fuking not

Vote between blind and Manti at this point please

Pushing me to vote between a town and a wolf who he already knows is going to fakeclaim, so either way blind is safe despite freezin's insistence

so what was the deal with the double cross you pulled on charu at eod

First post into d2, immediately scumleaning rbox. Blind posts that rbox is his top wolf in the next minute, followed by:

suspicion tier list

tier 1: op / sanz / wv

tier 2: rbx

tier 3: dbp

tier not on the table: gradient / blind

This along with blind's iso on me shows a premeditated plan to have either myself or rbox lynched in the phase. wv is up there probably in case a bus needs to happen.

@ op - explain where you were at eod and your charu vote. gonna iso to see if you weighed in on manti/blind at all but if not explain that too

Different target, but once again, where's the iso?

Wagon analysis

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Manti (2)- Freezin, blind
Freezin (1)- WV
Charu (5)- Op, Sanzath, DBP, Gradiant, round
WV (2)- Manti, Charu

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Charu's wagon is a massive question mark. Since the top 2 wagons were actually town its hard to say how many wolves are on it. I dont think 3 pile on ever so 1-2 is a safe bet.

ATM this pretty much just reinforces my main suspicions of OP, Sanz, round and WV.

Let me fix those colours

Manti (2)- Freezin, blind
Freezin (1)- WV
Charu (5)- Op, Sanzath, DBP, Gradiant, round
WV (2)- Manti, Charu

Yeah that eod sucked, and the fallout was going to be controlled really well by freezin and blind here, until dbp CC'd. Freezin claiming there were 1-2 wolves on charu was indeed a safe bet, for the wolves ofc.

Can you respond to my post and give me your take on eod. You ignored me and I kind of hate that tbh.

What do you think about charu wagon.

Can you give me updated reads for today.

What was your reason for flopping on charu after blind claimed and not someone else

Also gonna mention I don't really like your verbage of late

This sounds gross. Like I get that he's town and should lead but the tone of this post is offputting considering how proactive you usually are at solving the game

Freezin was looking ready to start a wagon on dbp, before he started catching on that dbp was going to CC

Don't flatter yourself brah, i wouldn't need wolf chat to explain my own pov. Nobody is even up at 1am in the morning anyways

🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I think I've just entered the slipzone

Actually haven't felt this pleased with myself in a long time

This plus everything afterwards about finding out what dbp had been hinting at is annoyingly convincing, but dbp is correct that there would have been no gameplay reason to do that much research instead of waiting it out if freezin wasn't a wolf

close, but no cigar i guess

Freezin knew the CC had to come from a vigi, since he knew that n1, the wolves killed yoshl and cel couldn't have killed himself. Therefore, he intentionally put in that dumbtell about dbp claiming an investigation role to not be too close to the truth of the matter. See:

So because you killed like Erika in that one umineko work that i forget the name of, you couldnt claim detective.

its amazing, i actually read that rule AND that instance, but didnt make the connection and passed it up

Remembers both the rule and the specific instance, and is able to make the connection, but apparently only after dbp makes his claim

These 3 posts near eod yesterday are the only ones imo that hint at some kind of hidden knowledge.

You have the dichotomy of his read versus his check. He doesnt think blind is a wolf but against his check (manti) he will vote him. The last quote is what really brings this particular statement into focus for me

I think freezin shoots manti after charu flips cop, if he believes manti otherwise becomes a confirmed town due to being charu's check. Of course the implication is that freezin made the deduction during the night, prior to dbp wondering who charu's peek was.

final reads list atm is fairly similar to dbp, top 3 scumleans are wv op and sanz. going to try to list the things different criteria than normal to help me think and also because i feel slightly inspired by umineko

I can see this being true, but I also see an appeal to dbp here

It's getting really late so I'm going to stop here for tonight. My next thing to look at is the actual reads in the last quote in that spoiler there, and then everything after

[sanzath]

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I know this is a dead subject and completely unimportant but I feel happy for seeing this

seriously, because your start of day logic indicates that you'd be looking into the following people:

Charu (1)- roundbox
Manti (4)- blind, Sanzath
Not Voting: Mellon

how's that going for you?

It's going great, thx 4 asking

Might be a stretch, but 4 = manti, charu's cop peek?

Still doing freezin iso btw, close to done

[sanzath]

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cute

when exactly did you write those notes? During the day in real time? At the end of the day?

Not in real time

Mostly when I was caught up to thread, in the time between my posts, I would stay up to date on new posts on one half of my screen while scrolling along taking notes with the other half

I didn't bother rereading to take notes during nightphases, figured that it'd be for nothing if I were to die anyway